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St. Peter’s Peacocks coach makes $266,000 per year per ESPN.

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Mar 27, 2022, 12:34 AM

Interesting. Maybe Holloway does not understand and that in order to win - he must make more than $2.6M.
Same for their arena/gym. I think run baby run arena holds 3,200.
Good for them.

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So, their facilities must be awesome.***

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Mar 27, 2022, 5:59 PM

No. Everyone single one of their fans and alumuni attend all of their games. So they are entitled to complain.

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The Real Difference Is

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Mar 27, 2022, 6:43 AM

That the St. Peter’s coach has a personality, Clemson’s does not.

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Mar 27, 2022, 7:08 AM

I would take 250 to coach the team, but seriously they have definitely gotten their monies worth plus some with that guy.

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Mar 27, 2022, 7:42 AM

He won't be making that next year. He'll get a job at a bigger school making much more money.

Remember Florida Gulf Coast College a few years ago. Made a deep run into the tourney. Got got a nice pay raise from another school.

Anybody remember his name or where he is now? I don't.

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Enfield at USC***

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Mar 27, 2022, 8:03 AM

Bret you killed me in the WGC bracket. I have 0 in the final four. It went about like my basketball bracket. Congrats to you sir!

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Mar 27, 2022, 12:38 PM

bretfsu® said:

He won't be making that next year. He'll get a job at a bigger school making much more money.

Remember Florida Gulf Coast College a few years ago. Made a deep run into the tourney. Got got a nice pay raise from another school.

Anybody remember his name or where he is now? I don't.


Andy Enfield?...

He's at the real USC...

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Mar 27, 2022, 8:21 AM

That should be Brad's pay as well.

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"If a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal."


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Mar 27, 2022, 9:12 AM

Interesting thought Pig. Pay Brownell $15,000 per win and when he gets to 21 wins, pay him $2 million. After 21 wins, double his pay per win to $30,000 and whatever other bonuses negotiated. I know it would never happen and is only fun to think about. Pay for production, imagine that.

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Mar 27, 2022, 11:21 AM

Real incentive pay!!!

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"If a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal."


The real question is, which SEC school is going to offer him

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Mar 27, 2022, 8:25 AM

$5 Mill a year first? You know one of them will. They have all that ESPN distributed money just sitting around. They can't possibly spend it ALL on football. They don't even need to, since the boosters can now legally and above board pay the teams via NIL.

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He won't be going to the SEC. He'll be coaching Seton Hall


Mar 27, 2022, 9:27 PM

next year, at about $2 million per year. He played there, and that's his dream job. If he's successful, he will retire there.

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Mar 27, 2022, 8:32 AM

??????

Threads like these really point out the bozos. I typically try not to respond to such idiotic drivel, but it's hard to resist this morning.

Do you disagree with these 2 statements?

It is harder to recruit top talent when you have bad facilities/low paid coach compared to schools you compete with.

It is possible to make a run in the tourney, even if you have bad facilities/low paid coach.

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Mar 27, 2022, 8:53 AM

I think the personality and rep of the head coach have a lot to do with recruiting.

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CM, why can't you and the people you're constantly arguing..

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Mar 27, 2022, 9:34 AM

with both be right.

We need to make a serious financial commitment to Clemson basketball and putting lipstick on a pig with the Littlejohn upgrade wasn't/isn't the answer.

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Brownell could have done more with the hand he was dealt. He's not the guy going forward and will never take us to any kind of real consistent success in the ACC or Tourney.

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Re: CM, why can't you and the people you're constantly arguing..

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Mar 27, 2022, 9:59 AM

What I am saying is that I think brownell could be that guy if we provided more support and amentities to use in recruiting. We are already outperforming our ACC recruiting rankings. One would think if we could recruit better, we will perform better.

Over the last 5 years, we have made a sweet 16, gone to 2 tournaments, beat UNC on the road, and averaged more ranked wins per year than any other coach other than Barnes. Could there be improvements? Sure! Could it have been worse? Yes!

