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All-TigerNet [14233]
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Typical DNC spin
Jul 26, 2016, 1:30 PM
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They're pushing the message the hacker is Russian and avoiding the CONTENT OF THE GOLLDANGFRIGGIN emails.
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Precisely...
Jul 26, 2016, 1:32 PM
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It seems to be working on the less intelligent progressives.
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CU Guru [1066]
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This...
Jul 26, 2016, 1:31 PM
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...is so dumb. Of course, he works for Russia. You and your comrades seem to be attempting to place this at Trump's feet, however.
It's pure deflection.
The Russians didn't write/ send/ receive any of the emails revealed. The DNC did that.
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All-TigerNet [14233]
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The emails don't contain anything damaging. Just griping
Jul 26, 2016, 1:35 PM
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And ideas.
I can't believe you're just okay that a hostile foreign nation may be trying to directly effect U.S elections.
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*affect
Jul 26, 2016, 1:38 PM
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And I'm not OK with it, but it happens. Helll, we're doing it right now.
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All-TigerNet [14233]
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Ridiculous***
Jul 26, 2016, 1:42 PM
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I think Obed is right.
Jul 26, 2016, 1:43 PM
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You're Tigerboy.
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You need to stick to recruiting, maybe.... or wake up.
Jul 26, 2016, 1:36 PM
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The US has had "Guccifer" in custody for some time....
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All-TigerNet [14233]
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Re: You need to stick to recruiting, maybe.... or wake up.
Jul 26, 2016, 1:36 PM
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Guccifer 2.0
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Little brother...? The first guy said "everyone knows"...***
Jul 26, 2016, 1:41 PM
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Biden's son worked for an oil company in Russia... So?***
Jul 26, 2016, 2:24 PM
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All-TigerNet [14233]
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So you're against transparency.***
Jul 26, 2016, 2:25 PM
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Revealing the truth is affecting elections? How awful.***
Jul 26, 2016, 1:40 PM
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Reminds me of a guy I used to work with......
Jul 26, 2016, 1:41 PM
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His GF busted him with another girl sending him nekkid pics, and instead of apologizing and talking about those pics, he went on a rant about her invading his privacy on his phone.
Seems quite analogous to what's going on here.
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Should have just suggested a threesome.... ;~)***
Jul 26, 2016, 1:42 PM
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Re: Reminds me of a guy I used to work with......
Jul 26, 2016, 1:55 PM
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It's analogous.
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It's more like his mistress busting him...
Jul 26, 2016, 2:01 PM
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sending nudes to his girlfriend in this case, right? Everyone knew the DNC wanted Hillary to win, so it's hard for me to understand why any of this stuff would surprise anybody. Bernie is barely even a Democrat, and the DNC wants to support Democrats who can win elections. They weren't looking to support Bernie any more than the RNC was looking to support Trump.
Here's another thing about privacy, though: sometimes we do and say things that wouldn't make sense to other people, or that would make us look bad to other people, but which should still entirely remain our business. They aren't breaking the law, and they aren't betraying anybody's trust in an important way. For instance, we wouldn't want every off-color joke we tell to broadcasted to everybody we know. Similarly, we wouldn't want everybody to see every email we've ever sent. And I think everybody's been in the situation with a significant other where they got mad at you over something fairly innocent/ harmless you were doing, or where you were bothered by something you knew about them that really had no relevance to your relationship.
So, on the one hand, if anything illegal or that actually proves the DNC fixed the primary is uncovered, then I guess the leak is at least partially justified. But right now a lot of what's blowing up is private communications between staffers that don't really amount to much of anything, and which are just being used to embarrass people. It's not a lot different than the who "gotcha" political culture where we distract ourselves from real problems with random rhetorical screw ups people on the other side make.
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Sites like Reddit and Facebook have been censoring
Jul 26, 2016, 2:14 PM
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much of the new information. Facebook even admitted it yesterday.
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So it's okay for Hillary and the DNC to rig elections?
Jul 26, 2016, 2:08 PM
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But because the Russians delivered this information, THEY are somehow to blame? That's some kind of logic.
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There's no evidence the election was rigged.***
Jul 26, 2016, 2:08 PM
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Imagine that the college football playoff server got hacked
Jul 26, 2016, 2:16 PM
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during the end of the regular season.....
There were some emails revealed between top staffers saying "Is there any way we can put out some statements emphasizing that Clemson's strength of schedule wasn't as strong as Ohio State's? I know my SEC peeps would prefer a Big10 school to an ACC school"
Would you be as adamant that nothing was going on, and it was just business as usual?
