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110%er [7402]
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So did we have a relaxed approach regarding masks
Sep 2, 2021, 12:41 AM
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and spacing with our team? Because if so, and then all of a suddenly we don’t tomorrow then you’ll know we indeed have an active case
Not to mention if Davis is a no show for class tomorrow or Friday then the writing will be on the wall
Part of ACC guidelines…..
“Teams above the 85% vaccinated mark are also allowed to relax mitigation strategies during team activities (no masks during team meetings or while traveling), so long as there are no active cases on the team.”
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Answer: Masks don't work.
Sep 2, 2021, 1:08 AM
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Next question.
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Irrelevant to the "we gotta do something" crowd....***
Sep 2, 2021, 1:42 AM
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That article is a year old
Sep 2, 2021, 4:56 AM
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I haven't seen many people wear properly fitted N95 masks or respirators, some wear the knockoff KN95s but most wear surgical or cloth masks.
This is what that article says about those masks.
Surgical masks are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids. They aren’t effective at blocking particles smaller than 100 ?m.
Note: A COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) particle is 0.125 micrometers/microns (?m); influenza virus size is 0.08 – 0.12 ?m; a human hair is about 150 ?m.
Cloth masks and surgical masks help if someone coughs or sneezes in your face, but that is not what is happening, that is not how it is being transferred.
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Re: That article is a year old
Sep 2, 2021, 5:05 AM
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I generally don't wear a mask at all. I just stopped for whatever reason. I don't even own a mask at this point. That said, studies have shown that a properly fitting surgical mask like a dentist wears, is 60% effective approx. They help the spread of the virus, but of course aren't full proof.
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the article that you posted disagrees with you
Sep 2, 2021, 5:21 AM
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it says they are close to worthless and that you need a respirator or properly fitted N95 mask to limit transmission
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Re: the article that you posted disagrees with you
Sep 2, 2021, 5:32 AM
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You should read again.. That said I can give you other articles from John's Hopkiins University, Mayo Clinics, UCSF, etc etc. There is a 100% consensus that they help slow the spread. If you don't want to believe the facts. Thats cool. You don't have to trust the science. That said they help protect others from respitory droplets. I am not insulted that you don't believe. Its become political for some. I am not like that about Covid. I don't even worry about Covid other than how it messes with football season.
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There are plenty of other studies that contradict that 80%.
Sep 2, 2021, 5:25 AM
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I have seen videos where they actually show the testing process and it’s not very effective. They show someone wearing a mask and sneezing and coughing and show how much moisture still gets out and around the mask. And the really small droplets can stay suspended in the air for quite a while, like cigarette smoke.
A lot of credible studies I have seen shown that even the right kind of mask worn properly is only maybe 30% effective and that’s for a limited time. You can’t spend much time in a small confined space with people that have Covid and expect to be protected by a mask.
Airplanes seem to be the exception because they constantly filter air, turning the air over many times an hour, and use HEPA filters.
Last year people were scared to fly, but the data has shown airplanes are the safest confined space.
These are just more examples of how people were overreacting last year and jumping to conclusions and making policy based on fear and speculation, rather than science and data. And they’re doing worse now than last year in many respects, especially regarding Delta. Delta is more contagious, but it is not more deadly. And the CDC data is very clear on that.
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Re: That article is a year old
Sep 2, 2021, 5:08 AM
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The masks help even if someone is talking to you a few feet away. Like I said though, I personally don't wear one. I got vaccinated and I am just going with that and giving people their space.
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space does not help except with people coughing
Sep 2, 2021, 5:27 AM
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in your face, the heavier particles drop out. Covid is aerosol. It floats around the room. 6 feet does nothing to limit transmission. That was sold from the beginning and never changed even though everything else about covid did change.
I had 6 people all vaccinated get covid on the same day. Nobody was coughing or sneezing on anyone.
If you breathe out 10 cubic meters of air there are 10 cubic meters of air in the room. Only heavy particles drop out. Ask pretty much anyone that got covid. They won't remember who was coughing and sneezing in their face.
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Re: space does not help except with people coughing
Sep 2, 2021, 5:33 AM
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Ok...you win.
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This has been covered repeatedly but clearly isn’t sinking in.