I'm on the fence with brownell. I understand why he's being retained for 1 more year, and I also wouldn't be pissed if we fired him. Firing him, changing nothing with our program, and hiring another up and coming coach is idiotic IMO. It's hard to find a top tier coach. That's why there aren't many consistent teams year in and year out. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but if we get a successful coach, he will just bolt for another school.

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Mar 27, 2022, 10:08 AM

I don't think that most people would argue about spending more. It seems to me a matter of throwing away good money after bad. Yes a little more could be spent in some areas now but Brad Brownell has not proven that he is a good steward of what is spent. The budget for the program has had a huge increase since 2011, not even including the improvements to Littlejohn. Are we really in any better shape?

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This continuous 'lack of support' excuse that keeps getting

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Mar 27, 2022, 1:57 PM

trotted out so often by the self-titled basketball "experts" here is embarrassing on several levels, the first being the shade it throws on our current players by continuously harping on that, i.e. "if Brad had more support we'd have better kids than what we have now so we would win more." This is the same group of course that also calls out other program fans as not really being "fans" because we hold a coach accountable instead of digging on the players talents via these backhanded remarks.

Brad's coaching failures in close games, compared to his ACC peers, has unfortunately been well documented on here, and those failures match the overall energy in the program over Brad's tenure. Not a lick of funding is going to affect that, other than eating Brad's buyout and reloading with better coaching chops in this area. This is in addition to his well known "Wheel of Destiny" show/no-show performances that are part of the consistent inconsistency we've all come to know and love.

Unfortunately for us, Brad has had twelve years to show how well he develops talent into NBA worthy players, he's had twelve years to show how well he coaches his team to victory in close contests, and he's had twelve years to show how well he leads a team to/in the post-season. Next up, he'll have thirteen years under his belt to continue the same. Can he grow as a coach in these critical areas this offseason? A definition of "lunacy" says of course not due to that whole same thing over and over and expecting different results thing, but ultimately what do bozos like me know about the game? Apparently not much.

Go Tigers.

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Re: CM, why can't you and the people you're constantly arguing..

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Mar 27, 2022, 10:33 AM

Truthfully, I do agree with you more than it seems.
Where we differ. After 12+ - I think we know what BB can and cannot do. At a Clemson with no real track record - you need an edge. Dynamic charismatic coach and recruiter maybe?
Beating our recruiting rankings comment I don’t get. IMO - our market is to find talent with upside and then coach them up. Most teams not named, Duke, unc, Kentucky , Kansas, etc have some seriously talented players who were not 4 or 5 star players. Maybe BB issue is with evaluating talent and their upside.

We also don’t agree on retaining him another year. Why? Is he suddenly going to become dynamic and use the other half of the playbook that he has held back the past 12 years? Very little upside to bringing him back. If he has a good year - does it make him a great coach? Or does it further fracture the fan base? He has tried hard, but it simply has not worked out. That being said, yes, I might have egg on my face if he is retained and goes on a string of competitiveness that he has not previously shown. Then, I will smile and say, wow, I was wrong. But after a 12+ year set of results, the probability is very low.

I appreciate your comments, not always your name calling, but such is life.

Go Tigers.

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Brownell is responsible for recruiting and throwing money...


Mar 27, 2022, 10:34 AM

at an issue doesn't fix it. Just ask Texas. Brownell can't do it. He's had 12 years and every excuse in the book. It will not change. Brownell would not be allowed to stay at ANY other major program in America with his results at Clemson. NONE. Not even football schools with horrible basketball histories and mediocre budgets. Miami, FSU, and VT have all done more with less in the ACC over this same time period. There is NO arguing that.

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Mar 27, 2022, 5:50 PM

Amen to that

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Mar 27, 2022, 10:29 AM


with both be right.

We need to make a serious financial commitment to Clemson basketball and putting lipstick on a pig with the Littlejohn upgrade wasn't/isn't the answer.

==AND==

Brownell could have done more with the hand he was dealt. He's not the guy going forward and will never take us to any kind of real consistent success in the ACC or Tourney.



