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Re: Soros
Dec 4, 2021, 3:26 PM
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I actually kind of admire the guy.
He's sort of a nagging do-gooder and a lot of the organizations his Open Society Foundations "helps" think he meddles and micromanages too much - like Doctors Without Borders, for instance, I got an earful from a friend of mine - but the dude tries to do the right thing and he's put his money where his mouth is and donated about $32 billion of his almost $40-billion fortune. He's trying to leave a legacy and he's trying to leave the world better than he found it.
You can fault his politics - he's just Some Guy, after all, and his opinions are going to be as biased and flawed as anyone's - but his heart is in the right place and the vicious slander that's pointed at him was largely the invention of Viktor Orban - who wrecked democracy in Hungary, and is no stranger to lies Big and Little himself - and those lies sort of percolated seamlessly into the increasingly global (which is kind of hilarious) right-wing media ecosystem.
He thinks he's using his money for good. Anybody who regards him as the "face of evil" - as some lunatics have posted in here - need a new set of glasses. (I even heard one poster here refer to him as a "Nazi", which is incredibly...ironic.)
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LOL of course you do
Dec 4, 2021, 3:29 PM
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LOL
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Re: Soros
Dec 4, 2021, 3:31 PM
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This is exactly... to a T... what I expected you to respond.
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Re: Soros
Dec 4, 2021, 3:42 PM
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Then tell me where I'm wrong...without citing some QAnon documentary.
I await with breathless anticipation. Again, I don't necessarily support the same causes he does and he's assuredly a knee-jerk liberal, but anybody who sees him as a string-pulling Machiavelli is a full '####.
Bad guys build empires, compulsively, and hoard it like Gollum, they don't give their fortunes away.
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Re: Soros
Dec 4, 2021, 4:09 PM
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Who does anything that they think is absolutely evil?
AlQaeda- no
Hitler- no
Stalin- no
North Korea- no
They are all just driving towards their vision of “doing the right thing” to make the world better.
It’s no surprise you have a soft spot for this guy and explain away how he’s just an “Aw shucks fellas, I’m just trying to do good” kind of guy. It’s what I expected from you. That’s all.
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But he gave away billions!
Dec 4, 2021, 4:14 PM
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how will he survive on his remaining billions for the last couple of years of his life. How will his poor children survive with only a few billion to split???
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Re: But he gave away billions!
Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 PM
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Exactly! If he cares so little about his own family than to give away the vast bulk of their inheritance, he must be an evil monster!
He gives the creeps to little kids. That's why they're scared to look under there beds at night.
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Re: Soros
Dec 4, 2021, 9:42 PM
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So you got nothing. You're just going to historically misappropriate the Nazis - against a guy who literally survived the Holocaust, no less - and then TD me like a pu$$y.
It's exactly what I expected from the fourth-rate mental midgets on this thread, frankly.
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Re: Soros
Dec 5, 2021, 10:27 PM
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They rarely have any substance to their BS. Just another Trumpkin talking outta his @$$ and getting embarrassed when he's called out on it.
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Re: Soros
Dec 5, 2021, 10:27 PM
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Oh yeah, I forgot. LOL.
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Re: Soros
Dec 6, 2021, 8:50 AM
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First of all, you mud slinging pu$$y, I have never TD anyone in the lunge or P&R. Ever. I reserve my TD’s exclusively for coot trolls in the mange. Secondly you are acting a lot like Cat these days calling people names in every other sentence instead of arguing your point. It’s not a good look.
You didn’t get into his actual politics other than saying he’s a knee jerk liberal and you don’t “necessarily” agree with him. So I didn’t get into the politics either. You kept leaning heavy on the sentiment that he “thinks” he’s doing good. My point is simply everyone thinks they are doing some good... even the most evil among us- so that doesn’t give him any pass. I think he is more in line with the communist mindset than a liberal and I think he has financially destroyed a lot of people to earn his wealth and that’s about it.
I may have been naive, but before I had heard of Soros, I thought our systems were less vulnerable to his brand of medaling. I see it as more of an eye opening revelation to me vs some Machiavellian mastermind.
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Re: Soros
Dec 6, 2021, 10:41 AM
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So what you're saying is that Soros is a big time communist who made his fortune through capitalism. Correct.
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Re: Soros
Dec 6, 2021, 1:26 PM
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The Nazis did not think they were doing good. It's what annoys me most about you Fox News watchers, you seemingly know nothing about history.
The Nazis were Nietzscheans. They thought they were above good and evil because they were members of the Master Race, the natural inheritors of the Earth, and that it was not just the right but the duty of the strong to prey upon the unworthy weak. They just regarded themselves as the world's apex predators...which is why they so loved slapping eagle and wolf emblems on everything.
Their philosophy was very simple: take what they wanted, whatever it was and whatever it took, and use the Big Lie to confuse and divide their enemies. If you were stupid enough to believe their lies, you deserved to get played.
