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Rock Defender [53]
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I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Re: I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Are they not being nice to DADDY?
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Re: I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Re: I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 11:35 AM
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It would be nice if DADDY would grow a pair of balls and march into these hearings and set the record straight like Hillary did with Benghazi. Why is Trump hiding and pulling out all the stops to keep himself and his people from setting the record straight like Hillary did? Why isn't he jumping at the chance to slap Adam and Liz around like Hillary did to Gowdy and company?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Like Hillary did with Benghazi?
Jun 13, 2022, 11:39 AM
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Re: Like Hillary did with Benghazi?
Jun 13, 2022, 11:41 AM
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God she’s terrible
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Re: Like Hillary did with Benghazi?
Jun 13, 2022, 11:47 AM
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Why did Hillary agree to testify, while DADDY is hiding and doing everything he can to avoid being put under oath? Waiting
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Re: Like Hillary did with Benghazi?
Jun 13, 2022, 9:59 PM
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Would you waste time on something you know to be BS anyway?
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Re: Like Hillary did with Benghazi?
Jun 14, 2022, 7:12 AM
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Weak AF and shows how pathetic you guys have become. MUST PROTECT DADDY. Hillary had the balls to testify under oath. DADDY is doing everything he can to prevent himself and his inner circle from doing just that. Why is that?
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Re: I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 11:25 AM
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They are really about showing us how the democrats saved our democracy.
With them now running the White House, senate, and the house; our country could not be in better hands.
We are finally seeing the liberal utopia that they have been promising.
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Rock Defender [53]
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^^^^ nailed it***
Jun 13, 2022, 11:32 AM
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Here's what this is about ...
Jun 13, 2022, 12:06 PM
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TRUMP BAD!
They'll find a law ("connect the dots") or laws to fit the narrative if it kills them.
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Oculus Spirit [97676]
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Complete list of accomplishments from Congressional hearings
Jun 13, 2022, 12:15 PM
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There are so many magnificent accomplishments from Congressional hearings over the years, below is a complete list of all of them. In chronological order.
/endlist
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All-In [34100]
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I'm impressed that you're watching***
Jun 13, 2022, 12:22 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: I'm impressed that you're watching***
Jun 13, 2022, 12:45 PM
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Re: I'm impressed that you're watching***
Jun 13, 2022, 2:16 PM
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came on fox
I'm sure you did. Stick with Fox: they're the only ones who will jerk you off with bad economic news to make watching the hearings easier.
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Re: I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 12:43 PM
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Guys, it is a simple question I have posted as well.
What did Trump do that was illegal or even in the gray zone? It's not a smart-a$$ question - it's a legit common sense question.
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Re: I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 12:48 PM
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He had the audacity to be a Republican.
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Re: I thought these hearings were supposed to be about
Jun 13, 2022, 1:42 PM
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That's not illegal. Yet 
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This isn't a criminal trial, right?
Jun 13, 2022, 2:11 PM
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It's just a hearing, which in a literal sense, is just to make things heard. I suppose if something said in the hearing piques the interest of the Justice Department, we could see charges brought against somebody.
I don't think the goal is to try the President for any supposed crime. I hope that's not what they're trying to do, anyway.
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It's to make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen again.
Jun 13, 2022, 2:22 PM
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The goal isn't a mystery. It was stated on day one.
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Re: It's to make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen again.
Jun 13, 2022, 2:35 PM
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I'll speak only for myself...
Jun 13, 2022, 2:38 PM
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I'm not moving any goalposts, except ones you placed for me, apparently.
I have not at any point advocated for the President being charged with a crime related to 1/6/21. You must have me mistaken for another poster.
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Re: I'll speak only for myself...
Jun 13, 2022, 2:44 PM
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Re: I'll speak only for myself...
Jun 13, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Like Prod, I also never set some other goalposts. I highly doubt Trump is getting arrested for anything.
Here's how Liz Cheney concluded her opening statement on the first day of the hearings:
"The sacred obligation to defend this peaceful transfer of power has been honored by every American president except one. As Americans, we all have a duty to ensure that what happened on January 6th never happens again, to set aside partisan battles, to stand together to perpetuate and preserve our great republic. Thank you, Mr. Chairman."
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Re: I'll speak only for myself...
Jun 13, 2022, 3:08 PM
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How are you being browbeaten?
Jun 13, 2022, 3:17 PM
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You have the choice to watch it, or not.
