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All-TigerNet [11067]
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Pfizer made more than $100 Billion from COVID
Nov 21, 2022, 8:23 PM
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and those were our tax dollars (those of us actually working for a living). They are using those funds to continue advertising for a "needed COVID Booster" that will be covered by your insurance or our tax dollars.
This is just Pfizer. Follow the $$$
Nothing to see here, move along!
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Lot o points [180994]
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How much did the govt #### away?***
Nov 21, 2022, 8:25 PM
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Re: How much did the govt #### away?***
Nov 23, 2022, 11:08 PM
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Coincidentally nearly 100 billion! To Ukraine!
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Orange Blooded [2638]
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Link?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:39 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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Comes up to about $5k per life saved.
Nov 21, 2022, 9:53 PM
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I dunno. We could have just let them die and we could have gotten a nice tax cut.
Or paid off 6 months of interest on the national debt.
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All-TigerNet [13105]
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lol
Nov 21, 2022, 10:30 PM
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So everyone that got a shot was going to die?
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Re: lol
Nov 22, 2022, 8:06 AM
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Recall the libs are the ones that say we don't need to teach math b/c it's racist. LOL
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Re: lol
Nov 24, 2022, 7:19 PM
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What about the ones who got the shot and did die?
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 7:20 AM
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You believe in the nuttiest bs.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:58 AM
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The government is very concerned about COVID---We know that all the millions of illegals allowed in have been vaccinated.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 8:01 AM
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Tom , I have no idea what the real numbers are but the vaccines absolutely did kill some people.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 8:07 AM
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Absolutely 100% true. The vaccine did kill many people - probably thousands across the globe. Did it save more than that? We all believe it did.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 8:10 AM
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Maybe but at this point we still don’t know the damage the vaccines have done in some people. We will see in the next few years.
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Orange Blooded [2019]
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 23, 2022, 11:47 AM
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True. Long term may be a different story.
However, how eager will the industry (and gubment) be to squelch any evidence in a decade or two about vaccine long-term effects?
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Orange Blooded [3615]
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:19 AM
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I have no idea how many died from the vaccines. I know 2.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:21 AM
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My guess is you really know zero, maybe 1, and that is a longshot. It's in your mind.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:24 AM
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You could be right. Perhaps I dreamed those funerals.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:30 AM
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Funerals don't have anything to do with cause of death. Your mind is getting to you. Did I ever tell you the story how I got drunk with Bigfoot? Good times.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Serious question for you. You’re calling me a liar. Please tell me how you’re so sure?
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Basic statistics and life experience. Between my entire family, everyone known through life, and everyone they have known, nobody has died from the vaccine. Probably 95% of them are vaccinated. Not 1 has died. You are telling what you perceive as the truth. I am not questioning your honesty. I am just telling you that your brain has gotten to you and you believe in nonsense. Its kind of like the people that think we attacked our own towers on 9/11 or that we never went to the moon. They are not trying to lie, but they are clueless. You don't have 2 friends that died from the vaccine. It's almost a lock. It's almost a lock you don't have one.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 11:35 AM
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Ok I got it. It has not happened in your experience so there’s no way it happened in mine. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Nor to the millions of Americans. Anyway, I do have a friend in Washington, the state, who swears he saw Bigfoot. He is serious. He means it. He is a good person. You remind me of him anecdotally.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Killed more than it saved.***
Nov 22, 2022, 12:05 PM
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Tell your friend Bigfoot does not exist. The Chupacabras killed them all.
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SMH
Nov 22, 2022, 8:45 AM
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wish my dad who died of covid woulda had chance for vaccine
This is just not true my dude. Wish I had data from a few years ago showing % of ICU patients here vaccinated vs unvaccinated, was shocking
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: SMH
Nov 22, 2022, 9:27 AM
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I am sincerely sorry about your dad. I mean that!
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Re: SMH
Nov 22, 2022, 9:52 AM
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appreciate it.
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I was about to type "you can't be that stupid",
Nov 22, 2022, 9:17 AM
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and then I looked at the poster name, and now I'm not typing it.
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In this case, he's simply lying...I honestly don't think...
Nov 22, 2022, 10:45 AM
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anyone on here could be legitimately that stupid. They can play stupid and think stupid things, but not consistently that stupid. At this point, his is intentional misinformation.
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Orange Blooded [2019]
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Re: Pfizer made more than $100 Billion from COVID
Nov 21, 2022, 9:54 PM
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Anybody curious as to why a safe , dirt cheap alternative like Ivermectin was squashed??? It’s not that hard and people died when many could have been saved.
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All-TigerNet [12161]
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Because multiple studies showed it was ineffective
Nov 22, 2022, 8:43 AM
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one poorly organized study showed possibility, but was later proven wrong
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Re: Because multiple studies showed it was ineffective
Nov 22, 2022, 8:52 AM
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Well, I assume you’re a doctor by your user name. Many of your peers were treating the virus very effectively with Ivermectin. They were shut down hard. Why? Because if there was a safe alternative out there the vaccines would not have qualified for emergency clearance. People died when they could have been helped. The medical leadership in this country should be ashamed. Actually they should be held accountable.
