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1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:
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1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:


Feb 16, 2022, 9:54 AM

1st Team:
SF Greg Buckner (4th all time scorer)
PF Horace Grant
C Tree (shot blocking ability puts him here)
SG Billy Williams (led us to elite 8 in 1980)
PG Skip Wise (simply the best)

2nd Team:
SF Larry Nance
PF Dale Davis
C Elden Campbell (all time leading scorer)
SG Will Solomon (1st team All ACC as a jr.)
PG Terrell McIntire (2nd all time scorer)

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Re: 1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:


Feb 16, 2022, 9:56 AM

Oh to have players like that again. Makes me kinda sad.

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Feb 16, 2022, 9:59 AM

Like it, but have to have Trevor Booket in the top 10 too. Top 5 scorer in school history, Second rebounderbehinf only Tree, and was on teams that won 20 or more games all four years. Only one to do that.

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Over who though?***


Feb 16, 2022, 10:10 AM



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Re: Over who though?***


Feb 16, 2022, 10:51 AM

Will Solomon was good, but Book went to three NCAATs. He was a first team All-ACC player. ACC Defensive Player of the year. He was almost 10 year NBA player. Come on...

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True. I was trying to stick with one player at each position


Feb 16, 2022, 11:01 AM

though.

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Re: Over who though?***


Feb 16, 2022, 11:37 AM [ in reply to Re: Over who though?*** ]

Will Solomon had ZERO support. You have to remember that the guys surrounding him would likely have struggled to win intramural games much less ACC games without Solomon on the court. Stockman, Allenspach, Ray Henderson, Dustin Braddock, Ed Scott before he developed into the second coming of Will Solomon. While I appreciate what those individuals did as Tigers, to pretend like they were on par with Booker's supporting cast is fallacious.

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List is hot garbage without


Feb 16, 2022, 10:02 AM

Adam Allanspach.

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Let me correct that:


Feb 16, 2022, 10:18 AM

David Potter

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Re: List is hot garbage without


Feb 16, 2022, 10:36 AM [ in reply to List is hot garbage without ]

Pasha Bains should be in there somewhere.

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Sorry, but before Allenspach there was Frank Tomera***


Feb 16, 2022, 11:58 AM [ in reply to List is hot garbage without ]



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Re: 1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:


Feb 16, 2022, 10:07 AM

Will Solomon was terrible and an even worse human being, got in trouble for breaking into apartments and stealing lap tops…. Dude was the epitome of the saying, every bad team has a best player, his teams were some of the worst in school history. Give me Oglesby as a shooting guard over that dude 10/10 times.

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Feb 16, 2022, 10:14 AM

Heck give me KC Rivers over Solomon, better player, shooter and leader. Actually carried his teams to wins.

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Several I'd take over TO:


Feb 16, 2022, 10:14 AM [ in reply to Re: 1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams: ]

KC Rivers, Gabe Devoe, Marquisse Reed...

Skip Wise wasn't the greatest human being either.

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If only we didn’t compete with teams whose personnel looks


Feb 16, 2022, 10:08 AM

... like those teams every single year.

Recruiting is, and always has been the key. Or for us ... the missing link.

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Re: 1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:


Feb 16, 2022, 10:09 AM

I would take those groups to New York for the ACC tournament. Great picks.

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Feb 16, 2022, 10:33 AM

The bigger question is who would coach them?

Brownell - no way - it would look terrible to have Grant, Buckner, Tree, Campbell, Davis and Nance running away from offensive rebounds.

OP - Similarly he would take excellent post play and have them running around at the hash.

Barnes - Maybe but he would leave before they made a dent in the ACC

Shyatt - just no words - except that he would have Solomon shoot everytime thereby negating all the other talent.

Ellis - he already phucked it up with several of these guys - so no

Foster - LOL he tried to copy Dean's 4 corners with the PAWS (as in pause)- we managed to turn it over quite a bit pawsing!

Tates Locke........LOL He%% no....

thus the modern history of Clemson Basketball.

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Feb 16, 2022, 10:34 AM

I would take Chris Whitney over Terrell McIntire any day. Way better. That guy was even in the NBA for 11 years.

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Just going by time at Clemson.***


Feb 16, 2022, 10:48 AM



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Re: Just going by time at Clemson.***


Feb 16, 2022, 11:46 AM

In 2011 Clemson University made their all time top 25 list. You got to have these players at top of your list. Since the mid 90s have to have Buckner, McIntyre, and Booker on their for leading their teams to three straight NCAATs (only times) and over all numbers at Clemson:

https://clemsontigers.com/clemson-unveils-25-member-all-time-mens-basketball-team/


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I would have to have Demontez Stitt in the mix at one of


Feb 16, 2022, 11:18 AM

the guard spots. Kid could flat out play and made others around him better too.

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Yep, and Shelton Mitchell is another great PG I left off.***


Feb 16, 2022, 11:21 AM



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Grayson Marshall If we need another candidate at PG***


Feb 16, 2022, 1:41 PM



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The Mad Bomber, Terrance Oglesby, would have to be a


Feb 16, 2022, 11:24 AM

shooting guard for me on one of those teams.

I would cringe about putting Billy Williams on my all time team, just because of..you know, you know?

