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What can we do as a society to stop psychos

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May 25, 2022, 9:03 AM
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from shooting people when our ultimate deterrent (death penalty) has no effect anymore?

I believe every single mass shooter fully expects to die alongside their victims. Why would they care about the death penalty?

What can we do? What are we willing to do?

Feeling sort of lost today.

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Stop letting idiots reproduce,

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May 25, 2022, 9:06 AM
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make parents accountable, reduce the glamour of violence as a society, teach children right from wrong, like we used to, listen to our children, and stop making excuses for them.

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May 25, 2022, 9:30 AM
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It would seem simple....

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May 25, 2022, 10:08 AM
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If kids are raised the way that I was raised by being taught there is pain in punishment for doing what I knew was wrong, and that punishment wasn't an idle threat, it was fact. If parents raised their kids that way today, they will be put in jail for teaching their kids there is pain in punishment. Kids these days aren't being taught fear of punishment, and they just do what they feel like doing. But after they become adults, law enforcement has to be the ones to teach that punishment isn't comfortable, or painless, and usually the close family members, mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters has to suffer the loss of their family member bc, they are locked away in prison for years, and it's bc they were never taught to fear punishment for their wrong doings!!!!!!!!!!

Most all Christians believe in what the Bible, but in this day and times, Christian parents over look the part that says, spare the rod, spoil the child. In todays society the Rod has been spared much to often, and at some time in our lives in todays society, we all are going to suffer bc the rod is spared all the time in most cases while raising our children. I would bet my life, my two kids will never be arrested for taking a life, or for doing anything that would put them in prison, yes I will bet my life on that, and it's bc they were taught right from wrong, and if there was ever a time they had to be convinced that wrong caused pain, they were taught that lesson, and they both were just fine until I lost my youngest from an illness, and my heart cries every single day of my life for her, and she was a good kid until she passed at age 44, RIP Pamela!!!

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May 25, 2022, 11:08 AM
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Hold parents accountable for an adult committing an act of violence?

Stop letting idiots reproduce? Who's going to stop them? And how do you determine who the "idiots" are?

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May 25, 2022, 11:51 AM
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70% of the recent shootings have been by those 18 or under. 2 teens shot dead in Newberry this week, two days later another 4 shot within the same neighborhood - where the heck are the 15 and 16 year olds getting the guns? Going to Vegas in 3 weeks, was reminded this morning 60 were killed there several years ago at a concert.
It is horrific, 19 kids and 2 teachers were killed at a Middle School. 2nd-4th grade kids. As a society, we’ve gone down the tubes.

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May 26, 2022, 9:27 PM
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Wearing garnet and black with a hat that says ##### on it?

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May 25, 2022, 9:10 AM
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Besides the obvious turning away from God as a society, I think the vast majority of the issue is residual fall out from 40 years of recreational drug use by society and then the big business of pharma poisoning the rest...

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May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM
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40 years? Humans have been using recreational drugs for thousands of years…

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May 25, 2022, 9:31 AM
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People have been doing horrible things even when the country was more religious. Some would say that it has gotten better overall.

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Better overall?


May 25, 2022, 10:28 AM
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I don't see that at all. How many mass murders have we seen in 2022 alone?

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May 25, 2022, 10:39 AM
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There were always mass murders. When were we good? Here is an example.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

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Yeah, um, no...


May 25, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Definitely increasing.. and this is from 2019. A lot has happened since then.

For decades, the toll of mass shootings has risen steadily. During the 1970s, mass shootings claimed an average of 5.7 lives per year. In the 1980s, the average rose to 14. In the 1990s it reached 21; in the 2000s, 23.5. This decade has seen a far sharper rise. Today, the average is 51 deaths per year.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-01/mass-shooting-data-odessa-midland-increase


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May 25, 2022, 9:46 AM
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Society turning its back on God. You sense now that it’s all about how someone feels about a subject. No absolutes when it comes to right and wrong. Not here to argue with anyone but being a Bible believer I feel we were too big to fail with no real need for something greater than ourselves and he has basically lifted His hand off this nation. Seems obvious to me in the current direction of our society.
There will always be evil in this world don’t get me wrong but the rule of law has been made a mockery of and people feel they can do what they want with little to no consequences. Believe it’s Cali that there is no arrest if you do not steal hundreds of dollars worth of merchandise. So instead of teaching right and wrong and going through the trouble of arresting people we bend the law so more can I guess legally get away with it. Drugs… now we have methadone clinics and wasn’t the Biden admin wanting to implement some sterile crack pipe and needle plan. Basically sounds like we have given up.

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May 25, 2022, 10:12 AM
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Over 200 million people of died in the name of religion. So, don't think religion would reduce violence - has created the most brutal violence, historically. Really, a mental health epidemic at this point.

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May 25, 2022, 10:18 AM
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I agree religion is not what is needed. It’s the good Lord. Just because someone says they are religious means nothing to me. It’s a relationship and a heart change.

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May 25, 2022, 10:26 AM
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Agree. I gave up on organized religion many years ago. I still believe what I believe and don’t need to associate with any congregation to do that.

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May 25, 2022, 10:34 AM
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I’m with you Noodle

I would say if you polled the number of people in this nation that considered themselves to be religious it would be a high number.

Lot of religions out there and most offer little to no hope. Try not to associate too much with the “religious”.

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I get your point, but in all of recorded history


May 26, 2022, 6:28 PM
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but I don't know about that 200 million number.

Too, I don't believe too many people have been killed in the name of Christianity in America. Whether you believe or not, Christianity sets a moral tone. Of course that doesn't completely remove the issue, but there's no doubt the morality of America is spiraling down the drain as less and less people practice Christianity. Lets remember, the country was founded with Christianity as a cornerstone.

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May 25, 2022, 10:39 AM
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I haven’t lost my faith in god, but I lost a lot of respect for all of the churches when they closed down and set rules for the pandemic. Where is the faith? A mystery disease that the talking heads changed their opinions on every day was enough to make the leaders of the churches pretty much shut them down? How can you not feel safe from something you can’t see, smell, or hear in the house of the Lord?

