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Orange Blooded [2155]
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Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 8, 2022, 5:21 PM
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Are you also vegetarian and against the slaughtering of god's creatures to fill your bellies?
Or did god create these animals just for your pleasure?
Seems like if god created everything in the beginning to live harmoniously, you should be against the murder of any living thing.
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Oculus Spirit [78884]
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IDK, but all the political adds on Chicago tv
Nov 8, 2022, 5:23 PM
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mentioned abortion and there were lots of them
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All-TigerNet [11946]
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Christianity teaches
Nov 8, 2022, 5:33 PM
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that people alone are created in God's image and endowed with an eternal soul.
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 8, 2022, 6:19 PM
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You've taken a simplistic view. Let's expand a little bit.
Are animals who eat other animal / animal-like beings evil?
Hogs, poultry, fish, shrimp, cattle (inadvertently, but they end up eating bugs), elephants, on and on and on. They all eat other living things, and also get eaten by other animals.
Should evil animals be given the 'right' to be excluded from the food chain?
Humans have been allowed by nature (i.e., by God) to be able to eat other creatures for the betterment of their own health. Yet people still occasionally get 'eaten' to some degree that leads to their earthly demise (i.e., via bacterial and viral infections ... e.g., from living things).
Humans are not unique in this 'relatively rarely eaten' category; wolves, mosquitos, etc. etc. belong in this category with humans.
Does God hate the animals for eating other animals? No.
Does God expect the animals to not eat other animals? No.
Does God hate humans for eating other animals? No.
Does God expect humans to not eat other animals? No.
Vegetarianism is fine as a person's individual choice. However, to my (admittedly far-from-complete) understanding, there are not any writings or hieroglyphics that established any preference from God to favor those humans who commit to the vegetarian diet versus those humans who practice the omnivorous diet.
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 8, 2022, 8:47 PM
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The circle of life. Yes I've seen the lion king 
My point is god didn't intend it to be that way.
In the beginning god supposedly created us and the animals to live together in peace and eat plants only.
Also, why do Christians not hold the life of all creatures as dear as that of a human?
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 10, 2022, 10:32 AM
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The Bible suggest that Daniel was a vegetarian, if I'm remembering correctly.
I remember Daniel turning away the King's food and rather than simply refusing to obey the King's decree he negotiated a period of time when he could eat other than what the decree demanded. Daniel appeared to be in better health than those who obeyed the decree.
Yourshack, Myshack and Abungalow, ate what Daniel ate and proved the diet, if I'm remembering correctly. (IIARC) Not sure that's how you spell the names of Daniel's friends.
This is recorded in the first few chapters of Daniel, IIARC.
Christ taught that it's not what goes into the mouth which defiles a man but that which comes out of his mouth for our words come from our heart. Paul taught us to eat what we want but not when it offends a spiritually younger brother.
I'm looking forward to the OP telling how great his turkey shaped tofu, mashed taters minus milk, greenbeans seasoned with canola oil, biscuts and gravy made without milk or butter and his ice tea were the day after thanksgiving in which he thanked himself for all the blessings he wroth throughout the past year.
Yes, The Big Dog, I too can troll.
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 10, 2022, 1:20 PM
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I'll be eating plenty of fried turkey and deer meat.
I've just never understood why evangelicals fight so hard against abortion but have no problem with the slaughter of any other of god's creatures.
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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I acknowledge that animals, like babies, are innocent.
Nov 11, 2022, 9:57 AM
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Your point is valid that sacrificing animals was brutal but it displays God's hate for sin. God so hates sin that He slayed His Only Son to hide sin, to take it where even The Almighty could not see it anymore.
That is the entire reason for the shedding of blood. One of the desperately evil things the Children of Israel (COI) did was to sacrifice their children to man made gods. Those gods never saved them from the righteous wrath of The LORD.
When the heathen were slaughtered it was The LORD's way of ridding the land of the evil of such wickedness. The COI were only conquers when they obeyed God and served Him. Their entire story was told and kept to show us the repercussions of sin, that which offends The Holy God.
I can testify that a man reaps what he sows. Planting corn and expecting tomatoes is a fool's folly. Planting sin in your life and hoping for a dry long hot dry summer season to prevent the fruit of sin is nonsense because you will all too soon see the rain and Sun work together to ensure your season of harvest is painful, sorrowful and long. I'm 70 and still asking 'When will it end?'
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 9, 2022, 9:36 AM
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God gave man dominion over animals even to the point of being responsible to give each species a name.
While Adam did a spectacular job of naming most critters it's clear he just mailed this one in:
Since animal sacrifice, on God's orders, daily reminded the Hebrews that a Savior was coming perhaps you should talk to God about your confusion and unusual inability to distinguish between man and beast.
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 9, 2022, 12:15 PM
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Seems barbaric.
Why would someone want a poor little animal slaughtered for them?
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 9, 2022, 7:29 PM
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I'll shift the discussion a bit to the sacrifice side, which I find to be an interesting historical and psychological topic.
I've got no citations to back this up, but there does seem to be a difference between giving something vs. demanding something.
People sacrifice all the time for friends, children, family, work, etc., for a variety of reasons. They give of their time, their money, etc.
The other end of that spectrum would be a god who demands sacrifice, for whatever reason. I know it goes way way back, before even written records, so there can only be speculation on why it began. But there is evidence of it being worldwide, across many religions. Might be a future post topic some day if I can find enough interesting stuff on it.
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Re: Question for those of you who want abortion outlawed
Nov 9, 2022, 8:10 PM
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An interesting side as it relates to Judaism/Christianity is that its origin not addressed. It doesn't seemed to have occurred or even been expected, in the Garden of Eden.
Once Adam and Eve are booted, Cain and Abel are then suddenly bringing sacrifices to God, presumably because of the sins of Adam and Eve, and their own nature if you believe in Original Sin.
But sacrifice is not really addressed in detail, at that point, at all, as far as I recall. It just sort of appears.
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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Ooo, ooo, I NO, I NO!
Nov 10, 2022, 8:07 AM
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God promised a Messiah to Adam and Eve during the forbidden fruit interview. They did not have the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit to constantly remind them that the blood of God's Christ would wash away their sin. Animals were sacrificed to that end.
I told you we all judge God daily and this question was just another of you daily judgements. You seek to find reasons to accuse Him and you're getting pretty good at it. I'm just sorry for you that you always find Him unjust.
We all do that. We all judge God every day. The difference in you and me is that I always proclaim Him just, faithful, Holy, loving, regarding of me, righteous, merciful, filled with truth, understanding, wisdom, all powerful, all knowing and able to meet any and all needs with sufficiency, virtuous, Holy, did I say Holy again? Holy.
On that day all will make this declaration.
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So you’re anti-vax?***
Nov 9, 2022, 8:26 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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That's brutal, only a true vegan could have penned that.***
Nov 10, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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Imo, your focus is too heavily on consumption of flesh...
Nov 10, 2022, 10:15 AM
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and rather that continue to accuse you let me describe one of the ways I have benefited from the death of animals.
I take medications which were first tested on animals and which resulted in the deaths off all tested, whether the medications killed them or whether they were put to death as a method of disposal when they were no longer useful as test subjects.
I hope I'm not riding this high horse to death.
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