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Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 16, 2013, 8:42 PM
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Clowney is running his mouth at media days. And, he has pretty good legs to stand on when taunting Tajh, but the rest of his comments are asinine. Clowney came to SCar as the consensus best player in the country and joined what was indisputablely the most talented team (at that time) in the schools history. They had also just played for their first ever shot at an SEC title. So surely, while retaining loads of talent, they have moved on to bigger and better things with Mr Sure Fire #1 pick NFL Ready at 17 years old Clowney, right? Oh wait, what's that. Despite players like Jefrey, Garcia, Shaw, Thompson, Lattimore, Ingram, Gurley, Swearinger and a host of others at their disposal Steve "the greatest mind in the history of the sport (in his own mind) Spurrier and Man Child Clowney have actually only regressed in the two years he has been there. Oh yes, they've won a bunch of games, but aside from some tacky rings of dubious value on ebay, what do they have to show for it. zilch.
And this is why I make the Spurrier/Bowden comparison. He has become incapable of winning "the game that matters." He is serving up a big old helping of red meat to the Gamecock faithful by beating UGA and Clemson every year but manages to find a way to stumble and lose the division each year. This is a coach who very publicly downplayed non-conference rivalries at Florida while winning a huge string of conference titles. Bowden managed to keep his job as long as he did for two reasons - he cracked the code on beating FSU and owned the Gamecocks. And despite perpetually being an also ran in the division and playing in meaningless bowl games year after year this was enough to placate a very large portion of the fanbase. This is exactly what Spurrier has done at SCar. He has abandoned whatever it was that allowed him to build Florida teams with the focus to finish the season best in the SEC and he has accepted winning two games as the crux of the season. He's going to beat teams like Vanderbilt, Kentucky, a rebuilding Tennessee, anyone with Mississippi in the name just by showing up most of the time. But the obvious game planning and work is directed at two games, Hence the terrible play in the Florida game last year and the legendarily bed-sh*tting performance against Auburn two years ago.
For your star player to run his mouth about Murray - who has played in the SEC championship two years in a row, a game Clowney has never played in is ridiculous. In the modern college football world you play for championships. This is what Spurrier used to understand. Individual games are big to fans but going undefeated is almost impossible so you have to focus strategically. Georgia has beaten SCar on this count two years running - no matter the score of the game. And do you think anyone in Athens would give a flying sh*t about the SCar game if they had beaten Alabama and played for a NC? He trashes talks Manziel who he's never played and just won the Heisman. Manziel who just won a Cotton Bowl - a better bowl game the SCar HAS EVER PLAYED IN.
I for one am looking forward to watching the wheels come off this season. Clowney is going to create locker room issues the first time anything doesn't go their way. He is the polar opposite of a Marcus Lattimore when it comes to leadership. Clowney is all about Clowney. I hope the skid starts with UNC. SCar usually starts slow and given how much they are going to be looking down their noses at a lowly ACC team for their opener they could find themselves in a hole they can't dig out of. In fact, my dream is for SCar to finish the season with 2 losses - Clemson and UNC. And despite finally picking up a conference championship they'd have to live knowing that they disgraced their conference by ending the streak of appearances in the NC game. And no conference champion with two losses is going to play in that game. Those losses should, in theory, drag down everyone else in the SEC enough to keep a second place team from sliding in like Alabama two years ago.
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Check.
Jul 16, 2013, 8:51 PM
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He is a good one ...but also a dumb one. That kind of talk can only bring bad karma , and karma is ALWAYS listening.
Mouthy and illiterate . How does that even work ?
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Re: Check.
Jul 16, 2013, 9:58 PM
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Sammy Watkins says hello.
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Uh...you my friend have no idea what "context" is
Jul 16, 2013, 10:07 PM
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Sammy Watkins' comments were "IF we beat Georgia.." (implying that it is not a sure thing) "...and beat the mess out of them like we SHOULD" (not implying we will, but implying that this is what is expected of the team). Also, he goes on in the rest of that interview to talk about how Georgia is a great team, that he wants to work hard and be the best receiver he can be, and that he's only worried about Clemson, not about other teams.
Not only that, but Sammy is always very humble. He thanks God on Twitter all the time for everything he has. He's also very knowledgeable about the same, he's always talking about defensive formations and matchups.
Seriously, here is the article: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20130630/TIGERSNOW/306300026/Bart-Wright-Stepping-Up-Clemson-s-Sammy-Watkins-talking-loud-proud-after-modest-2011
Clowney on the other hand literally came out and said "these quarterbacks are all scared of me because I'm the best there ever was." There's no way to use context to get out of that one. He was straightforwardly arrogant as can be.
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Re: Uh...you my friend have no idea what "context" is
Jul 16, 2013, 10:12 PM
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Clowney did not say scared of him. He said scared of the entire DLine.