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May 25, 2022, 11:14 AM
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Right? How could anyone even believe in something you can't see, smell, hear, taste, or feel?

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How dare churches take measures to keep their congregations safe during a worldwide pandemic!***

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May 25, 2022, 11:11 AM
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The United States is one of the most religious nations in the industrialized world...

Religiosity rates are substantially lower in nations like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, China, Japan, and South Korea. All of those nations also have substantially lower homicide rates.

Kind of makes the whole "turning away from God as a society" argument pretty silly.

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May 25, 2022, 11:47 AM
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Also like...god murdered a whole bunch of people.

He flooded the planet, he burnt Sodom and Gammorah down, he murdered a bunch of kids in Egypt (after unleashing plagues that killed a bunch of other people), murdered a bunch of the people he "saved" from Egypt because they complained about him murdering a bunch of people, murdered a bunch more of the people he "saved" from Egypt because they complained about being hungry...the list goes on. And that doesn't even touch on the number of people his followers have murdered throughout history either outright through times like the crusades or less directly through things like church sponsored suppression of scientific progress in areas of medicine during the dark ages.

But yes, we should fix our violence problem by turning to a hyper-violent deity.

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May 25, 2022, 8:41 PM
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This is so spot on, but the mentality of people who don’t understand what you’re saying is, when it’s not “God’s people”, it’s not “murder”, Which of course, is absurd

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May 25, 2022, 8:38 PM
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This is fact

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May 26, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Well, kudos for not trotting out the same old pro-gun talking points.

Blaming recreational drug use is a new one for me.

I’ll agree that our pharmaceutical industry is monstrously out of control though.

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May 25, 2022, 9:21 AM
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Hard labor in prisons. The death penalty is too easy.

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May 25, 2022, 9:24 AM
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Death penalty doesn't work bc it is carried out behind closed doors where the criminal minded can't see what will happen if they commit crimes that carry the death sentence. But lets say we did carry out the death penalty where the public can witness it, those criminals have been fed and pampered for so long, 15-20 years in most cases, no body really knows what that person is being put to death for, they don't remember what they done. The death penalty inmates should have all their appeals over with within no longer than 5 years where there is hard facts, and proof that they done the crime they receive the death penalty for!!!

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May 25, 2022, 9:30 AM
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most of the people who "saw them" died .. but they sure did their job or the next 78 years

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May 25, 2022, 9:27 AM
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Maybe nothing will work, but let's at least have strict background checks and a little longer wait to get a gun.

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May 25, 2022, 10:03 AM
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While I agree with you and can support tougher purchasing requirements, I don't think most of the bad guys are going to Cabellas to get their guns…

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There already are strict background checks

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May 25, 2022, 10:06 AM
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instituted.

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May 25, 2022, 10:15 AM
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No we actually don't. Not by my standards. Here is a little article on it.


https://www.vox.com/2021/3/11/22319705/universal-background-checks-house-thompson-murphy


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May 25, 2022, 10:24 AM
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I buy guns in SC and I feel it is not one of the strictest gun law states but they do run background checks and plenty of paperwork. I have guns and have never wanted to shoot one person. If it’s in a man’s heart to kill he will find a knife to do it if that is his motivation. Most of your folks buying guns are not the people you see in these type of incidents.

Watching some English soccer a while back and on their jerseys they were bringing awareness to knife violence like the US with the guns.

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that is true.. but i would guess it takes a lot more time


May 25, 2022, 10:28 AM
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to stab 20 people to death than shooting them..

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May 25, 2022, 10:46 AM
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Certainly. Point being you can own a knife and a gun and kill no one.

It’s a heart issue. Just stating that if a man has it in his heart to kill he will kill.

Bad people will find a way. Fairly certain most of these folks have not passed any type of background check.

Background checks sound good and it makes people feel like we are being responsible but at the end of the day we are making it harder on the law abiding gun owner because a mass shooter bought a gun that was probably purchased on the black market.

I urge all that do not have a CWP to get one and have it on you if “God forbid “ you ever have to use it. The bad guy will have one regardless of what kind of laws are implemented.

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May 25, 2022, 10:31 AM
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Good points. That said, it might be a little harder for some psycho to kill 20plus people with a knife. Anyway, I have no idea why anyone wouldn't support universal background checks and a little longer waiting period. I also wouldn't mind if they raised the age to 21 to purchase firearms. Will that solve all of these problems? Obviously not, but they may stem the violence somewhat.

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May 26, 2022, 5:44 PM
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I can tell you some reasons.

1. Because the "universal background check" laws as have been proposed (and passed in a few states) apply to all transfers, and not just sales. And "all transfers" doesn't just apply to gifts. According to several of the laws as proposed, if two men are hunting in a field together and come to a fence, and one hunter says "Hold my shotgun while I go over the fence, then I'll hold them while you go over." (for safety purposes) would have each committed four separate felony firearms transfers (one when handing their gun to the other guy, one when the other guy handed it back, one when the other guy handed the first guy his gun, and one when the first guy handed the other guys gun back to him).

Similarly, if two friends go to a shooting range together and swap weapons just for the fun of shooting something new, those are illegal firearms transfers (another 4 felonies each, maybe more if they have multiple guns).

If Dad wants to give his daughter his old 10/.22, they have to traipse over to a FFL dealer and pay the $35 or $50 background check fee. If your brother-in-law wants to borrow your deer rifle for opening day, they have to traipse over to a FFL dealer and pay the $35 or $50 background check fee. And do the same thing again when he returns it to you on Monday.

Endless types of innocent transfers are rendered into felonies or run up large tabs at the FFL
dealers.

When someone buys a gun from an FFL, they are already required to fill out Form 4473 and go through the background check (that may be short-circuited if they can present a CCW permit, which included the requisite check before issuance). So what "universal background checks" are supposedly trying to cover are, generally-speaking, private sales. So gun show sales, online ads, etc. In this case, it is ALREADY a felony to provide a firearm to a person that you know is prohibited from possessing or that you SHOULD HAVE KNOWN was prohibited from possessing a firearm. Note that the so-called "gun show loophole" does exist: if you buy a gun from an FFL, anywhere, even at a gun show, the FFL is required to do the background check. If you buy a gun from private citizen, anywhere, even at a gun show there would be no background check but the seller would still be committing a felony if he knowingly sells a gun to a prohibited person and the prohibited person is also committing a felony by possessing the firearm.