In their mind there was no good or no evil, no right or wrong, no truth or justice. Those were the of the foolish notions of the "slave morality" held by lesser races to protect them against the strong. It's that nihilistic repudiation of morality (these were the same guys who said "God is dead", remember), that made them so freaking evil.
That's where Soros came from. The dude has seen evil up close, and his actions are...an obvious response to it. (He actually comes across as having a massive case of survivor's guilt, to me, anyhow.)
Soros has been an annoying, relentlessly overnice Mr. Rogers-type do-gooder for 40+ years on the world stage. A lot of the lies now told about him were the direct invention of other Fascists...like Viktor Orban, who are very fond of the Big Lie themselves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/world/europe/soros-hungary-central-european-university.html
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Re: Soros
Dec 6, 2021, 2:25 PM
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So for Nazi’s, race cleansing Wasn’t a good thing?
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Re: Soros
Dec 6, 2021, 3:22 PM
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They were contemptuous of the very word "good" and anybody who believed in it. Their philosophy was basically to be a pure predator, almost a political orientation organized around psychopathy. No morality. No truth. No mercy. No fear. No "weak" human feelings that so tainted the lesser races. Just hunger, anger, relentlessness...and with that, came inevitable victory. The perfect man was one without pity, without a moral compass, an Aryan predator who felt nothing but desire and satiation.
That was their definition of the "uberman".
As you move from left to right the concept of "greater good" gets less and less, the emphasis on individual rights and freedoms greater and greater, until by the time you hit the far right the idea of "goodness" is almost a dirty word and it's all about the exaltation of a singular individual...the "uberman". (Or a king. Or a pharoah who thinks he's a god. You get the idea.)
Communists take that to the opposite extreme, until the concept of "greater good" is so overwhelming the individual means absolutely nothing, that all people all ultimately coins to be spent in the service to the "greater good" without any thought to the right of the individual...and the "thought police" exist solely to rub out anyone whose political ideology is less than perfect.
I would say the key lies in balance, yes, between a healthy balance between "goodness" and "freedom"?
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Re: Soros
Dec 5, 2021, 6:43 PM
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Yeah, he's got a background that none of us can relate to. But, having his PAC get down into the details of local elections seems a bit over the top.
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Re: Soros
Dec 6, 2021, 7:15 AM
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I agree. He's a knee-jerk liberal and that's classic Soros. He's never far behind the trendy causes. My guess would be he perceived her as being "bullied by the right" and in classic Soros fashion, along he comes with a motherhuge check.
I honestly question how effective all this "charity" is though. My main beef with libs is they like to throw money at stuff for very limited (or counterproductive) results...you regard them as "evil", which bemuses me, I have the old attitude that good intentions are not the same as good results and throwing money at a problem does not necessarily solve it and may in fact make it worse. Soros often seems to prove that; he couldn't even stop Victor Orban from taking power in Hungary and he spent how many billions trying to push back that tide?
The man has good intentions, and there's no doubt his Open Society Foundations does a lot of boots-on-the-ground good in the third world, and the irony there is there's a ton of overlap between various church outreaches and Open Society. In places where there's groups of Americans doing charity work, the ironic part is most of them are either getting their salaries paid by Soros...or by some church foundation. (I was reading this entertaining story about this one village full of American expats who were all church missionaries, Soros-paid lefty do-gooders...or CIA agents pretending to be journalists.) You wanna know where that archetype of the sandal-wearing crunchy-granola missionary came from, there you go.
It's trite, but there are good people on both the left and right.
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This is how the communists let their brownshirts go out
Dec 5, 2021, 8:52 PM
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and intimidate the public without fear of prosecution
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Re: This is how the communists let their brownshirts go out
Dec 6, 2021, 7:05 AM
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The "Brownshirts" were the Nazi SA, you ####...the forerunners of the even more sinister SS. They were out to exterminate the Communists, especially the Russians, who they regarded as subhuman, and take their land for "living space" for the Master Race.
They were genocidal Fascists. They were not trying to make the world an idyllic worker's paradise.
Considering they killed millions - and were certainly trying to kill everyone of Soros's ethnicity - you might wanna correctly learn that little history lesson so many others died for. (Little things like the Holocaust, you know.)
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Re: This is how the communists let their brownshirts go out
Dec 6, 2021, 8:33 AM
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this reads like a Jordan Klepper interview, please don't stop.
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What if Soros and the Koch brothers...
Dec 6, 2021, 7:58 AM
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Just have a side bet to see which of them can stir up the most conspiracy nutjob theories about themselves from each side of wingnuts?
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Re: What if Soros and the Koch brothers...
Dec 6, 2021, 8:28 AM
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The difference is that the Koch Brothers are legitimately guilty of a lot of stuff people accuse them of. They're basically the modern equivalent of Big Tobacco, who one and all put their hands in the air and claimed cigarettes did not cause cancer and that nicotine was not addictive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ZDQKq2F08
Gas doesn't cause climate change. In fact, there is no such thing as climate change. I'll let Bob Inglis explain it. Man, does anybody remember when Republicans were like this...and actually believed in things like free markets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ZHe4PZ6jk
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