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Orange Blooded [4896]
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Nike needs to talk to the families of some
Sep 4, 2018, 10:00 AM
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Soldiers and first responders who truly “sacrificed everything”.
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Wouldn't matter
Sep 4, 2018, 10:28 AM
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After initially sitting on the bench during the anthem, Kaepernick specifically spoke to US Army special forces veterans who helped him decide that kneeling would be an appropriate sign of respect for our country while still allowing him to peacefully protest police brutality in America. This entire time he has been working with US soldiers in deciding a way to still show respect to our country.
Despite working with decorated veterans to purposefully not disrespect the flag, it didn't matter. Fox News and the propaganda machine still went all out against Kaepernick, and labeled his protest as an effort against the entire country. Meanwhile, it was NEVER about the flag, it was about the very real issue of police brutality in America, particularly involving cases dealing with men of color. But by labeling his entire stance as against the flag itself, Fox News was able to fire up it's viewers and distract them away from the legal dealings of the president's inner circle.
Kaepernick can do all he wants in good favor with everyone associated with putting their lives on the line for this country, none of it will matter. The narrative has already been formed.
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Re: Wouldn't matter
Sep 4, 2018, 10:31 AM
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Thank You! It was NEVER about the flag.
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Orange Blooded [4896]
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You have been brainwashed
Sep 4, 2018, 10:32 AM
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My issue is with the phrase Sacrificed everything”. Kaepernick was a bad quarterback who made a ton of money and the kid of an intact middle class family. He sacrificed nothing. In fact his propaganda will probably lead, as intended, to some paid media gigs. The joke is on the American public who believes he “sacrificed” anything for anyone other than himself.
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Oh come on, that's just ignorance
Sep 4, 2018, 10:44 AM
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Kaepernick may not have been the greatest QB but freakin Nathan Peterman is STARTING for the Bills on Sunday. He would absolutely still be playing, at least in a back up role if not for his peaceful protest of police brutality.
He did come from a middle class family, but does that cancel out the fact that he should have been making millions/year as an NFL QB? Don't sit there and tell me that millions upon millions of dollars lost isn't a sacrifice, I don't care how wealthy you are to start.
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Orange Blooded [2441]
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Peterman beat us in our NC year...
Sep 4, 2018, 11:10 AM
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can't be too bad.
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Re: You have been brainwashed
Sep 4, 2018, 11:12 AM
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He sacrificed millions of dollars in future contracts for something he believes in. You dont need to have a tough backstory to have a cause, moral compass, or integrity.
Do you have something you would sacrifice half your career for?
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Propaganda
Sep 4, 2018, 10:48 AM
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is why you think police brutality is a huge issue, AND why you think it's an issue specifically or especially for non-whites.
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Whether you agree that it should be
Sep 4, 2018, 11:14 AM
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an issue or not, it is an issue for most non-whites.
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Orange Blooded [3049]
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To imply that Veterans support or condone kneeling
Sep 4, 2018, 11:23 AM
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for the flag is ridiculous. I can't speak for the one or two SF Soldiers that Kapernick spoke with, but I can speak for myself, a combat veteran.
Kneeling during the National Anthem is not cool. While Kapernick has every right as a citizen of this great country to kneel during the Anthem in protest, it is not cool with me.
The Veterans who condone this behavior are in the minority. Most Veterans are very patriotic and would sacrifice everything to maintain the ideas that our Founders had when they formed this great Nation!
I personally believe that anyone kneeling during the National Anthem is inappropriate. There is a time and place for everything, and kneeling during the Anthem is neither the time nor place to protest police brutality or whatever the "protest of the month" is.
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Re: Nike needs to talk to the families of some
Sep 4, 2018, 10:30 AM
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You think Nike doens't employ veterans? Or the families of them?
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How many veterans are working in the Nike sweat shops ?
Sep 4, 2018, 10:40 AM
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"The largest producers of Nike shoes are the factories located in China, Vietnam and Indonesia, although dozens of other countries also contain Nike factories; these countries include Malaysia, Pakistan, India and Thailand.Jun 28, 2018"
Are there a lot of United States Veterans working in these countries ?