Most people who are selling a firearm in a private sale do not want to commit a felony, even accidentally, so many of them will not sell a firearm to anyone who cannot produce a CCW or similar permit.

Also, criminals selling guns to other criminals in an alley will never bother to make the necessary background checks.

So I oppose "universal background check" that do not provide adequate save-havens for innocent temporary transfers, gifts or sales between family members, and for occasional private sales to cleared people (e.g., if I can make a photo copy of the CCW of the guy I sold my old gun to, that should be sufficient).


Now, the waiting period. Perhaps...just perhaps...someone who runs to a gun store to buy a gun TODAY is going to do something bad with it TODAY. And perhaps...just perhaps...a 3 or 5 day waiting period is going to make them reconsider whatever notion they had, whether it was suicide-by-gun, or shooting their neighbor in a property-line dispute, or rampaging through a school. But if they are intent on the bad thing, waiting a few days is an inconvenience and won't stop them.

OTOH, chances are a person buying a gun already owns one or more guns. What's the point in making them wait? If they were going to do a bad thing, they already can do it.

Finally, someone has said "give the FBI a chance to conduct the investigation." Unless there is a fixed time-limit on the length of time for the investigation, be it 30 minutes, 24 hours, 3 days, or 30 days... eventually the FBI will be told by their newest boss (whoever/whenever it comes about) that they need to slow-walk all applications...forever.

And, again, many people buying guns already have CCW or similar permits, and have gone through the necessary checks. Why make them wait at all?

And something like 90% of "mass-shooters" have either passed background checks or obtained the weapons used illegally. "According to a recent National Institute of Justice (NIJ) report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, 77 percent of the perpetrators bought guns legally." Others involved teenagers who took guns from family.

"A background check did not faze the man charged with murdering 10 people at a Buffalo grocery store on Saturday. The reason for that is straightforward: The shooter passed the background check that was completed when he bought the rifle used in the attack from a federally licensed dealer in Endicott, New York, because he did not have a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric record."

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NICS is a national standard for background checks.


May 25, 2022, 10:33 AM
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Each state has different rules as to waiting periods, but other than that, there is no difference state to state for a background check.

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May 25, 2022, 10:41 AM
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There are issues with private sales supposedly.

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May 25, 2022, 8:53 PM
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Give me a break dude. I own several guns too and I’ve never had a even a thought about shooting another person . But we’re not talking about me and you, we’re talking about nuts that buy assault weapons and go out and shoot children. If one of your children were shot or grandchildren, you’d be singing a different freaking tune, I can promise you that. As long as it doesn’t happen to you, you’re happy just to let people walk in and buy assault weapons I suppose. I really don’t understand what This mentality is all about

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Yea, we do.


May 25, 2022, 10:31 AM
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Opinions don’t constitute standards as it relates to the law.

If you know how the NICS system works, then you know. If you don’t, you’re wasting your breath arguing.

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May 25, 2022, 10:42 AM
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https://www.vox.com/2021/3/11/22319705/universal-background-checks-house-thompson-murphy


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May 26, 2022, 4:31 AM
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Read the article.

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May 26, 2022, 1:38 PM
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the article can help. HTH.

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Sadly, modern society is following that psycho right down

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the rabbit hole. We legislated God OUT of our schools. Now, we are trying to force feed homosexuality and transgenderism INTO our schools.

Broken marriages, or the lack of a marriage at all, results in single parent homes. Even when both parents are on the scene, financial reality forcing both of them to work, results in what are called "latch key kids" becoming almost the norm, instead of the exception.

What do modern kids have to use as role models, outside the home? Gangsta Rappers? TV shows depict murder and mayhem, or aberrant lifestyles as the norm. Politicians should CERTAINLY not be used as role models these days.

There is a famous quote that for many years was attributed to Edmund Burke:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Our current society can't agree on anything, they even get into fights now over who actually said that famous quote. Nobody has been able to come up with definitive "proof" that it was Burke.

Why do we need that proof? The saying is certainly just as true, no matter WHO first said it.

The answer to the ills of society as it stands now, has to begin at home. Parents have to instill some sort of core value system of common decency into their children, and love on them, first and foremost. I do not believe that monsters are born, they are created by the world around them, when they have not been taught the ways to determine what is right and what is wrong. A house is a house, but it is all too seldom a HOME, these days.

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May 25, 2022, 9:39 AM
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Like you said, most people need both parents working now a days. It's not like when were kids and had a parent at home to keep an eye on us.

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Uh, both my parents worked and so did

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all of my friends’ parents. We have yet to shoot up a school.

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May 25, 2022, 10:21 AM
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True, but overall more parental supervision goes a long way. That could be to stem drug use or even help a kid stay on track in life to avoid other problems. I think kids that have parents around have a better chance at being successful in life.

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No argument on the family effect.


May 25, 2022, 10:37 AM
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I’m simply stating that parents that work isn’t a great indicator of whether a kid uses a gun to murder innocent people.

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My wife is a school teacher and you are correct. The family unit is broken. The kids she teaches and the stories that they can tell will break your heart. Kids having to stay with grandma because one of the parents are in jail and the other can’t get off drugs. God forbid you call one and want to set up a meeting about Little Johnny’s behavior because it is not Johnny’s fault that he cannot follow the rules. Can’t get some to help with their child’s homework or show up to a meeting about their child. Some of these kids have no idea who their daddy even is.

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May 25, 2022, 9:56 AM
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I was a high school teacher in the mid 90’s. It was the same story then…nothing ever seems to get better, just worse.

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We are in similar shoes, my friend.

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May 25, 2022, 10:08 AM
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Everything you said is correct.

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You have a wife?

