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Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:31 AM
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Mickey thinks it’s going to be Streeter if Elliot leaves at OC. So promoting from within. I’d say he knows what he’s talking about considering he has sources from inside the program. This is disappointing to hear as I was looking forward to a fresh start on offense after the disaster of 2021.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:33 AM
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Based upon what we saw from Street in the LSU debacle as well as developmental issues with DJU, I hope that's not the case.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:48 AM
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It's hard to hold Ohio State against him with such short notice and basically taking over the game plan of someone else. I'm not saying he'll be great as OC but it's hard for me to use the Ohio State game as evidence of how he'd perform full time.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 3:53 PM
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It's hard to hold Ohio State against him when we had 444 yards, QB threw for 400 yards and had 3 td and we scored 28 points. Streeter was not the problem in that game. Defense was.
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Who developed Waton and Lawrence***
Dec 9, 2021, 11:00 AM
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Re: Who developed Waton and Lawrence***
Dec 9, 2021, 12:03 PM
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They wasn’t Developed, that is what you call “natural talent”.
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Lutz. No coaching help at all? Real world is
Dec 10, 2021, 11:40 AM
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calling.
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Re: Who developed Waton and Lawrence***
Dec 10, 2021, 11:02 AM
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Didn't they have they employ their own qb coaches in the off season? Plyler seems to be an extension of the staff, a press secretary if you will; I can hear it in his voice and his words as he vehemently defends moves like Streeter to OC before they happen. FTR, I hope it's not Streeter. He was OC at Richmond for a short time before he arrived. Would he have been hired by Clemson if he were not a former player here. I have my doubts.
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Re: Who developed Waton and Lawrence***
Dec 10, 2021, 12:01 PM
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I think you nailed it. Love Mickey, but he seems to obediently follow the narrative. Whatever it may be. And laughs at those when question things in any way. I just don’t see how recruits could be excited about Streeter or Conn. But TBH I’m not nearly as worried about the defense as I am the offense.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 3:52 PM
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Streeter was not OC for the LSU game.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:34 AM
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yep you are all in all 36%.
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Good observation.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:07 AM
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Tell em, coot!***
Dec 9, 2021, 8:34 AM
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:35 AM
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Just say no to Streeter....not the answer as a OC at Clemson.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 10, 2021, 12:32 PM
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If Dabo names Kathleen I am backing it. He has accomplished things with this program that I didn’t think were possible. He got us here and he will get us back. He has earned our trust.
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you don't need "sources from inside the program"............
Dec 9, 2021, 8:36 AM
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to know that Streeter will be the next OC............that's been pretty obvious for a while.
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Re: you don't need "sources from inside the program"............
Dec 9, 2021, 8:37 AM
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I freaking hope not. If so, expect much of the same.
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i agree..........but it's pretty obvious....
Dec 9, 2021, 8:40 AM
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it's Dabo's MO now that his "outside" hires got his program to this level. he now assumes we're just a "next man up"/plug & play staff.
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Keep in mind - 10 years ago he didn't have a long-tenured
Dec 9, 2021, 8:43 AM
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staff, so he had to make outside hires.
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Re: i agree..........but it's pretty obvious....
Dec 10, 2021, 10:21 AM
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Lord knows I hope Dabo hasn’t fallen to that level of Coaching ideology. Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban need to have a come to Jesus with our Coach on the dangers of promoting from within. Promote once, you get away with it, to promote twice as he did after Scott left, the offense went down hill. You promote a third time, you better have an escape plan in place in case your offense starts out the same as it did this year, and an OC w/Staff ready to go, come in and quickly perform a miracle. Go get Joe Brady!, and quit fooling with this inside promoting crap. We need an OC!
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:38 AM
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9-3. What a disaster
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:44 AM
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Streeter and Kyle Richardson. Richardson will be promoted into Streeter's current role as a game plan developer, co-coordinator, etc...He had some dynamic air raid offenses in his dominant high school days.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:51 AM
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Right, in high school. Well this ain’t high school, it’s big time football and we can’t screw the pooch on this. If so, expect 2021 results moving toward.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 10, 2021, 11:29 AM
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Well, Morris was only a year or two removed from HS football when we took him. He was at Tulsa only very briefly, and look how he transformed our offense.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 10, 2021, 1:04 PM
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I was thinking the same thing...