Some people may find it interesting and informative. You are not one of those people. There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't even have live TV, so I definitely have not watched it (not that I would, even if I did have TV). I just peruse the usual news websites once a day or so to see if anything interesting has come up.
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Re: How are you being browbeaten?
Jun 13, 2022, 3:37 PM
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Prod: In case you're interested, you can watch the whole thing here. Go to the 48-minute mark; it started late because a witness had a family emergency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jblC2Ooog2U
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You keep saying that they don’t have anything or else
Jun 13, 2022, 3:22 PM
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they would’ve said so by now.
Again, the committee has been gathering testimony and other pieces of evidence for the last 10 months. These hearings are the vehicle for sharing that information.
You seem to expect them to show the world all of their evidence on day one, and since they didn’t, you assume that they don’t have anything.
I’ll ask what I did the other day: do you really think they would have multiple days of hearings, airing some of them during prime time, if they had nothing?
I don’t.
Logic dictates that they do have something, which is why many people are making this such a big deal.
Is there anything they can share that would cause you to change your mind about Trump, the election, or 1/6? Be honest.
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Re: You keep saying that they don’t have anything or else
Jun 13, 2022, 3:43 PM
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I think they will clearly show that Trump proceeded in repeating the lie
Jun 13, 2022, 5:24 PM
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that the election was fraudulent and stolen, despite those close to him repeatedly telling him that it was not, while obtaining little to no evidence on his own to support his outlandish claims.
Of course I expect you and others here to say that you disagree, because you are all about partisan politics over truth.
I won’t be surprised if the committee also lays out a link between Trump’s specific words and actions from Election Day (or possibly even prior to it) and what happened on January 6. I don’t see how they can pin the invasion of the Capitol 100% on him, but they will show that he played a significant role in it as President and highly influential leader. They will show that he is partly responsible for the insurrection.
This is the most likely outcome from the hearings, and one that a majority of Americans will conclude along with the committee.
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Re: I think they will clearly show that Trump proceeded in repeating the lie
Jun 13, 2022, 5:35 PM
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I already know all that happened and I haven’t watched
Jun 13, 2022, 8:22 PM
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a minute of this hearing. Either they have concrete evidence that can be used to charge someone of something immediately after this is over, or this is all pointless. I’ll start caring when someone gets arrested. Otherwise, this is all a rehashing of stuff we already know. Of course Trump was the root cause of the 1/6 invasion for all of his lies leading up to it. But I don’t think that’s a crime. And he can’t be impeached since he’s not in office. So I’m not exactly sure what the point is. If he was in office, I would care more because even if he did stuff that wasn’t illegal, it could be impeachable, but that’s not the case anymore. So far I haven’t heard anything in the news that I didn’t already know, and unless someone’s getting arrested, this whole thing is pointless.
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Re: I think they will clearly show that Trump proceeded in repeating the lie
Jun 13, 2022, 10:13 PM
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They most certainly can blame the invasion of the capital 100% on Trump. If he doesn't knowingly lie to the country, the insurrection and assassination attempt on the VPOTUS does not happen. Prove me wrong.
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Re: I think they will clearly show that Trump proceeded in repeating the lie
Jun 13, 2022, 10:30 PM
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Re: I think they will clearly show that Trump proceeded in repeating the lie
Jun 13, 2022, 10:34 PM
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If you can tie them directly the same way I can tie Trump to the insurrection, then go for it. As for Schumer, what lie did he propogate and show me the tweets where he summoned everyone to Kavanaugh's house, and did he hold a pep rally that the perp attended just prior to going over there. I'll wait.
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I think it’s a tough sell to hold Trump accountable for what some of his crazy followers did.
Jun 13, 2022, 11:21 PM
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That’s getting into mind control/cult type stuff. We know that he was highly influential, especially with how consistently he lied for months about the election being stolen. But absent him telling them to storm the Capitol and be violent, or without testimony that he intended for that insurrection to happen, it’s going to be hard to blame him solely for all of this.
Again, I do think he is mostly to blame, but at some point the Proud Boys and others have to be treated like individuals who made their own decisions and not merely robots who did what Trump wanted them to do.
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Stop right there - ensure what exactly never happens again?