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May 25, 2022, 10:26 AM
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And she doesn't mind you spending 16 hours a day on Tigernet? ;)

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I do this while she is on Facebook ??.

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I call it Faceplant. And, anytime my wife laughs about me

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going on the TNets daily, I just remind her how joined at the hip she and Faceplant are.

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If your goal is to rebuilt the family unit at home you need to approach it in two ways:

1. Ensure that only those who want to become parents are becoming parents. This is accomplished through access to things like evidence/reality based sex education in schools, easy access to a variety of effective birth control methods, and yes - the ability to safely terminate pregnancy in the presence of an unwanted pregnancy.

2. Providing those families that do want children with strong social safety and welfare nets so that they don't have to work 12 hours 6 days a week and have the ability to create a home life. That means legislated worker rights, it means legislated health care, it means stronger social safety nets.

It means real action taken to support families, not some nebulous "turn to god and teach kids that gay and trangender people are evil".

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May 25, 2022, 10:29 AM
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This country is over legislated and not thinking turning to God means you teach hate of gay and trans.

Too much legislation and the removal of God from every walk of life. You tell me how that is working out.

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May 25, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Legislated workers rights, healthcare, and social safety nets and less god is working for every other first world country out there.

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This country is is legislated to death. You can have all the rules and safety nets you want but if it’s not in a man’s heart to do the right thing then it’s not going to happen.

Look I wont argue with you. You don’t believe in God that is a choice. God gives a man free will and I respect that.

I just usually ask a person do you believe in absolutes right and wrong? And if so where does that come from. And if there was no higher being or something greater than yourself then why would right and wrong even matter.

See I believe God has blessed this nation for many years. At one point this country sent more people to other countries to share the gospel and have always been a strong ally to Israel. God said he would bless the nations that blessed Israel. As long as we have not turned our back on them I still have hope for America. When that ends I can see us going down the path of Rome.

Man I wish you well you sound a little angry and that definitely was not my intent.

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May 25, 2022, 12:12 PM
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I just usually ask a person do you believe in absolutes right and wrong? And if so where does that come from. And if there was no higher being or something greater than yourself then why would right and wrong even matter.

See I believe God has blessed this nation for many years. At one point this country sent more people to other countries to share the gospel and have always been a strong ally to Israel. God said he would bless the nations that blessed Israel. As long as we have not turned our back on them I still have hope for America. When that ends I can see us going down the path of Rome.

Man I wish you well you sound a little angry and that definitely was not my intent.



This is fundamentally the problem with christians, and religious people in general...they can't understand those of us that don't need a higher being promising us a gift of eternal life in paradise to do the right thing. Right and wrong matter because I have empathy for other people and a desire for the advancement of society as a whole. I don't need a "be good and you'll be rewarded" promise to set my moral compass. It's that simple. Right and wrong matter because people matter, not because the deity of your choice matters.

And you're #### right I'm angry. 19 children and 2 teachers dead and all you can say about it is that "we've turned away from god". What god? The all-powerful god that just allowed the senseless murder of 21 people including 19 children? Or the god that personally sent his agent to murder who knows how many children in Egypt for the actions of their parents? Or maybe the all-powerful and all-knowing god that's sat around and watched his followers kills countless people in his name throughout history? That's the god we need to turn to? Forgive my skepticism but the christian god is not the role model we need right now.

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God didn’t “allow” anything. We did.

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And it’s been happening since God gave man dominion and authority on this earth.

Don’t blame God for what happened in Texas. It wasn’t God’s doing (nor is tragedy like this his desire, plan, or will).

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I don't blame god. Why would I blame something that doesn't exist?

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Education

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To borrow a line from a tv show, "they weren't born wanting to do this". That means at home, school, church, sports teams...anywhere that children should be learning how to be decent human beings. Our government should be spending multiples more on education and other like programs; but it's hard for a politician to get rich supporting the local boys club.

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Geech I believe more needs to come from home. These schools are raising these kids. Government is the problem. They throw money at problems that continue to fail and come up with the stupidest criteria on how to test these kids. They feed little Johnny breakfast and lunch. Do you think Johnny’s mom has any incentive to feed her own kid when she can send him to school and eat for free. Schools supply a lot of the school supplies me and you used to buy. My wife’s schools have plenty of things they do to help these kids but at the end of the day the parent has to care enough to take advantage of the opportunities instead of just the handouts.

I had learned recently that if you are on the free food deal you also get fed during the summer months. I understand that there are some bad situations out there and some people legitimately need help but don’t pull up to school in a BMW to pick up your kids free lunch.

Reminds me of when I worked for a grocer 25 years ago and bagged groceries for folks paying with food stamps to load them in a car nicer than anything I would probably ever drive.

Money this nation puts into social programs has got to be staggering. Just wish more used it for a way out instead of a way of life and was more incentivized to be less govt reliant.


On another note she has been in it close to 25 years and they do not get paid worth a crap for what they put up with in a day. In our school district amongst her friends what they once loved has turned into a glorified baby sitting job with very little appreciation from their admin and most want out as soon as their years are up.

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I'm a fiscal conservative so I believe in deregulation as much as possible, but my problem with libertarianism is that how people teach their children has a profound impact on my life. I don't have the answer but I can see it's clearly not just letting people do whatever they want. If someone wants to neglect their child or teach them to turn to violence it hurts all of us. And you know that probably wasn't even the case in TX. Who knows this kid might have some mental problem that no one diagnosed or his family didn't want to accept. At any rate I believe the only real way to impact this is not necessarily to take the weapon out of his hand but to prevent the intent from growing in his mind and heart.

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I agree Geech. It’s just sad all the way around.

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I agree with a lot of what both of you say. A lot of these things have been around a very long time but seem to be cumulative or getting worse as they are passed from one generation to the next. I bagged groceries and put them in “welfare Cadillacs” 45 years ago. I also worked with a woman who had perfected working the system. She figured out the more kids she had the more government assistance she got. She had 4 kids by 4 different fathers, none of which were involved with their kids. And she didn’t really want them to be. The government programs probably provided more for her than they would have. Not just food stamps and welfare but she went to college paid for by government assistance. That was 30 years ago. I wonder where those kids are today. In many cases they are living the example they were showed. In other words having lots more kids that are being raised to work the system and not being taught any personal responsibility at all.