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9-3 with top 10 recruiting class talent in an ACC where
Dec 9, 2021, 8:57 AM
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Wake and Pitt drove the bus. I think we all know thats not close to where we should've been with the team we have. I'll also say 9-3 was overachieving which credit for that goes to Dabo and the defensive coaches/players who took ownership of November.
The more we look in disarray the less and less we'll get those Top 10 recruiting classes. 9 TDs in any entire season at the QB position is dreadful. If this offensive staff couldn't get more out of DJ than than then we gotta hope we're going outside the box for our offense next year. Because that ain't cutting it. SC State could've done better than that in the ACC.
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Not only that, but also no other QBs on the roster who could help.
Dec 9, 2021, 3:53 PM
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Phommachanh was never given any real opportunity in games, nor was the guy behind him (who was a walk-on).
It would seem that an elite program such as ours should have at least two QBs who can come in and run our offense with some modicum of success. It doesn’t speak very highly of our offensive coaches since we didn’t have that.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Streeter is a lazy hire. Go outside and reach higher.
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Yes, with top 5 talent.***
Dec 9, 2021, 3:50 PM
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Winning percentages...
Dec 9, 2021, 4:54 PM
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Dabo Swinney: .809
Nick Saban: .800
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Winning percentages (continued)…
Dec 9, 2021, 4:59 PM
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2021:
Nick Saban .923
Dabo Swinney .750
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Dabo must have really built quite a lead over the years..
Dec 9, 2021, 5:00 PM
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thank goodness he's our coach.
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Well yes, we should all be very glad that Dabo is our coach.
Dec 9, 2021, 5:27 PM
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Any semblance of objectivity tells us that this season has not been Dabo & Co.’s best work.
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Or maybe it’s been his best work yet.
Dec 9, 2021, 5:30 PM
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No way for you or me to know at this point, if we’re being truly objective.
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Re: Winning percentages (continued)…
Dec 10, 2021, 12:59 PM
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2021:
Nick Saban .923
Dabo Swinney .750
People on TNet giving their .02…
.000 winning percentage
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I'd rather get someone from the outside at OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:52 AM
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but Dabo has more than earned the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: I'd rather get someone from the outside at OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:55 AM
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100% agree. Trust in Dabo. He has earned it.
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Re: I'd rather get someone from the outside at OC
Dec 9, 2021, 5:09 PM
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The critics on here don’t seem to remember all the ten win season. All the ACC championships. The two nattys. Dabo is the #2 rated coach in college football behind Saban. Give the man time. Everything will be ok. He is a proven winner.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:55 AM
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Pretty sure that has been the plan for awhile. I would not expect more of the same. I believe Streeter will run a more dynamic offense, not as conservative as TE. When Dabo was promoted from within to take T Bowden's place was it more of the same? No, different person with different personality.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 8:57 AM
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No Elliott, No Streeter, then tell us who is the outside coach that will be a absolutely guaranteed, 100%, sure fire OC that will have such a big impact on Dabo's Tigers? Funny how the Tigers didn't win a NC until the OCs were developed and promoted from within. Think about it.
We've seen what happens 1-1/2 hours to the east (Cooterville) and 1-1/2 hours to the south (Dawg Town) when the OC is a revolving door. Go back to Cooterville!
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Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 8:59 AM
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:02 AM
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Brady has already stated he does not like or want to recruit. How's that going to work at CU. Next?
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If I’m not mistaken…
Dec 9, 2021, 9:10 AM
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The NCAA limits the number of coaches that can be on the road recruiting. If he doesn’t want to be on the road all the time, let him stay home and dream up brilliant offensive plays, while some of the other guys are out there. Then let him step in when needed to land the next DW4 or TL.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:11 AM
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Plus Brady would likely only be a 1 or 2 year rental. Also, his name is so big because of the great year at LSU, but that's a lot of credit for one single season when you had the #1 overall pick at receiver, a 1st round pick at running back, two 1st round picks at receiver, and a 2nd round pick at receiver. That's especially a lot of credit when I believe he was just a CO-OC.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:12 AM
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#1 overall pick at QB, not receiver.