Sep 2, 2021, 5:15 AM
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1. The only type of masks that have any effectiveness are true surgical masks and N 95 masks.
2. They only work if you wear them properly.
3. Even when you wear the right type of mask, and wear it properly, meaning it’s properly sized and you’re wearing it correctly, even then studies show limited efficacy. Even Fauci has admitted that when it comes to a virus these masks only have a limited efficacy. There’s no hard data on this. Studies are all over the map. But history has shown us masks are ineffective.
4. Even when they work you cannot be in an enclosed area without ventilation and people with Covid for an extended period of time without becoming infected yourself. Again, because they have limited efficacy.
5. The vast overwhelming majority of people wearing a mask are not wearing a surgical mask or an N 95 mask. They might as well be wearing nothing. All they’re doing is deluding themselves and virtue signaling. They’re being good little serfs!
6. When you go to a hospital and they screen you on entry and give you a one size fits all mask that looks like a surgical mask, but is not, those masks are practically falling off of most peoples’ faces. They are doing absolutely nothing.
I know this for a fact because I’ve been dealing with a medical issue, non-Covid related, and I’ve had two MRIs and a bone biopsy as well as multiple trips to Roper Hospital wound care over the past 12 months. Each time I went to the hospital for an MRI or the biopsy I was giving a one size fits all mask that’s designed for someone that has a head the size of a watermelon. You see people constantly having to pull it up it’s falling off their face. Those masks do absolutely nothing. It’s theater! It’s virtue signaling!
7. You don’t need, nor should you wear, a mask outdoors for numerous medical and health reasons. You’re #### sure don’t need one in a car with someone you live with like I see people doing. And children do not need nor should be wearing a mask at school. Nor should young adults like college students.
8. If you have a vaccine and that vaccine works you don’t need a mask. You also don’t need to be concerned about sick people around you. But the problem is this is not a vaccine. It’s a glorified flu shot. That’s why you need boosters every six months going forward. The science and the data is very clear at this point and it’s only going to get worse!
9. The data shows if you are not vaccinated and have had Covid you are less likely to be infected than someone vaccinated. Natural immunity is superior to a vaccine in several ways, particularly because of the T cell immunity.
Israel is the most aggressively vaccinated country in the world. They also have a young and healthy population compared to Europe and America. Yet the vaccines are showing to be less effective over time and they are having a huge spike in infection rates and hospitalizations despite over 90% of their population being fully vaccinated. A new study out of Israel with 80,000 participants has some pretty shocking data about the vaccines and their limited and declining efficacy.
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Re: This has been covered repeatedly but clearly isn’t sinking in.
Sep 2, 2021, 5:18 AM
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N95 are the most effective, but even the surgical masks are in fact effective, but about 40% less effective. Bandanas and gaiters are supposedly pretty worthless in the studies.
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Re: This has been covered repeatedly but clearly isn’t sinking in.
Sep 2, 2021, 9:27 AM
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If your condom was 40% less effective, would you claim that it is, in fact, effective?
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Re: This has been covered repeatedly but clearly isn’t sinking in.
Sep 2, 2021, 5:22 AM
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As far as the efficacy of the vaccines, all we know is that in the US well over 90% of the people in the ICU units are well over 90% the unvaccinated.
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That is simply not true!
Sep 2, 2021, 9:45 AM
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Re: That is simply not true!
Sep 2, 2021, 9:52 AM
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Its actually fact. Undisputed fact actually.
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this post just solidified that you are living in your own
Sep 2, 2021, 1:19 PM
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reality. must be nice over there.
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First of all, nobody wears N95 masks - just cloth ones
Sep 2, 2021, 10:00 AM
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The linked study says:
All the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lung (SARS-CoV-2 is 0.125 µm)
Thus the "masks don't work" claim.
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110%er [7402]
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Irrelevant to my post - this is about ACC
Sep 2, 2021, 7:21 AM
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Guidelines - which our team has to abide by.
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Shocker..... 20+ posts and none address the f****** question
Sep 2, 2021, 12:56 PM
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which has to do with our team practice procedures because if our procedures have changed in the last couple of days it would be one way to confirm a positive team test as we would be forced to adhere to tighter guidelines per the rules the ACC has for this year.
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