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May 25, 2022, 9:50 AM
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... instead of throwing it into a black hole overseas.

And then look for the literally hundreds of other wasteful governmental expenditures that could (and should) be redirected toward addressing the root cause of all the violence in America.

Stop pushing for legislation and depending on the law ... there are no legal answers.

The law can punish violent offenders, but punishment has never been a deterrent for those who don’t value human life of others or for themselves.

The law can attempt to head off violence by making tools of violence harder to obtain but for the determined, those tools will still be obtained by means outside the law.

Quit wasting time and effort trying to legislate against the production of inanimate objects that are merely the tools of violent humans. Do something that can address the reasons why these people are violent in the first place.

Spend *whatever it takes* to make access to MENTAL HEALTH care something that is readily available to everyone who needs it.

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Re: What can we do as a society to stop psychos

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don't give them guns, duh.

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May 25, 2022, 9:59 AM
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but not the motivated ones:




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The man that the world would eventually know as Theodore Kaczynski came to our attention in 1978 with the explosion of his first, primitive homemade bomb at a Chicago university. Over the next 17 years, he mailed or hand delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that killed three Americans and injured nearly two dozen more.

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Not an 18 year old kid. The harder you make it for the wrong people to get weapons the harder it'll be for the wrong people to use them. Sure it won't stop all tragedies, but how many do you need to stop to make additional gun control measure worthwhile?

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no, he is on to something. If we remove all traffic lights and stop signs, only irresponsible people will get into accidents.

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I'll go the opposite direction


May 25, 2022, 10:37 AM
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I had an econ professor at Clemson who argued that we should mount giant rusty spikes right in the middle of steering wheels. He said the instances of car accidents would fall almost to zero if it was guaranteed that one would lead to instant death.

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DUDE!!! i think i was in that same class!


May 25, 2022, 11:08 AM
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i remember that same exact comment..

was it a younger guy? 1996 ish i think...

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May 25, 2022, 11:45 AM
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I know it wasn't his original idea he got it from some published paper by another economist.

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consequences for your actions.

Novel idea.

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Open world video games that allow random killing certainly

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do not help. I know I'll get some hate on this. GTA for example allow very young players to be exposed to random violence.

Ultimately, it's the parents responsibility.

I want more gun control, as in, gun owners...control your ### guns. Don't let your kids, especially your weird kids that aren't right in the head, have access. You know if your kid isn't all there. Get them help, or the State should step in and do it.

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May 25, 2022, 10:21 AM
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What are you, a 90s suburban mom? Video games aren't the problem. There's no convincing evidence demonstrating a causal link between video game violence and real life violence. Other first world countries have violent video games and don't have these problems at this frequency.

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Maybe there has been no study showing a direct link, but we certainly do glorify guns and violence in this country.

Violence sells. We are desensitized to it and it also likely helps fuel some people’s obsession with guns.

Fear also sells, which makes people feel like they need a gun, even though we may have never been safer in recent history.

Don’t get me wrong. I like many violent movies and grew up playing violent video games. I could care less about owning a gun, but understand why others want one. I would also like to reserve my right to obtain one in the future, should I want to.

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Shoot them. On site. Before police arrive.

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That is literally the only option. Policy won't deter criminals/mentally ill. Neither will jail or the death penalty.

For some reason, liberals have a hard time understanding this.

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Imagine saying we should arm elementary school teachers and following it up with "LiBrUlS hAvE a HaRd TiMe UnDeRsTaNdInG tHiS."

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May 25, 2022, 10:26 AM
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That's to easy, they should experience all the trauma they will experience through the days, weeks, months, and in some cases, years to get to their punishment, then shoot them!!! I would bet my life that public hanging like took place in the wild west days would deter crimes that receives the death penalty!!! Being strapped down on a table, and having drugs that ends their life injected into them is just to easy. They should have to experience a violet death to match what they put their victims through, and that's what they deserve!!!

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Look at the issue from a logical basis

The objective is to stop mass shootings at schools (lets tackle this one before expanding the conversation) thus protecting our children

The three components are the person, the gun and the school.

The person would have a mental illness or some would simply call it evil. While help is needed in this area there is no magic solution in this area which would protect our children.

In terms of the gun, some are calling for more gun legislation such as background checks on private sales. Since there are already 300-400 million guns in circulation expecting everyone to follow the law on a private sell is a reach at best so it is safe to say additional gun laws will only serve to burden legal gun owners where psychos will still have the same access to a gun.

The last component is the school being a soft target. If our children's safety is a priority then perhaps we could find the funding to put a law enforcement officer in each school. If there is one now perhaps we need two? Is there anyone out there who does not think we could find a few billion dollars in the federal budget of $4+ trillion we could divert from some unimportant program to school safety? Perhaps a camera system for the entire perimeter of every school with an AI system which looks for a gun?

https://www.sourcesecurity.com/news/michigan-school-adopts-zeroeyes-ai-gun-co-1553685273-ga.1653455602.html


The biggest issue in solving this problem is the folks prefer to push their agenda (both sides) rather than find a solution.

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Stoneman Douglas had an armed sheriff's deputy on site when a gunman opened fire. He hid and did nothing.

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Stoneman Douglas had an armed sheriff's deputy on site when a gunman opened fire. He hid and did nothing.




Sorry as i did not know i had to provide a job description which stated no cowards need apply.

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How exactly are you going to tease out how someone would respond to an active shooter situation before hiring them?

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Step 1...Beg all media to stop promoting the killer.

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Give the killer ZERO PUB. But...that will never happen. The media LOVES these heinous events. They are 2nd...right behind the politicians to make use of these events. ..

3. Punish the culprit. I don't know if yall saw it..but the guy that shot the cop 8n New York recently had just been released on GUN CHARGES. BUT WHAT WILL THE LEDT WANT TO DO...COME TAKE MINE AND I HAVE NEVER COMMITTED ANY KIND OF CRIME.