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valid points but he knows how to use talent.. that offense
Dec 9, 2021, 10:19 AM
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had great players no doubt, but they don't just draw it up on their hand and run a play. Someone puts them in the right situation and the right scheme and the great players pick it up and run with it. Its unbelievable that you would think the guy is trash b/c he had good players. Do you really think he's clueless?
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what makes you say he isn't? 1 data point?***
Dec 9, 2021, 10:35 AM
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pretty substantial data point if you want to consider it
Dec 9, 2021, 11:25 AM
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as "1" data point. I would say its 15 data points. 15-0 is pretty good. Does being a mediocre OC for 15 years better prepare you than 1 year doing it without blemish? I guess its a semantics thing but i'd choose a guy that proved he could put together a perfect season and put up ungodly numbers with QB that the year before was just a little better than mediocre. Rob Spence had alot of offensive experience before Clemson too..
Either way.. joe Brady probably ain't even thought of Clemson but the question was who's the no-brainer candidate out there.. and in general Joe Brady is on that list. But he's probably looking for a BAMA or a low level Head Coaching job.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:15 AM
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I'll also add that I find it interesting how so many fans hate on Elliott and saying all the great offensive numbers we put up before this year were due to all the talent we had on offense, but then give someone like Brady so much credit for the one year at LSU when his offense was loaded with NFL talent. That one year btw is literally the only year Brady has been an OC in college. I know the NFL is a different animal but he lasted less than 2 years there before getting fired.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:22 AM
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I think Brady and a number of others should AT THE VERY LEAST get a phone call/interview. I think it's doing the program a disservice to not "entertain" other options............if in the end Dabo decides Streeter for OC and Goodwin for DC then go for it, but to not even entertain/talk to/interview ALL OPTIONS is not serving your program.
btw.....I don't judge ANY COACH OR PLAYER on how they perform in the NFL.......it's a completely different game.
I'd take Tebow or vince young on my college team any day of the week, but never in the NFL
same can be said of the success comparison for saban, spurrier, etc....
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Bingo clemson2003! One year experience at LSU and he's the greatest OC to ever coach College football. No one heard of him before then and now he has been fired in less than 2 years at his 2nd OC job.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 10, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Come on it was the NFL, and let’s be honest, in the NFL you gotta be a little bit more flexible with the play calling than you do in College. Plus, the speed of the NFL is faster, so you have to have the ability to engineer the development of your offensive schemes faster and develop faster on the field. College you’re more so teaching that at a much more easier pace. So for Joe Brady, yeah the NFL was a set back, but look at most Coach’s who go pro, hot in college and cold in NFL, but once back in College they are red hot again. I would definitely hire Joe Brady!
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 10, 2021, 12:20 PM
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Actually was passing game coordinator at LSU. Ensminger was OC
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:13 AM
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You have proven in this thread that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 9, 2021, 9:19 AM
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I like the idea of Kyle Richardson developing the passing game and Streeter integrating his game in as well. I'd like to see more of these 2 back sets to go with Richardsons air raid style.
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You're right Joe Brady has no clue how to run an offense
Dec 9, 2021, 10:15 AM
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and was a total poser, my mistake. Gotta love a comment from another know-it-all.
All i said was he's a no brainer if he wanted a job as a college football OC. Led one of the best offenses we've ever seen in college football. Knows how to use talent. If we keep getting talent he would be able to fit the pieces together to create a winning package.. Now..with that said, does his personality and personal goals fit with what Dabo envisions..different story and that.. nobody knows.
But he's a no-brainer as an offensive coordinator, open and shut. If you think he isn't then you haven't as much of a "clue" as you think you do.
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i gott agree. i don't think you have all the info on Brady
Dec 9, 2021, 10:37 AM
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It is all Joe Burrow in your mind
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Joe Burrow was an average QB before Joe Brady. So nah...***
Dec 9, 2021, 11:26 AM
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so yes.. your opinion is based on 1 data point.
Dec 9, 2021, 11:52 AM
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LSU was 10-3 in 2018. Burrow was 30th in total passing yards . LSu was undefeated and won a NC in 2019 . Burrow moved to #1 in total yards. Brady was NOT the OC in 2018 or 2019.
in 2019 LSU had 13 seniors and like 40 juniors. per Hillrocktiger:
NFL - starter at QB.