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All-TigerNet [14233]
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THe DNC emails showed nothing.
Jul 26, 2016, 2:21 PM
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If the DNC hacked the RNC it would be grounds for arrests.
But RUSSIA is meddling in our elections and is siding with an AMERICAN political party. This is about RUSSIA hacking AMERICA.
Trump's stance on Russia elevates these accusations.
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Yes, DWS resigned because of "nothing".
Jul 26, 2016, 2:38 PM
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The e-mails showed just how manipulated the election process is, and it was the most in-your-face example to date of what we've all long suspected.
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Link it. She was fired for political reasons.***
Jul 26, 2016, 2:40 PM
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Link it? There's a completely searchable website of all the
Jul 26, 2016, 2:42 PM
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e-mails, as well as ad nauseum synopses easily available of what I just described. You find it, I'm not linking it.
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I haven't seen it.***
Jul 26, 2016, 2:45 PM
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That would make more sense if the DNC elected the nominee
Jul 26, 2016, 2:30 PM
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If the committee's rules were more like the Democratic Party's nomination rules, everybody who was fans of all the teams would still get a vote. Even if the committee was putting something out about SOS, it would still be up to the voters to decide whether they cared.
The thing is, I don't have a huge problem with the parties using their power to get candidates that are more acceptable to the people active within the party. As long as they aren't committing fraud or disenfranchising people (although, they don't have to take a vote of all party members), they're still giving people a say in how the party's nominee gets picked. Of course, if the party uses their influence to get somebody nominated who isn't democratically popular with their party, then that candidate isn't very likely to win a democratic general election. That's why the parties have become more democratic. But a more powerful political party can also do more to prevent the takeover of the party by a demagogue, like... uh...
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The d*a*m*ning fact revealed in the emails is the blatant
Jul 26, 2016, 2:17 PM
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partisanship and support for Hillary Clinton within the DNC where there should have been nothing less than impartial brokering among the contestants. In a word, the emails revealed the corruption within the Democratic National Committee.
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this is what Cam and others don't seem to get, and I
Jul 26, 2016, 2:19 PM
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suppose it's because they've been on the inside and are ok with all the wink-wink nudge-nudge stuff that goes on, rightly or wrongly.
The general public doesn't view it that way though.
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No one should. The partisanship belongs within each
Jul 26, 2016, 2:25 PM
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campaign, not the National Committee, Democrat or Republican.
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I'll tell you what I really think about all this...
Jul 26, 2016, 2:42 PM
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Bernie fans, who are natural conspiracy theorists, care about this because it gives them another reason to complain that things are rigged, and because they think it contributed to their guy losing.
Conservatives care about this because it's another thing to criticize Democrats and Hillary Clinton about. I'm not sure many of them really give a rats ### about whether Bernie got screwed, or whether what the DNC was doing was wrong. The DNC could probably have helped itself by eliminating super delegates, obviously.
Meanwhile, we have foreign hackers targeting one party and releasing things that make them look bad, but which don't really amount to much. They very easily could've targeted the RNC and probably found a whole lot more criticism of Trump and wondering what the RNC could do to prevent him from winning.
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All-TigerNet [14233]
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Pretty much agree with you
Jul 26, 2016, 2:45 PM
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But Trump's relationship and stance with Russia is what raises red flags.
Threats to end NATO are a big deal.
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Or, perhaps (and I'm drawing on my professional knowledge
Jul 26, 2016, 3:18 PM
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here).....the RNC had reasonable firewalls and intrusion detection in place, and the DNC didn't. Perhaps, if that scenario existed, and were reversed, we'd be reading RNC e-mails today and having the DNC slamming them over it.
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Re: Or, perhaps (and I'm drawing on my professional knowledge
Jul 26, 2016, 3:22 PM
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Possible. It would behoove the Russians to leak some RNC stuff to make it seem bipartisan.
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Bipartisan Russians?
Jul 26, 2016, 3:49 PM
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I've officially seen it all.
You, sir, are tigerboy.
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^^^ Where the heck has this guy been?***
Jul 26, 2016, 4:13 PM
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Humbly report sir, for a long time, I thought he was
Jul 26, 2016, 4:14 PM
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Crash's alter ego.
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Humbly report sir, you do me honor......
Jul 26, 2016, 4:59 PM
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although Pig Guru might be rolling in his grave at the thought.
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