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May 25, 2022, 10:33 AM
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I don't think there is any plan to take your guns. There are 400+ million of them in the USA.

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May 25, 2022, 10:38 AM
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https://time.com/5676620/beto-orourke-take-guns-ar15-ak47/?amp=true

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May 25, 2022, 7:17 PM
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He is a wingnut. That would never happen. It would be way too dangerous. There are no plans that would ever happen.

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May 26, 2022, 9:27 AM
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The Current administration has made clear they want to ban weapons, en masse.

Biden’s personal definition of “assault weapon” that needs to be banned includes almost every handgun currently made in addition to the AR and AK platforms and even some shotguns. Just ask him.

Tell me how a ban will help anything if everyone gets to keep all their guns.

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Completely agree with Spud. If there was absolutely no "recognition" of the killer, no notoriety or "fame" tied to the act, I truly believe some of these shooters would not act out.

But the idiots in MSM just have to be first with a story.

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EAch school in this country should have at minimum (2)

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May 25, 2022, 11:06 AM
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armed resource officers that surveil school grounds and visitors during open hours. This means we negate stupid spending like 40 extra billion to a war in Ukraine and RE-Fund our police organizations. Its amazing how when you defund the police and tie officers hands the crime rate tends to increase. We need more trained officers which require more funding so that our kids can go to school. Thats problem #1 & that can be dealt with tomorrow.

The next is the promotion and encouraging of the nuclear family unit. We've spent the last 40 years encouraging the dissection of the nuclear family unit. Divorce is the norm, multiple sexx partners is what is encouraged even for teens, screen time is the new education, our kids friends and communities are online, abortion is a human right, we have ad campaigns now that say "take care of yourself first", and through the middle of all of this we've advocated for rebellion against our maker.... because our maker warns against all these things for our own good. The case study has gone far enough in my opinion.

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Just my two cents...

Mental illness is real and is surging. It is compounded by social media and fringe online content that fuel an individuals disfunction. Yes, I also believe there is the issue of poor parenting (my wife has been a 3rd grade teacher for 25 years, some parents should be through in jail for reckless parenting).

In some cases, there are people that are just born evil regardless of outside influences or if given just the smallest of a reason, go the wrong way very quickly.

Here is what it appears to me (definitely not fact checked), the majority of the mass shootings especially school based are committed by mentally ill individuals. Assault rifles are used almost every time to inflict mass casualties as quickly as possible.

The news coverage then is so intense it catches the attention of other potential perpetrators so it further manifests future events.

I am fairly certain, anyone on this board is NOT the problem. I am not sure the everyday criminal is even the problem in these types of cases. We are dealing with a completely different animal. These types of mass killings didn't take place before 1990 (at least that is my recollection). We need to find the common denominators and have the resolve to address them.

I am at a loss of where we go from here but I am open to any and every idea. No, I am not willing to give up my guns, I am NOT the problem but maybe it is time those who have signs of being mentally unstable are banned. Maybe anyone who posts any sort of menacing message regarding firearms should lose certain rights. Convicted criminals, yes, no brainer but again, I don't think they are committing these mass killings. Maybe there needs to be stricter criteria (age, background check with references not family related, firearms certification) for certain types of firearms. I just don't know.

All I know is that not do something, whatever that is, is unconscionable. We don't know what will or not work until we at least try. If even just one more event is avoided then it would be worthwhile. I would support compromise between both parties to just try anything, just something. This can't be the status quo moving forward. As a society I feel we are almost getting numb to these types of events. Put yourself in the shoes of the devastated family members affected by this and ask yourself what changes would I demand? And then support/vote what would make those changes happen.

Really wish someone smarter than me could come up with just something that would end the heartbreak those poor parents are living today.

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May 25, 2022, 11:20 AM
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The amount of people claiming that turning away from God is one of the reasons for this are mental midgets.

We used to have Christians enslaving people and terrorizing them for a hundred years after they became "free."

Most industrialized nations are far less religious that the United States, and all of them have substantially lower gun deaths/homicide rates.

People simply have access to more powerful and deadly guns, which leads to more mass shooting incidents. Overall, gun murder rates were at their height in the 1970s, then lowered in the 2000s. They started going back up around 2012. And now they are almost back to where they were in the 70s.

The access to weapons is the most obvious reason. There are economic reasons that factor in. Radicalization on the Internet is another. Less religious people is not.

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the access to weapons argument is null and void. Evil will find a way no matter what. Knife, rock, stick, bat, spear, poison, car, machete, on and on.

I promise you this. Limit the legal access to weapons and more illegal weapons will flood the southern borders. Thus leading to more bad guys with weapons than good guys twith weapons.

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That doesn't mean we shouldn't make it more difficult to obtain them. The Buffalo shooter legally bought a gun even though he threatened a school shooting and had to go through therapy. Perhaps that person shouldn't have been able to buy a gun.

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May 25, 2022, 1:54 PM
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do you think he would have just given up if he was denied a legal purchase? Doubt it. Evil is persistent. He would have just obtained one illegally and committed the same act.

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We can at least make it more difficult on them. That's the point. We're the only nation where this regularly happens. If others can figure out, certainly we can too. I'm not saying go full ban/confiscation of all firearms. But there's things that we can do to make it more difficult for bad people to get their hands on deadly weapons.

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People seem to look at each suggested change as a tiny step that won’t help anything , so why bother.

Thing is, a whole bunch of small steps could, together, make some sort of impact.

I’m not advocating for anything specific, I just know that something has to change. That’s why I won’t shoot down anyones ideas at this point.

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I agree that common sense legislation, such as prohibiting mentally illmpeople from possessing.

You have to consider a couple of things. There is a sizable contingent on that left that DOES want to ban all guns. Those on the right are somewhat justified in their suspicion that what we would call common-sense gun control a prelude to a total ban. Recall that during the campaign, I believe it was Beto O'Rourke (or maybe Pete Buttigieg?) said, "Hell yes, we're coming for your guns!"