Two NFL caliber RB's.
5 NFL WR's including two who will likely be Pro-Bowlers along with the QB.
a NFL TE
All but one of the OL went to the NFL and are starters
but that was all Brady in your mind?
Wake forest almost won the conference this year and finished 12th in the Nation in total offense with a bunch of nobodies. Sam Hartman finished 7th in total yards. Are you not this passionate about Warren Ruggiero?
People knock Elliot because he needs a Lawrence or Watson.. What has Brady done without Brees and Burrow?
The North Carolina Panthers are 29th in total Offense under Brady... even worse than Detroit. When you hear any one say " ______ is worse than Detroit;" it is usually a bad thing.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 10, 2021, 10:34 AM
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I’m all for Joe Brady, in fact Joe Brady will likely bring in most of his Offensive Staff from LSU. As for DJ, it’s the bench, Brady takes one look at DJ’s film, it will be Cade’s job come January. Helms and Wilds will likely be 2/3, DJ at 4/transfer. No brainer we need Joe Brady, 110% agree.
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Re: Brady is a no doubter.***
Dec 10, 2021, 12:18 PM
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You mean the guy who got fired as OC from his last job?
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 10, 2021, 12:56 PM
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Snipe Zach Kittley from Texas Tech, he had Western kentucky on high octane last couple of years
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he is also Pickens Country resident expert on lightning***
Dec 9, 2021, 10:34 AM
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Re: he is also Pickens Country resident expert on lightning***
Dec 9, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Joe Brady was not the OC for LSU. He was the passing game guy. Steve Ensminger was their OC.
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Joe Brady
Dec 9, 2021, 11:02 AM
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Don't know Joe Brady or have any strong opinion. At or near the end of the NFL season there will be multiple teams near the bottom that will have sweeping overhauls and with lots of quality coaches fired just because their in the wrong place at the wrong time. Could we possibly just evaluate this group of high level coaches to see if anyone out of the group might be a fit and bring some new ideas into the program? As a fallback we can get almost any up and comer within reason out of D1. Take all those candidates and compare them to what we have in house. Choose the best candidate. There's no hurry, we need him sometime before spring practice as Dabo can handle this recruiting class and we have interim guys for a meaningless bowl. Go Tigers.
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Re: he is also Pickens Country resident expert on lightning***
Dec 10, 2021, 10:51 AM
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Well then let’s bring in both those guys, and let them get to work on building a New Chapter and Dynasty run for the Clemson Tigers ?? Program. Heck it’s a winning combination with Steve Ensminger and Joe Brady, then we can truly say watch out CFP cause here comes the Tigers!
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Streeter
Dec 9, 2021, 11:51 AM
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So I’m in agreement that it wouldn’t be an “exciting” hire but on the other side of these arguments, who says that it’s going to be the same offense … who knows if he wants to change it up or has a completely more dynamic idea for the offense moving forward? He was a qb coach not OC… the LSU game cannot be used against him it was the day before and had to piece together elliots plan over night and roll with it… again don’t love it but I also know Dabo is gonna do what’s best and said he would fix it so who are we to assume that streeter would be any where close tot he same play caller as Elliot , no one knows what he has planned … like mentioned before that’s like saying Dabo was gonna be the same as Bowden … bc he was on the staff
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 11:51 AM
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You never know Streeter might be the next new big name OC.
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 9, 2021, 3:53 PM
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You still have no clue what went on with our offense in 2021
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Re: Plyler on OC
Dec 10, 2021, 10:11 AM
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Dabo needs to bring in a New OC, the promotion from within should be on the defensive side. If Dabo wants to see this offense get better, he needs to clean house on the offensive side of the ball. Now, I would say keep CJ at RB Coach, but as for the rest thanks for all you did, but you got to go! There is plenty of OC’s out there who can revamp this offense to being what it was under Morris and Scott. No, I fully disagree with Mickey Plyler and his sources. There needs to be a complete change on the offensive side of the ball.
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funny. my source from inside the program said it would be
Dec 10, 2021, 11:48 AM
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someone from the outside.
got a 50/50 shot at being right, I guess. I just don't have radio listeners riding on being right or wrong.
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