I would also love to know why many in the medical field tossed out common understanding about natural immunity , then proceeded to demonize the unvaccinated who were post infection. Yeah , I know,studies, studies. BS.
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All-In [31463]
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Re: Because multiple studies showed it was ineffective
Nov 22, 2022, 10:48 AM
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Ahhh, the P&R forum, where conspiracy peddling boomers lecture pediatricians, the doctors who probably know more about vaccines than any other clinical field, about vaccines.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Because multiple studies showed it was ineffective
Nov 22, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Please take your head out of the sand.
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All-In [40929]
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LOL 100 billion
Nov 22, 2022, 6:47 AM
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are you sure it wasn't 100 trillion!
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Re: Pfizer made more than $100 Billion from COVID
Nov 22, 2022, 7:18 AM
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The hospitals are supposedly packed with COVID patients at the moment.
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Re: Pfizer made more than $100 Billion from COVID
Nov 22, 2022, 7:25 AM
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Must be all those vaccinated people.
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Re: Pfizer made more than $100 Billion from COVID
Nov 22, 2022, 7:37 AM
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Tom agrees with you.
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All-In [31891]
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A drug company making money from a disease...
Nov 22, 2022, 7:33 AM
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because it developed medicine for it.
Oh the horror!!
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Re: Pfizer made more than $100 Billion from COVID
Nov 22, 2022, 7:35 AM
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why do you hate capitalism?
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I suspect it's the crony aspect of capitalism that
Nov 22, 2022, 8:16 AM
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he has a problem with, but I don't want to put words in his mouth.
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They developed a vaccine and sold it and made money...
Nov 22, 2022, 9:29 AM
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from it. Isn't that the very nature of a drug company?
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Having govt. strong arm private companies into requiring it
Nov 22, 2022, 11:18 AM
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probably helped sales a lot, too. As did endless media propaganda pushing it, really a dream situation for a manufacturer.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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They didn't need to put local govt.'s in their pockets,
Nov 22, 2022, 1:33 PM
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those guys are going to follow direction from the FDA/CDC just about every time. What is it, like 9 out of the last 10 FDA commissioners have gone on to work for pharmaceutical companies? There is a very incestuous relationship there.
IMO it is very naive to believe that a lot of these mandates/lockdowns/whatever were a result of legitimate health concerns, particularly given how ridiculous many of them were. Now they're back to talking about global vaccine passports, does that seem like it's more about control or legitimate health concerns?
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Re: They didn't need to put local govt.'s in their pockets,
Nov 22, 2022, 1:39 PM
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At this point in the life of the virus it should be obvious that further mandates are not about public health. I agree.
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Re: They didn't need to put local govt.'s in their pockets,
Nov 23, 2022, 12:07 PM
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At this point the "virus" should of been isolated but still has not
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All-In [31891]
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Who is talking about a vaccine passport?...
Nov 22, 2022, 1:57 PM
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(if it's the WHO, then please reply back with a "YES" or something like Abbott and Costello).
But to answer your question, I don't agree with it, but I think the vast majority of those that pushed for lockdowns and mandates had the public's best interest at heart. And when you say something like "more about control"...to what end?
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Point 23 in the declaration signed at the G20 summit
Nov 22, 2022, 4:24 PM
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pertains to the vaccine passports. Interesting they call the existing covid passport programs a success. Doesn't seem like they were successful in doing anything as far as reducing the spread or public health is concerned. They must be measuring success by a different metric?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/11/16/g20-bali-leaders-declaration/
To what end you ask? Well, if you can't go see your grandkids out of state unless you do something the govt. tells you to do, they kind of have you by the balls don't they? They basically control your behavior at that point, and with the coming CBDC they'll really be able to crank that vice down on them if you aren't a good boy.
Many of the rules were nonsensical at best, anybody looking at them objectively realized they ultimately were doing no good. Maybe some of them were created in good faith, but the further we got into it the less it was about the public's best interest which was plainly obvious. Wal-Mart can open for business but your local gym can't. Stay some arbitrary distance away from people, then that distance randomly changed, then all of the sudden no social distancing was necessary. Same thing with masks. We closed boat ramps, beaches, outdoor parks, the list goes on.
It's not a whole lot different from how you train a dog, get people used to edicts then they'll just do whatever you say without putting much thought into it.
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If you don't see how this was rammed down everyone's
Nov 22, 2022, 12:21 PM
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throats (figuratively) by the gov't/media/tech, then I think we're at an impasse. That's fine. No need to take the argument any further.
There was much more to this than just "developing a product and selling it".
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sure, I think the governments at different levels...