Jun 13, 2022, 6:12 PM
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If we want to ensure a mob never breaches security and gains entry into the capitol again, that's very, very simple and easy, and has been from day one. Have adequate security. This was a complete and total failure of whoever was in charge of providing security and protection for those inside the capitol that day. Every bit as much time and effort should be put into openly and publicly analyzing and resolving that, and holding those at fault accountable as has been put into the current hearings (it wouln't be nearly as drawn out).
If you want to ensure that no other person, even if it's the sitting president, questions the validity of an election, you can't, and never will. The transfer of power in 2020 did take place, pretty much right on schedule. The only disruption that ocurred did so because there was not adequate security. Once that was cleared up, in a matter of hours, the wheels kept right on turning. The election was never, ever in danger that day. The process worked. Better security, and there would not have been a hitch. Unfortunately, a lot of people believed a lie, but that's not illegal, nor is it policeable, or preventable.
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In other words, the purpose of these hearings and having
Jun 13, 2022, 6:47 PM
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it broadcast in prime-time is not to ensure that a president never questions or challenges an election again (impossible), or that a president never lies or promotes false, dangerous ideas again (impossible), or that a mob never believes lies and questions the legitimacy of am election again (impossible), or that such a mob never storms the capitol or endangers elected officials in such a way again (impossible).
The purpose of these hearings is to, once and for all, try to make the point that Donald Trump lost the election, and all of his protestations to the contrary were not only a big lie, but foolish and dangerous. This is all about Donald Trump and his followers who still believe the lie, and what can be gained politically from demonstrating how wrong they were and are. It will be effective only to the extent the American people consider it important relative to other issues they feel are important.
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You're unclear about the relationship between the attack on
Jun 13, 2022, 3:16 PM
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the Capitol and the legitimacy of the 2020 election?
You see, Trump's rally was called "Stop the Steal" - meaning we should stop Biden from stealing the election - and the purpose of the attack was to stop Biden from being certified as the winner of the election.
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Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 13, 2022, 3:54 PM
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The fact that they all knew it was bs is kinda important. On a related note, how many of y'all got duped into giving Trump money? $250M and none of it went to legal defense, that's gotta be embarrassing.
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Re: Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 13, 2022, 4:13 PM
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110%er [7190]
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So how much of your money did he get?
Jun 13, 2022, 5:02 PM
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And yes, they're connecting the dots from he knew he lost but kept up the lies to the John Eastman plans to the Jan 6 rally to pressuring Pence to recuse himself or go along with the alternative electors plot. I enjoy how you're simultaneously upset that they're investigating things that didn't happen on Jan 6 and demanding that they show how Trump caused what happened.
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Re: So how much of your money did he get?
Jun 13, 2022, 5:08 PM
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Hillary, as much as I dislike her, gets credit for not causing
Jun 13, 2022, 5:51 PM
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violence inside the Capitol when she didn’t like the election results.
However, she and her camp doubted the election results in 2016 and came up with an unfounded Russian interference lie, so in Trump’s defense a precedent for ridiculous election fraud theories was already set four years prior.
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Re: Hillary, as much as I dislike her, gets credit for not causing
Jun 13, 2022, 6:01 PM
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Sorry Judge, I enjoy most of your posts but this one was weak sauce. NO DEFENSE, the evil beeyotch did what was required and conceded! Btw, the FBI started the crossfire hurricane investigation because George Pap. was running his mouth to a friendly foreign government. You can look it up online if you wish.
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Re: Hillary, as much as I dislike her, gets credit for not causing
Jun 13, 2022, 9:11 PM
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She even put country first and showed up at Trumps inauguration. Where was Trump when Biden was being inaugurated?
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Re: Hillary, as much as I dislike her, gets credit for not causing
Jun 13, 2022, 10:32 PM
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Re: Hillary, as much as I dislike her, gets credit for not causing
Jun 14, 2022, 5:37 AM
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Are you not the same person that is spouting about "free speech" in the other JudgeK thread about Trump's actions? As far as Hillary, I remember her conceding and then fading into the background very quickly and then coming back out in 19 and or 20 about the illegitimate president thing. That is a far cry from what we see from Trump to this day who whines about stolen/rigged election with every breath he takes, to the great detriment to the country. To summarize, I detest both of them, but if we are judging who has/is putting "country first", then there is really no comparison.
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Thanks, I didn’t know those details so I’ll read up on it more.
Jun 13, 2022, 11:26 PM
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My point was simply that challenging election results and coming up with ridiculous reasons why the outcome wasn’t what a candidate thought/hoped isn’t new, nor is it unique to Trump.