Also, during the 80s, there were a few shootings in Brittain, which prompted Parliament to essentially ban guns. I would say that event helped to harden attitudes on the right, making people very suspicious of gun control. I would say making a good faith effort to address those concerns would go a long way to help reach a compromise.

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many already "on the streets" to really affect it.

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coupled with the increasingly popular dogma of self worship has absolutely nothing to do with the state of our failing society? Its just that more access to guns is the problem? I think you're kidding yourself and your blinded by your superiority complex over the thought of the supernatural.

Religion has had its faults no doubt. Many have used it for power/politics and their hijacking of its purpose has caused many wounds over the years. But when used and followed as intended it has done a lot of good in our societies for thousands of years. Its easy to point out the faults and ground your conclusions yet dismiss its virtues b/c it can't validate your argument.

Saying that morality based standards and societal structure and precepts like (do unto others as you would have done to you) is inconsequential to the mindset of a growing adolescent male is purposefully ignorant and tethered to your own hangups and agendas.

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Why are you tying morality to religion? There are millions of people with fantastic morals who are not religious.

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the framework. The bill of rights were derived from the ten commandments which are similar to The 5 Yamas of Hinduism or the Pancasila of Buddhism... The moral structure is usually written or transcribed and usually taught or shared among the people groups.

What you're speaking of is also relevant in the discussion as its another belief system which is self governance (which is the "dogma" that i'm talking about of self worship) The problem with self worship is you're leaving the moral framework up to each and every flawed or unflawed individual to set their own morals and ethics. While maybe in your case this type of tragedy woudl never enter your mind. But this kid that shot up a school believed what he did was justice, based on his ethics.

Most of these folks believe they are doing the right thing b/c their moral compass is dictated by them and only them. I would say this is risky and the more proven tact is that of some sort of historical moral/ethic system that is more agreeable among the masses. Most people would agree with the golden rule. I don't think that is debatable. The overwhelming majority of those that teach and preach the 10 commandments and model and practice them will have a better change of producing less evil than that of a society that is left to chaos and can dictate their own "truth." For the last 40 years we have encouraged folks to be your own rudder and to live your own truth.. This unfortunately might be the by product of that.

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Forcing your ethics (religion) on others (or disagreeing with theirs) is the cause of nearly every major war, globally, for the entire history of mankind.

So, trying to say religion would prevent these shootings is massively hypocritical.

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If you think that the absence of God doesn't empower the devil, and increase his evil influence on weak people, then you have not been paying attention.
Our society has degraded to the point that my parents would no longer recognize it. I'm not even going to try to list all the examples.
This mental midget will pray for you too.

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May 25, 2022, 11:21 AM
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nothing. it’s a part of life and a part of every society from the dawn of time. In the world exists good and evil. The only difference now is that there’s waaaaaaay more people on the earth and waaaaaayyy more ways to disseminate the news of these events to the masses.

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So exactly how would you spend the $40B on mental health and how can we be sure it would help? The money for Ukraine is well spent if it destroys Putin ( the enemy or our enemy is our friend). There are plenty of options for diverting money in the federal budget if we really want to make schools safe. For example we spend several billion on Obama phones, several billion on studying the impact of cocaine use on the sex lives of snail darters (or similar wasteful studies) and there are a ton of examples of wasteful spend in the federal budget.

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Banning military assault weapons that are designed to kill a lot of people quickly would be a good start. Iy would also give law enforcement a fighting chance. But I have come to realize that the gun lobby will not allow that to happen. So I'm kind of accepting it as the new normal. Mass shootings are now more of a part of Americana than hot dogs, apple pie and baseball.
I plan to just keep my head on a swivel as if I'm at war because these are war weapons. It is what it is. Vegas says the best odds for next week's mass shooting is movie theater, with school and grocery store a close second. I personally think a bar is about due. I have to attend a graduation tonight so I need to see what Vegas odds are on that. Ni idds released yet on the week after next mass shooting. After all, this is America.
If the 2nd amendment allows military automatic assault weapons, does that mean I can get a shoulder launcher, or tank? That's a thought. I'll have to check in that.

Trivia question:
You can't buy a beer in Texas until age 21. Guess what you can buy at 18?

OP, I wish you good luck in finding your answer. Perhaps you can ask Senator Graham for his ideas on the subject. At least you wont have high expectations. If you lower your expectations, like I have, you wont be disappointed.

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“banning military assault weapons designed to kill lots of people quickly will stop mass shootings” that statement is flawed logic.

I have two concealed carry 9mm that hold combined 30 rnds. Same firepower except more concealable.

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Just one problem with your post...tell me which "military assault weapons" are legal for everyday Americans to own.

Also, the very last person I would ask about a solution to any problem would be a politician. I guess that's one of our biggest problems...politicians aren't interested in solutions, to anything. There's no money in the cure.

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1) Rebuild the traditional family unit and respect for God, Others, Self and Country
2) Stop the glorification of violence in media, video games etc.
3) Stop the politicization of everything...get leaders who lead
4) Be a sheepdog...whatever you are good at to protect your fellow man do more of it

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May 25, 2022, 1:15 PM
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All we have to do is isolate the gene specific to psychos and invent a DNA specific “nerve gas” spray and have Elon Musk spray the world with it. Beyond that what is there to do to identify psychos before they act? These tragedies need to end!

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May 25, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Harden these soft targets. From what I understand there are a lot of schools that have unspent Covid funds that number into the billions of dollars. There is no more urgent need right now than the need to protect the most innocent and vulnerable amongst us. The money is already there. Get it done

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May 25, 2022, 1:30 PM
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The only way to address force is with force. The US has give $53B to Ukraine and that equates to $400,000 per school in the US.

That's a lot of firearms and training for 10% of the faculty and staff. That's a bunch of metal detectors for every entrance.

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May 25, 2022, 1:57 PM
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Close the border; put bible, prayer and discipline back into school and enforce the law by keeping criminals in jail...we need a spiritual revival in this country.

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Close the border? The only ones doing

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May 25, 2022, 2:43 PM
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This are home grown. The rest of the world should want to make sure our idiots and guns stay here.