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Smh
Sep 4, 2018, 10:46 AM
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Please tell me you recognize that Nike has tens of thousands of United States employees outside of those working strictly in the factories that physically make their products.
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Re: Smh
Sep 4, 2018, 10:52 AM
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Tens of thousands employed by Nike in the US, are you talking about the retail stores
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Re: Smh
Sep 4, 2018, 11:10 AM
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They have over 10,000 employees at their corporate headquarters in Beaverton, OR alone.
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Please give a list of these Americans employed by Nike.
Sep 4, 2018, 10:56 AM
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I would love to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Here's some reading for you
Sep 4, 2018, 11:09 AM
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https://pamplinmedia.com/bvt/15-news/363277-243732-nike-to-cut-2-percent-of-workforce
This estimates 12,000 employees at their corporate Oregon headquarters alone, up from 8,000 in 2013. They also own Converse, Hurley, and Jordan. They have an enormous workforce in the USA, from their corporate leaders, to their marketing agents, to their sales department, all the way to their retail employees at hundreds of stores around the country you can look up here: https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/retail/en/directory.
The factories that produce their apparel and other products are only a small fraction of what Nike does in the business world.
This article from Fortune lists their US employment over the 2015 fiscal year at 31,977: http://fortune.com/2016/05/12/nike-staff-diversity/
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Thank You. Here's some reading for you
Sep 4, 2018, 11:54 AM
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"Nike has 70,700 employees worldwide, including retail and part-time. Nike also plans to reduce the number of product lines by 25 percent and introduce more selections for the remaining lines,"
"In the new alignment, the company will drive growth by serving consumers in 12 key cities, across 10 key countries: New York, London, Shanghai, Beijing, Los Angeles, Tokyo, Paris, Berlin, Mexico City, Barcelona, Seoul, and Milan. These key cities and countries are expected to represent more than 80 percent of Nike's projected growth through 2020."
How many of these employees are in the United States ?
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Re: How many veterans are working in the Nike sweat shops ?
Sep 4, 2018, 11:00 AM
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You know, I totally forgot that the Nike HQ is located right here in the USofA. Silly me.
Not saying that I like outsourcing or sweatshops. But to say that Nike doesn't employ veterans as naive at best.
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Re: How many veterans are working in the Nike sweat shops ?
Sep 4, 2018, 11:01 AM
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Also saying Nike headquarters employees tens of thousands of veterans is a far stretch also
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Re: How many veterans are working in the Nike sweat shops ?
Sep 4, 2018, 11:11 AM
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FWIW I never said that. I said they have tens of thousands of employees in the USA.
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Orange Blooded [3691]
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Clemson needs to talk to some of the families...
Sep 4, 2018, 10:59 AM
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who are descendants of slaves and why they continue to keep their buildings named after a white supremacist, like Tillman. We are talking about people who worked for free for 100's of years and brought wealth and ingenuity to the south. BTW, I am a southerner, proudly so, born and raised...and Clemson grad.
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Re: Clemson needs to talk to some of the families...
Sep 4, 2018, 11:05 AM
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Never saying it was right, but you do realize there is a thing with being raised in the times. Man and society has evolved since 200 years ago. During that time Irish were considered as ignorant and trash as blacks. Many different cultures and religions had to go and start their own little towns in the “new world” as they were not accepted.
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Orange Blooded [3691]
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Re: Clemson needs to talk to some of the families...
Sep 4, 2018, 11:09 AM
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so time passing eventually makes what is wrong, right? That doesn't make sense. Or if it happened in "the time" it it not as evil since we are looking back at it. Tell Jewish people that Hitler was a man of the time and Jews just have to deal with that. Seems easier to do it with black people than Jews doesn't it?
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Orange Blooded [2441]
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Well, my father was in Vietnam during the worst possible
Sep 4, 2018, 11:09 AM
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time, and although he survived, many of his close friends did not.
And he has absolutely no problem with what Kaepernick did. He also can't understand why so many get riled up about it.
I guess everyone needs a reason to be outraged about something.
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Oculus Spirit [82946]
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No one is protesting the soldiers.***
Sep 4, 2018, 11:10 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93567]
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You should probably let them know.
Sep 4, 2018, 11:34 AM
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That might settle the whole thing.
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