The weak point with CBB is he is not a snake oil salesman so the talent of his recruits will match what the program can offer recruits. The other things we as college basketball fans are suppose to care about he does extremely well: graduates players, developer of young men, represents the program with class and dignity. Many of us don’t want to throw the good aspects away so we need to find a way to help recruiting. I know we could likely find a dynamic coach who could win a few more games in the short run but they won’t stay so we would be in a constant rebuilding mode. So the question is how we can find a way to attract one additional high 4* recruit each year which put us where we want to be in all aspects of the program. Be it facilities or NIL or something else.

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Mar 27, 2022, 5:53 PM

We need a coach who can bring enthusiasm to our recruiting, fan base, and management.

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Mar 27, 2022, 10:17 AM

Ok, I will play your excuse game.
Let’s separate your first question into 2.
Is it harder to recruit top talent when you have poor facilities compared to competition? Yes, harder but not impossible. Look at the roster of the Peacocks.
Is it harder to recruit when you have a low paid coach? This one made me laugh. You think that any recruit does a search to see what the coach makes BEFORE he commits to play for that school? Your comment makes no sense. So, good recruits find the highest paid coach and not the coach who they can relate to? That does not hold water sparky! Or should I return your Bozo?

Your second thought was is it possible to make a run in the tourney with bad facilities and a low paid coach? Absolutely is possible. Does low pay to you mean that he is a crappy coach and recruiter? Or maybe he is low paid and a great coach and recruiter. Or maybe you think it was simply luck or lightning in a bottle? Are you now claiming that the one run BB had in the dance (did not make it this far) was also that same luck?

Good coaches are good coaches regardless of pay. A more intelligent question you could have asked, was, can a school with limited resources continue to compete at the level they are right now? Now, that answer is probably not. But,you never know. Probably never will, as he is going to be recruited away.

The facts you object to remain the same. Pay and facilities can vary. Coaching and recruiting matter!

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Mar 27, 2022, 10:47 AM

WTH is wrong with Littlejohn. I do not understand that argument. Is it the Dean Dome no but I do not think that is holding us back. Maybe I’m reading wrong and you all are talking about more bells and whistles??

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Mar 27, 2022, 10:52 AM

First thing imo is finding better assistant coaches or those responsible for evaluating talent. Maybe that’s more of a weakness than we are realizing. If I’m Brownell and I want to win he can afford to take a pay cut to offer better up and coming assistants, and if things improve Clemson would or should reevaluate his compensation.

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Mar 27, 2022, 11:00 AM

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WTH is wrong with Littlejohn. I do not understand that argument. Is it the Dean Dome no but I do not think that is holding us back. Maybe I’m reading wrong and you all are talking about more bells and whistles??




You need to separate the venue where games are played with the player facilities. Take our FB program. We play in DV which has state of the art locker rooms but we also have a top notch indoor practice facility plus a $100M football operations facility with every bell, buzzer and whistle imaginable.

Why did we invest ~ $250M on football if it’s not important?

BTW I also think a crowd funded NIL program for basketball would accomplish the same thing but wanted to answer your question

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Mar 27, 2022, 11:05 AM

I had thought that was what was improved on the latest upgrade. The club BS should be moved. I understand the money part of it but not sure that’s the kind of crowd that provides excitement for the players.

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Mar 27, 2022, 5:56 PM

Throw all the money you want at basketball. It wont help until we have a coach capable of driving the boat. We do not have that and even our AD knows that.

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Mar 27, 2022, 12:46 PM

Congrats to Coach Holloway and the Peacocks on an amazing season. He will be richly rewarded as his alma mater Seton Hall will pay him whatever it takes to secure him.

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wonder what the northwest missouri coach makes


Mar 27, 2022, 12:59 PM

4 of last five division 2 championships .

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Recruiting plain and simple and Brad just can't get it done


Mar 28, 2022, 3:00 PM

but he is still better than some of the other ACC coaches believe it or not

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