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Re: Uh...you my friend have no idea what "context" is
Jul 17, 2013, 11:28 PM
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Oh he didn't? What does "he's staring at me every play before the ball is snapped, he is shook man" sound like to you? He was talking about how he is afraid of the d-line, you are correct. He never once said "Tajh Boyd is afraid of me" but when you keep saying "he keeps looking at me before the snap, every snap" and "let's get some hits on him he's scared" I think that he's implying that it's not the other guys but Clowney that he's afraid of. There is other talent on your defensive line, yes, but Tajh would probably rather take his chances against Chaz Sutton or Kelcy Quarles than face Clowney one on one, and there are about 119 other QBs in the nation that could attest to that.
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Re: Re: Check.
Jul 16, 2013, 10:10 PM
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Tell Sammy I said Hello back ! Is he following me on Instagram or something ? I suddenly feel like a quasi celebrity ...
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At least Sammy can spell hello
Jul 17, 2013, 10:55 PM
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Unlike your boy, doo doo.
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Agreed***
Jul 17, 2013, 10:55 AM
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it took half a beer to finish, but well said.***
Jul 16, 2013, 9:03 PM
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Two whole gulps?***
Jul 16, 2013, 9:27 PM
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Re: Two whole gulps?***
Jul 16, 2013, 9:49 PM
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What if I'm drinkin 40's?
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That's why I said "whole".***
Jul 16, 2013, 9:53 PM
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Point! Best I've read in a while
Jul 16, 2013, 9:58 PM
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Excellent job my friend. Ole Darth Visor has painted his stadium with individual school records because he is incapable of putting banners up.
Hmmmm imagine that, Ole Stevie putting emphasis on individuality instead of teamwork. Go figure.
As for Clowncoot, well he can enjoy being an Oakland Raider.
I see a pattern here: Stevie coaches at a school where coaches go to die and Clowncluck is probably going to a franchise where players go to die.......
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It's going to be awesome to see Clowney fail***
Jul 16, 2013, 10:16 PM
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 5:42 AM
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The last 4 sentences... You realize that's exactly what they did Toby's two years ago, right?
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 10:28 AM
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I assume you are referring to the 2011-12 championship. If so, an undefeated LSU was forced to play a rematch against a 1 loss Alabama - whose only loss was to undefeated LSU. In my scenario, Scar would be out based on two losses to lowly ACC teams regardless of their SEC record. No team that loses in a conference championship game is going to move on to a bcs championship so even if the SEC West champ was undefeated SCAr would effectively eliminate them with no shot at the championship themselves. That would leave a 1 loss runner up in either division as the only option. But out of conference losses drag on the whole conference. SCar losses would drag on everyone. A problem Alabama did not have since the only team they lost to was undefeated.
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Except Spurrier's program has been on probation
Jul 17, 2013, 8:52 AM
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for five of the nine seasons that he will have coached there (if he stays next year, it will be six of ten) and Clemson's was never on probation under Bowden.
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Your smoking grass
Jul 17, 2013, 11:44 AM
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Spurlid may be one of the best college coaches ever. Tommy boy cant be in the same conversation. I cant stand Spurlick, I would love to smash an egg in his face, but he has USuC playing at levels they shouldn't be. USuC has averaged top 25-15 class at best over the years but consistently finishes in the top 10 of the toughest conference. If Spurlid actually tried to recruit and land UF-caliber players the dirt peckers would be much better. That being said, F% Spurlid. Go Tigers!! Rip Clowna$$ a new one.
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Re: Your smoking grass
Jul 17, 2013, 1:17 PM
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Spurrier has coached at South Carolina for 8 years. He has three Top 25 finished. Two of those Top 10. Is 25% consistently? Tommy coached 10 years with 4 Top 25 finishes. I am not comparing UF Spurrier to Tommy. My point was that, like Tommy, Spurrier is content solely with beating "rivals." Spurrier used to taunt Fulmer for "accomplishments" pretty much identical to his at South Carolina. Is being the house team for the Outback Bowl really so much better than the Citrus Bowl? Can he really be proud of beating Nebraska in the Cap One Bowl when it is really just a renamed Citrus Bowl that he mocked so much years ago?
Spurrier never finished lower than 13th at Florida. In 12 seasons he finished in the Top 10 eight times. That is consistency. Spurrier at Florida WAS one of the greatest coaches ever.
As for recruiting, he has pulled a Top 25 class every year he has been there including a best #6 ranking in 2007 - the class that became the backbone of the greatest run in the schools history. So it is hard to argue he doesn't care about recruiting.
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You are my hero!
Jul 17, 2013, 10:50 PM
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This post and the original post in this thread are awesome!
I never thought of that comparison, but you hit the nail on the head!
Great job! Post more often.
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 1:55 PM
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To say USC has regressed since '10 is ridiculous. They may not have been to the SECCG but they beat the leader of their division twice and have dominated Clemson 4 consecutive years.
They dropped a game in 11 to Auburn that they shouldn't have and ultimately kept them out of the title game and they played a close game in Death Valley that UGA didn't have to play last year.
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Southern Cal started out ranked #1 last season and finshed
Jul 17, 2013, 3:02 PM
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by losing to GT. I'd call that a regression.
#### off, coot.
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Re: Southern Cal started out ranked #1 last season and finshed
Jul 17, 2013, 4:52 PM
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Not a coot just a neutral Sandlapper observer that loves college football.