What is unique to Trump is the continued insistence, despite loads of evidence to the contrary, that the election was stolen, to the point that a peaceful transfer of power was threatened and government officials’ lives were threatened. That was really bad.
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Re: Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 13, 2022, 5:36 PM
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T3 .... the Kellyanne of the board .... (from 18 to 31 minutes on the video is pertinent to this discussion)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS4_Wy5Z66E
That is, when facts become too inconvenient, resort to deflection. Fact is, Trump lied to his people about the election (which he knew he lost based on all the NEW info with all the folks on his team telling him that along with them telling him that there was no significant fraud discovered). I.E. Trump lied to the mob. When other avenues did not work (funny how these innocent congressmen were seeking pardons, tho I'll wait to hear a more on this), he summoned the mob(tweets inviting the mob to DC on the 6th with his speech just happening to end just as congress was convening, "it will be wild" and Bannon knew "all helll would break lose"). He then incited the mob, not just with his words on the 6th but with his actions prior to that, and don't give me this crap that he included "peacefully"(for plausible deniability) as the other 99% was "fight like hell". Then he sent the mob towards the capital. If the result was not his intention, a tweet would have been sent ASAP to stop the violence(not the steal, LOL) or he would have called in the NG on his own. But the NEW info we hear is that he did not and that Mike Pence "deserved hanging". Wow, what a reward for 4 years of TOTAL loyalty. I'll wait tho, to hear a witness say that from his/her own mouth.
Anyway, that said, the DOJ will never be able to connect Proud Boys to Stone/Bannon DIRECTLY to Trump. The inference is there, it's easy, but in true Teflon Don fashion, there will be enough doubt to never even charge him for this, and I don't think the DOJ/Garland has the balls to do it as the negatives(more division/possible violence) outweigh the positives(Trump staying out of politics). However, do these facts make y'all PROUD to be a Trump supporter? Why all the defending of this POS?
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Re: Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 13, 2022, 5:41 PM
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Re: Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 13, 2022, 5:51 PM
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No, that is why I emphasized NEW. There is new info, coming directly from his team and his family. There is NO DEFENSE. It's despicable and I just wish that it was automatically disqualifying, but NOOOO, bunch of dumb azzes will still vote for the idiot. The old guard pubs would have booted his ### out on 1/7, kinda like the Mc's tried to do but then the base said helll no. They should have stuck to their guns and voted to impeach, darn the consequences.
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Re: Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 13, 2022, 6:16 PM
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Re: Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 13, 2022, 6:27 PM
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I've never seen ONE person on this board persuade anyone of anything, which is why I don't bother much anymore. BTW, pot meet kettle with you. Anyway, you say "new info that Trump said the election was stolen". WUT, he said 6 months before the election that if he lost it was because it was rigged or stolen. The NEW info is that MANY in his inner circle told him the TRUTH and he went right ahead with his lies anyway, that several congressmen requested pardons (implying that they KNEW they did something WRONG) and that he said Mike Pence "deserves it (hanging)". Let me guess, this is not enough for you to form a slightly different opinion of the man. Que T3 saying, "I said he was wrong all this time".
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Trump lied, refused to accept the loss, and in response to
Jun 13, 2022, 9:55 PM
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his ridiculous ranting, a pile of his idiot followers refused to accept the outcome of the election as well. Some of those fools turned violent and criminal, and stormed the capitol. Trump was slow to call for an end to the violence and call for calm, and probably reveled in it all. Trump was wrong in all of this. There is no defending any of that; neither T3 or myself have in any way attempted to, but all of that has been known for a long long time. None of that is new. No testimony or evidence is needed.
The NEW info is that MANY in his inner circle told him the TRUTH and he went right ahead with his lies anyway,
That's NOT new info. We have known that some in his inner circle tried to talk sense to him and he didn't want to hear it. Having people testify about it and putting it on primetime TV is new.
that several congressmen requested pardons (implying that they KNEW they did something WRONG)
Sure, that makes Trump look bad, but that he looks bad has already been well established, and it's not illegal. This is not proof that Trump broke any laws, if it's true. So once again, nothing new here.
and that he said Mike Pence "deserves it (hanging)"
Right. Trump is bad. Got it. Nothing new.