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Bring back the "cruel and unusual punishment"

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that was considered unfair at a time when it was not needed. Make it so bad that the cowards who would attack children would absolutely fear being taken alive.

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May 25, 2022, 2:10 PM
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problem is those pusssies usually always kill themselves before getting cuffed.

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May 25, 2022, 2:31 PM
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When anyone buys an assault rifle AND protective body armor, LE should be notified and open a precautionary background check - jut in case.

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May 25, 2022, 3:25 PM
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Quit disguising the mental health problems caused by media and political manipulation as a gun problem. Guns can walk around and shoot people, evil people do and if there’s one thing the media/politicians can do is create evil people

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May 25, 2022, 3:27 PM
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Evil owns this world until God says that's enough. So we need to get to work at sharing the Gospel, this has to happen before Jesus calls us home.

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Red flag laws and age limits on gun ownership


May 25, 2022, 3:38 PM
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At least in these two most recent mass shooting incidents, the shooters gave some bright red flashing signals that they were thinking of committing the atrocities that they eventually did commit. In Buffalo, the shooter was actually taken in for mental evaluation after he threatened to commit a mass shooting of blacks. He said "just kidding" and they let him go. And the Texas shooter posted his intentions on Facebook (admittedly the same morning as he committed the crime so not much could be done with a red flag law in that case).

Giving government the ability to take guns away from an individual is something that could certainly be abused, but a well written red flag law might actually make a difference.

My next proposal would probably be pretty controversial, but it seems like every one of these events is committed by a male in his late teens. Boys that age are still developing mentally and emotionally, and they're prone to more irrational behavior than they are later in life. Maybe a national 21-year-old age limit on gun ownership is something that should be considered.

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May 25, 2022, 4:59 PM
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to give up the things that we historically hold dear, that are killing us as a society:

1. Ban all measures of social media - it's a toxic sh** storm that causes depression/anxiety among teens.
2. Offer one-time free abortions in every state - on contingency that mandatory sterilization is given as well.
3. Stop normalizing violence. Schools shooting? It's time to start finding out what these psycho's problems were, pinpointing them in others and offer mental health resources (though I have serious doubts of their effectiveness). When that fails, they have to be isolated away from the general public.
4. Stop blaming guns. Start blaming mental health problems and what these kids issues are and why they decide to go suicidal while taking out children (bullied, most likely, from a young age, took it out of kids of a certain age that they didn't feel were victims due to being bullied at that age?)
5. I would say to hold parents accountable, but the last few schools shooters killed their parents before rampaging.

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May 25, 2022, 8:46 PM
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The answer is very simple, and nobody wants to address it. In virtually every country that has low rates of mass killings, assault weapons are illegal. Don’t take my word for it, look it up yourself. Some developed countries where assault weapons are illegal, the rates of mass killings and gun violence are 20 times lower than the United States. We don’t live in the wild West anymore, or on a frontier with with Native Americans and their bow and arrows pointed at you, it’s time to do away with assault weapons. Anyone who argues against it is probably going to be the next mass killer.

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May 26, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Define “assault weapon”. Which weapons, specifically, do you want to ban?

I don’t necessarily have a problem with certain weapons being outlawed, but without a clear definition of what you mean by “assault weapon” I can’t be supportive.

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May 26, 2022, 2:45 PM
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I'm joining in late and maybe it has been said already in this thread, but IMO, belief in God and family has waned. Polls say people are religious and believe in God but they act like there are no consequences for their behavior.
Secondly, the family has been diluted for the love of money and material things and then there are the many single parent families that are just struggling to get by without much time for parental guidance. There are way too many children being raised in the streets or on the internet by unsavory individuals because their parents can't or won't teach them right from wrong and hold them accountable for their actions.

How to fix that is the $64,000 question.

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May 26, 2022, 3:31 PM
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research shows that the death penalty has never been a deterrent for these types of egregious crimes.

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May 26, 2022, 3:41 PM
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One thing is to figure out who their recruiters are. Nobody wants to go there.

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May 26, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Stop the recruiters. They walk away unscathed while we are willing to surrender our power over to a government with a hidden agenda. There is mass murder of infants authorized by the same government that wants to play politics with school shootings. Who gains and who looses? Are they above recruiting teens for their ultimate goal? If you think not, remember Hillary.

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May 26, 2022, 5:39 PM
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How many tinfoil hats do you have?

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May 26, 2022, 3:59 PM
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Restore respect for social norms and mores, stop encouraging a victimhood mentality from people who don't at least attempt to conform to them, and make involuntary commitment easier for authorities to accomplish. The U.S. has moved toward relativism, and away from acknowledging (lest we appear "bigoted" or "phobic" or "judgmental") that there are ways that one should try to live one's life in order to increase their (and their descendants') chances of achieving the American dream. This has created a society in which a lot of people believe that no matter how far outside the cultural mainstream they decide to live, that society has an obligation to embrace and celebrate their lifestyle choices and if it doesn't, that they are being victimized and oppressed and have a right to demand "equity" or "equality", or are justified in going on a shooting spree. People should be able to live the life they choose, yes (within legal limits), but that doesn't mean that everyone's lifestyle is equivalently admirable and worthy of celebration. If you want to lead a nihilistic life and have no desire to conform to society's norms, that's fine, but go find others who share your worldview and set up your own little subculture. I suspect we will find that the killer of these children led a life and was going down a path far from the mainstream, and listened to all the liberal talking heads who try day in and day out to stoke division and resentment within society.

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Death penalty for violent criminals early & often ...


May 26, 2022, 5:36 PM
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America does not have the appetite to put down psychos which results in a lot of innocents and more not-so innocents being slaughtered every year.

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May 26, 2022, 5:43 PM
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I do not have answers. I wish I did and people would listen. I do believe that social media makes these killer to be more infamous than they were in the past. I also think media has an agenda. They do seek to take guns away from people. It is liberal media promoting their beliefs. As another poster posted below the amount of these crimes has not increased, yet with the weapons advancements they have become deadlier.

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