Thanks for the hospitality though. Can really see why people talk about this site.
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It isn't just the site...it's the constant influx of coots
Jul 17, 2013, 11:50 PM
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that come here arguing for God knows what reason. Is it really that difficult for people to understand that this is a Clemson board?
From time to time, we fans love to blow off some steam. It's not like we are writing a piece for the front page of ESPN.com or something. Yet if anything is remotely debasing to USuC, coots have to come flocking in here defending themselves.
No one cares to hear their opinion or their thoughts. That's one of the reasons we Clemson fans log on to a Clemson website...to get away from those knuckle draggers. If I wanted a coot's opinion, I'd go to a USuC forum but seeing as I don't care for them, I avoid them. Many of them claim to be here just to start a 'friendly discussion.' Then you look at their responses in their post history, and they do nothing but respond in an incendiary fashion and then wonder why everyone is so hostile in another thread.
I can do nothing but laugh at them and their constant need for big brother's approval. Yes, USuC has owned Clemson on the field in recent history...but you have to ask yourself, who really owns who when the USuC fanbase crawls to a Clemson forum begging for everyone to see things from their perspective.
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 4:26 PM
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You have finished lower in the division standings in 2011 and 2012 than you did in 2010. You have won a lot of games but twenty years from now what will you have to show for the Spurrier "era." Nothing. A banner from 1969 is all you have.
I have a feeling you are in for a season like Clemson had in 2011. You'll win a bunch of games but lose a bunch you shouldn't also. Your back field is a mess. I know you think after the last few years that you can just reload, but you are replacing all your linebackers and some of the secondary. No matter how good they are there are no proven leaders and no one to direct traffic. Everyone in your backfield could be future All-Americans but they still have to learn to play as a unit. Something that just doesn't come together in practice alone. And it is fairly unusual to have nothing but noobs on an entire unit like this. Just like Clemson in 2011 you'll be stout up front but once anyone sees daylight it will be off to the races.
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 4:50 PM
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USC may have finished lower in the standings but they won more games and finished in the top 10 both years.
Competition in the East improving and schedule inequalities have kept USC out of ATL the past two years but as a whole the team has improved each year.
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 7:56 PM
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Excuses excuses. There's always next year. Was Auburn at home a scheduling "inequity." How can there even be scheduling "inequity." I thought the SEC was the best conference in the history of all sports. Isn't every team a juggernaut. That was always the excuse for losing to Clemson every year when Bowden was the coach. "Oh we're too beat up from playing quality opponents like Vanderbilt and Kentucky every week to be competitive against Clemson at the end of the year."
Also, do you sincerely believe your just going to keep winning 11+ games forever. Do you really think it is as simple as slipping a visor on and spitting out a few colorful witticisms? According to my quick math, a whopping 5 teams have managed to win 10+ the last 3 seasons - Alabama, LSU, Oregon, Stanford, and Boise St. Extend it to 4 seasons and it drops to Alabama, Oregon, and Boise State. By the way, if the SEC is really so super competitive how come LSU and Alabama both manage to almost never lose to anyone else in that conference?
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 11:32 PM
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There were also about 10 other teams in 2011 and 2012 that could say "we were one win away from a National Title appearance." If Clemson beats FSU, even with a loss to Carolina we are a top 5 team, "close" doesn't count in football. Tell your Georgia "we were 5 yards from a national title" fans that too when you are on your way out.
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"but aside from some tacky rings of dubious value on ebay"
Jul 17, 2013, 1:58 PM
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I wish I could give you a million points for that!! Hilarious. Just spit my lunch all over the comp screen.
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Okay, After reading this I"M READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!!!
Jul 17, 2013, 4:42 PM
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Go Tigers!
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pot shots at T Bowden - fail (miserably)***
Jul 17, 2013, 4:51 PM
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Re: Spurrier has become Tommy Bowden
Jul 17, 2013, 6:18 PM
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You failed to mention for the life of them, the gamecocks can't handle two of our favorite whipping boys, Auburn and LSU. Don't know why with all that talent, but they can't.
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Brilliant. Only disagreement, no SEC championship. The spin
Jul 17, 2013, 6:37 PM
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meister SEC sucups in the media would claim that the only reason the SEC didn't win the NC was because they were not afforded the opportunity. Let's beat the SEC in the NC game.
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Regression
Jul 17, 2013, 11:11 PM
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Aleast 2010 you played for something, what did the 2011 and 2012 11+ wins get you... zip... Go Tigers!
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we love Spurrier
Jul 17, 2013, 11:14 PM
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Your opinionbof him is what means zilch. Amazing the last 4 years after we have won yall admit he is a great coach, then summer comes and nothing the previous year mattera.
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Re: we love Spurrier
Jul 17, 2013, 11:35 PM
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Gotta get yourself psyched up for the upcoming season. During media days and before fall camp we all start making stuff up to keep our minds fresh. I'm sure you guys are talking a ton of junk about Clemson and UNC just like we are South Carolina and Georgia. I'd be more worried if people were still content with complaining about our baseball or basketball team and the lack of sun in the upstate this summer. It's almost time for some football, and I'm pretty #### excited.
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