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No...I don't know...tell me!***


Feb 16, 2022, 11:33 AM



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Well, you know, he, you know, used the phrase "you know"


Feb 16, 2022, 12:47 PM

you know, about, you know, 60 times in a, you know, 60 second, you know, interview. Probably the most "cringe worthy" interview that has ever been done with a Clemson athlete.

Regardless of that, I personally think Oglesby was a better shooter. THAT is why he would bump either Williams or the other shooting guard off the list.

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TO would be on my 5th or 6th team with so many other good


Feb 16, 2022, 11:38 AM [ in reply to The Mad Bomber, Terrance Oglesby, would have to be a ]

guards.

Why no Williams?

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Re: 1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:


Feb 16, 2022, 11:48 AM

Terrell McIntyre
Merl Code
Harold Jamison
Iker Iturbe
Tom Wideman

IDGAF this is my team.

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That front line would put a hurting on people physically.***


Feb 16, 2022, 11:57 AM



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With three would still be on the court at the court


Feb 16, 2022, 1:43 PM

at the end of the game in a Chapel Hill?

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Re: That front line would put a hurting on people physically.***


Feb 16, 2022, 1:43 PM [ in reply to That front line would put a hurting on people physically.*** ]

yeah, they were all on the same team.

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Im sure Brownell could coach either one of those teams to the1st round of the NIT***


Feb 16, 2022, 11:59 AM



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That’s a bit harsh ... when Brownell,has had guys like that


Feb 16, 2022, 1:47 PM

He did well.

He coached a team similar to those to the cusp of the Elite Eight.

Recruiting is the key. Coaching great players is not the issue.

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Re: 1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:


Feb 16, 2022, 4:48 PM

Banks McFadden, an all American in football and basketball

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Re: 1st and 2nd All Time Clemson basketball teams:


Feb 16, 2022, 7:36 PM

Hey you forgot Pete Maravich.....Oh Press took the job at LSU instead.

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He coached at NC State first before going to LSU.


Feb 17, 2022, 11:06 AM

Pete was never going to be allowed to play anywhere in the ACC because his SAT score wasn’t high enough for then existing conference requirements.

His dad was determined to be Pete’s coach no matter what it took.

LSU and the SEC didn’t emphasize academics for athletes at a time when the ACC had actually raised the requirements. The ACC entry threshold was higher than any major conference.

This crippled our football program for well over a decade and kept us from having Pete Maravich in a Tiger basketball uniform.

Yet another way that being in the ACC has hurt Clemson sports over the years.

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Feb 17, 2022, 1:38 AM

Larry Nance not on the first team? Whatcha been smokin' ?

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Clemson career not NBA.***


Feb 17, 2022, 8:26 AM



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Re: Clemson career not NBA.***


Feb 17, 2022, 8:45 AM

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Yeah, what are evaluating it on? Just like how they played? Are you looking at overall numbers for carrer where they rank as far as scoring, rebounding, blocks, steals? And also what they accomplished on the team? How many NCAATs they went too, 1st team All- ACC? How many years All-ACC or were they an All-American?

Larry Nance is definitely on top 10, but how can you leave Trevor Booker off top 10? Only second player at Clemson to score over 1500 pts and 1000 rebounds, 250 blocks with Tree Rollins, 3 NCAATs, two time All-ACC, two time ACC All Defenseive team..

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What front line player would you drop for Trevor? Maybe drop


Feb 17, 2022, 9:04 AM

Dale Davis?


https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dale-davis-1.html


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Re: What front line player would you drop for Trevor? Maybe drop


Feb 17, 2022, 9:09 AM

It would be close. I guess with all the great big men Clemson has had and you are doing it by position, it is tough. I would at least have him at number 11. If you were doing it by non position he would be on it. Larry was a great player but never was a 1st team All-ACC so you could argue that, but it's debatable.

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Skip wasn't a PG


Feb 17, 2022, 8:49 AM

Put Skip 1st team SG and drop Williams to 2nd team. PG's are McIntyre and Grayson Marshall. Drop Solomon

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Yes he was. Van Gregg was the starting shooting guard. No


Feb 17, 2022, 9:01 AM

way Gregg could play point. Now, Jo Jo Bethea played point while in the game I think. Skip played both positions I think.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/clemson/1975.html

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Re: Skip wasn't a PG


Feb 17, 2022, 9:01 AM [ in reply to Skip wasn't a PG ]

Here is what the University shows of the top 25 who they feel are the primary players in the top 25:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jpK_7LYM6w8

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No footage of Skip Wise other than a 2 second blip of him


Feb 17, 2022, 10:12 AM

celebrating after a shot.

Well, at least this proves he existed and isn’t just a figment of our imagination.

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Re: No footage of Skip Wise other than a 2 second blip of him


Feb 17, 2022, 10:25 AM

DueWest said:

celebrating after a shot.

Well, at least this proves he existed and isn’t just a figment of our imagination.



Here is a highlight. vs top 20 Penn in IPTAY Tourney in 74:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQZsEq8tMOA

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Nice find! There has to be a lot more like this somewhere.


Feb 17, 2022, 10:55 AM

Wise could control a game by himself. We all believed we were witnessing the moment that Clemson basketball turned the corner.

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Feb 17, 2022, 7:06 PM

Dating myself, but who remembers Butch Zatazelo?

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