Some of the witnesses and stories and testimony we are hearing may be "new", in the sense that we haven't heard the exact incidents or heard them told under testimony, or by the same people or exactly the same way, but they aren't telling us a #### thing about Trump that we all didn't already know - he wrongly refused to accept the outcome of the election, and he perpetuated a lie that inspired a pile of idiots to storm the capitol.
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Re: Trump lied, refused to accept the loss, and in response to
Jun 14, 2022, 6:19 AM
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So, you and I have a big difference in opinion on the definition of new, especially on the Pence thing and you blow right past the issue on the pardons. Saying "Right. Trump is bad. Got it. Nothing new" on the Pence thing just blows my mind! You realize we are talking about a sitting POTUS saying that the sitting VP deserves to be hanged for him following what the Constitution calls for him to do, which is ceremonial at best.
Anyway, I agree with your last line, especially that Trump "inspired a pile of idiots to storm the capitol". I believe they call that INCITEMENT in the legal system, but we both know he will never be held accountable. It used to be that Republicans held their own POLITICALLY accountable at least(see McCarthy, Nixon, etc.). I finally decided to leave the party in early 2021 when it became clear that they weren't going to do the same with Trump.
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Again, what is your point?
Jun 14, 2022, 9:18 AM
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Saying "Right. Trump is bad. Got it. Nothing new" on the Pence thing just blows my mind! You realize we are talking about a sitting POTUS saying that the sitting VP deserves to be hanged for him following what the Constitution calls for him to do, which is ceremonial at best.
I can totally believe that Trump said that. I don't doubt for one second that he did. You go ahead and explain to me what that means, and what it tells us about Trump that we didn't already know. I'll tell YOU:
It doesn't tell us that Trump did anything illegal, or prosecutable. Sorry, saying that someone deserves to hang is not a crime, anywhere in the United States, no matter who says it. It tells us, perhaps, that Trump is a jerk, a POS, an A-hole, etc., but not a criminal. I'd bet that 80% of U.S. presidents have said similar or worse behind closed doors when they never dreamed it would go public. Think LBJ, Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, JFK, FDR, and on and on. Again, this tells us nothing new about Trump, just another incident to confirm what we already knew.
As for the congressmen asking for pardons, let's face that head on. Maybe they did something wrong. Or, maybe they just wanted assurances, just in case. Either way, that's a long way from proving that Trump broke any laws. IF it's true (it has been disputed), there are still several more steps to proving Trump did anything illegal, based on that allegation. Again, not defending him - if he did, nail him; but don't act like this means anything at this point, because it doesn't - it's an allegation that if true, could implicate Trump. Or it may not.
If what Trump did was incitement, then all politicians and leaders throughout history are guilty, because all have said things that fools, crackpots, and bad actors have mistconstrued, and of their own volition, used as an excuse or motivation to commit horrible crimes. Furthermore, all politicians going forward will be essentially muted when it comes to speaking out against anything, lest some crazy person is "incited" and uses it as motivation to commit crimes. Trump was FULLY within his rights to urge his supporters to protest. It would have been illegal, however, for him to encourage them to breach security and violently storm the capitol. To prove that he broke the law and "incited", would require proof that he did not intend the former, and did intend the latter. That will not happen.
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Re: Jan 6 was a big lie rally genius.
Jun 14, 2022, 6:27 AM
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Nope, I meant Q. The rest is not worth responding to other than to say I had seen your posts about safe harbor and I knew another was coming. You ride both sides of the Trump fence like no other on this board. Congrats!
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You think it’s okay for the PRESIDENT to claim election fraud
Jun 13, 2022, 11:30 PM
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when there is no evidence for it?
Every American should have a huge problem with that. It sets a horrible example, and undermines trust in our government and credibility in our elections.
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Re: You think it’s okay for the PRESIDENT to claim election fraud
Jun 14, 2022, 12:31 AM
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The 1st Amendment isn't absolute.
Jun 14, 2022, 9:29 AM
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Slander and libel are illegal. Making death threats or bomb threats are illegal. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence is illegal. Incitement to terrorism is illegal.
If Trump had claimed aliens were taking over Congress, he could be guilty of inducing panic: "Initiating or circulating a report or warning of an alleged or impending fire, explosion, crime, or other catastrophe, knowing that such report or warning is false."
If you don't think he instructed anyone to do anything, then... ok. Some one those insurrectionist clowns disagree.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-trump-dozen-capitol-rioters-trumps-guidance/story?id=75757601
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