Nov 22, 2022, 1:11 PM
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took action that helped their sales, but what is the end point/concern? That happens all of the time.
Is there really a suggestion that all the various governments made those requirements so the vaccines providers could profit from it? The OP said "follow the $$$". What are we following it from/to? Did the vaccine companies put all of the local governments in their pockets? Is that the allegation here?
I wasn't a fan of any vaccine mandates...but I also believe that, in general, people were acting out of a legitimate health concern and not out of some warped push to bolster Pfizer's profits.
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Trumps worst mistake was not calling this a hoax***
Nov 22, 2022, 9:53 AM
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Re: Trumps worst mistake was not calling this a hoax***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:10 AM
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Tom , I would t call it a hoax. The virus killed people and many got sick. Heck, I was sick as a three eyed goat 2 years ago. ( Not hospital sick). My problem is the way it was mismanaged and continues to be mismanaged. My issue is forcing an experimental vaccine on people, shut down of businesses, ignoring natural immunity as a very reasonable choice, shutting down the use of safe drugs like Ivermectin, and the outright demonization of people who did not submit to the insanity.
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The virus didn't kill any more people than the flu usually
Nov 22, 2022, 2:27 PM
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does. Remdesivir and other "expert" approved protocols killed people. The entire thing was a hoax.
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Re: The virus didn't kill any more people than the flu usually
Nov 22, 2022, 2:36 PM
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Ok I agree. I misunderstood what you meant by hoax. Yes, remdesivir was a bad idea!!
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No, PCR tests are BS. Asymptomatic spread is BS. Masks are
Nov 22, 2022, 4:55 PM
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BS, everything the experts pushed on us during this entire panic was BS.
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And excess mortality measures? BS too right?...
Nov 23, 2022, 8:08 AM
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you say things like "COVID didn't kill any more people than the flu normally does" and anyone with a brain knows that is complete BS. You just make it up and state it like it's fact.
You're wrong
Your take on most things is wrong
You lie constantly and you do it with such authority...it's concerning to be honest. I know you consider yourself a good little anarchist...do you think that your constant lying on a message board is somehow helping the spread of anarchy or something?
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All-TigerNet [10887]
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excess mortality is up because of the reaction to it,
Nov 23, 2022, 9:58 AM
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not the actual virus.
Hospitals are killing people with their various protocols. Remdesivir is a huge part of that but it's also due to the way they treat anyone who tests positive for covid by acting as if every symptom is caused by covid rather than what they actually have.
The vaccines are killing people. Young people don't just stroke out or have a heart attack with no other underlying reason, but they are now.
Sure, excess deaths are up, slightly, because of the panic response.
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Up slightly? LOL....
Nov 23, 2022, 10:35 AM
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March 2020 to March 2020 was up 1.5MM over normal models and the pattern followed very closely (statistically) with reported COVID deaths.
And it's up "because of the reaction to it and not the virus itself"?
So, to sum up your position....
- excess deaths is only up slightly (even though the data measure says otherwise)
- to the extent it's up, it wasn't cause by covid, but by the reaction to it
- hospitals were/are killing people because of how they treated covid
Do you realize how nutty you sound?
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All-TigerNet [10887]
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That's 100% false.
Nov 23, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Also, nowhere else in the world had excess mortality out of the ordinary, only the US. That was caused by our institutions, not by covid.
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Re: That's 100% false.
Nov 23, 2022, 1:26 PM
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The medical profession , or at least leadership, was negligent in many ways. That’s best case scenario. Worst case is they were complicit.
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No it's not....stop lying...in the EU...
Nov 24, 2022, 2:38 AM
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https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics
"Between March 2020 and September 2022, the EU recorded four distinct waves of excess mortality, with peaks in April 2020 (25.2%), November 2020 (40.0%, the highest), April 2021 (20.9%) and November 2021 (26.5%)."
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext
https://www.ajtmh.org/view/journals/tpmd/106/5/article-p1507.xml Preliminary Analysis of Excess Mortality in India During the COVID-19 Pandemic ABSTRACT. We studied all-cause mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic in 19 Indian states (population 1.27 billion). Excess mortality was calculated by comparison with years 2015 to 2019. The known COVID-19 deaths reported for a state were assumed to be accurate, unless excess mortality data suggested a higher toll. Data from one state were excluded due to anomalies. In several regions, fewer deaths were reported in 2020 than expected. Areas in Andhra Pradesh, Delhi, Haryana, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, and West Bengal saw spikes in mortality in Spring 2021. The pandemic-related mortality through August 31, 2021, in 18 Indian states was estimated to be 198.7 per 100,000 population (range 146.1–263.8 per 100,000). If these rates apply nationally, then 2.69 million people (range 1.98 to 3.57 million) may have perished in India as a result of the pandemic by August 31, 2021.
Once again, you're just making wild claims with no basis in fact.
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