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Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 1, 2017, 2:26 PM
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I'll admit I don't watch much baseball. Not my favorite sport but I love watching it live.
Anyways the questions I have is this:
Are the Clemson Tigers overachieving this year?
If so, do you attribute our over achievement on Monte Lee?
Or do we actually have the talent to be the baseball team in America?
TIA, I prefer objective answers but sunshine or dumper answers are welcome as well.
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 1, 2017, 2:28 PM
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Ask @clemsonbaseball1991
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 1, 2017, 2:29 PM
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The better teams are showing the weaknesses in our bullpen. UNC is that good . I still think that Lee was the right hire and will get better through recruiting. No worries here!
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We've beat up on not great teams but don't have elite pitching depth
May 1, 2017, 2:29 PM
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That's the only thing holding this team back. Monte will get us there, it just takes some time.
We also don't play as well when Beer isn't playing great because he is the obvious team leader. I think we need him to be leading the team for motivation.
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Letterman [262]
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I disagree with the pitching depth.
May 1, 2017, 3:30 PM
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We gave up 13 runs in 3 games, one of them extra innings, @ top-5 UNC. Now way that should lead to a sweep in college baseball. Our issue is that we can't manufacture runs without the HR. If we lack anything it's the ability to execute the little things at the plate like moving men over from 2nd base with no outs and scoring them with a SAC fly. We wasted tons of leadoff runners and men on 3rd with 1 out all weekend. We lost the FSU series on that Monday because of an epic breakdown in defense. The pitching isn't great, but we're still one of the best staffs around.
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The team is good but not great...
May 1, 2017, 2:37 PM
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In order to elevate to the next level, we'll need a deeper/better bullpen and better hitting particularly with runners on base.
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 1, 2017, 2:37 PM
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This team is missing a couple of key ingredients right now....Ryan Miller was big at the beginning of the year, and I don't know if he will be back before the postseason. He is a big piece in the bullpen. Brooks Crawford was lights out last year, but I've heard he got mono earlier this season, lost a bunch of weight and is trying to get his velocity and stamina back.
If they can get those two back and strong, and get Beer going, they have Omaha potential. But I do think in many ways they have overachieved this season
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 1, 2017, 2:46 PM
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THANKS. was wondering about brooks. imo mostly need to get riley back to being riley, get miller back and dont forget we will have jackson after midweek games are over. great in the pen or as a spot starter.
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The biggest thing with Gilliam is he needs to get
May 1, 2017, 3:38 PM
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ahead of hitters. The last several weeks he's started behind 1-0 to hitters and it makes his curve easier to lay off of because the hitters can afford to take a pitch. If he can get back to starting 0-1 I think he'll be fine.
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Perhaps he followed the "and"
May 5, 2017, 12:47 PM
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at the end of the subject line.
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I dont think Beer is the key as much as
May 1, 2017, 3:36 PM
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Pinder and Davidson. Pinder going 0fer at the top of the order and Davidson's inability to get men in when they're on 3rd with less than 2outs has really hurt. We've won a ton of games with Beer playing below his standards. But when Pinder fails to set the table and Davidson struggles it seems to hurt us a ton.
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My question is this. How do we
May 1, 2017, 3:37 PM
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Always start out well swinging the bats then go cold? We swing the bats really well early in games. It's just unusual to see a starting pitcher get stronger to this level. Our pitching does the complete opposite. Start out well then give up runs later in games. What changes offensively as the game moves along?
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 1, 2017, 2:43 PM
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I believe this team is overachieving a bit, but not by a ton. With that said, I absolutely believe that they have the ability to make it to Omaha. We are better also than last year IMO. We don't have the ridiculous player by player talent we had on some of the top teams in Clemson history. We have several players of top caliber just not nearly as many as we need to be a favorite to win it all. But HAIL, Fresno State and Coastal Carolina won the CWS. Why can't we this year. You never know. Go Tigers!
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Great question, having watched/viewed games online
May 1, 2017, 2:49 PM
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This Tiger team is a strong team. Relief pitching has suffered big time over last couple/few weeks and cost us a few wins. That happens to the best though, but it is lingering problem and if it persists then this team will be in trouble. UNC series was tough, 2 very good teams but again the bullpen could not hold a lead 2 separate times.... Eubanks, Krall, and even Jackson have performed very well for starters this year.
Reed Rohlman has been seeing the ball really well. Leaves the UNC series in the 380's. Pinder has been nice in the lead off spot and Davidson has provided some extra pop in the lineup. Speaking of PoP, Freshman phenom Seth Beer has been a bit of an anomaly this year. With such high expectations I can understand his "struggles" if you can really call hitting 280 with 12 homers and an OBP well over 400 a struggle. You can considering his Freshman season which was incredible but feel strongly that the best of his season is coming up in the tournaments, both ACC and NCAA.
Defense has cost us as well, nothing worse than a great pitching no effort rewarded with costly errors at critical times. Fielding and pitching can overcome quiet bats, but errors and bad relief appearances are really deflating.
Overall I will say this years team, record wise, is better than I anticipated BUT I am not in that locker room...on that field training under Monte Lee... so I also say they are right where they should be based on what Lee has brought to this team. They battle and have only lost a couple games that were not down to the final out. This past weekend is perfect example, lose series 3-0 but easily have 2-1 series win with only the slightest changes. I love this team but honestly not confident at this point the team will be successful once postseason baseball is here.
My hopes are I am wrong and we get rolling and having seen this team play, don't never count them out!!!!
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the entire sport of baseball is based on streakiness
May 1, 2017, 2:51 PM
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When everybody is playing well, a good team is basically unstoppable.
When they are not, you sometimes wonder if they could beat a high school team.
This year, the players have done a GREAT job taking turns being "hot". Early in the year, it was Beer, Jolly, Cox, and the bullpen (Gilliam, Crawford, Miller) carrying the team. Players like Krall, Eubanks, Greene (benched), Williams (hurt), Davidson were off their games. And the errors were horrific.
Then as those guys cooled, Rohlman, Williams, Pinder, and Greene warmed up midseason. The starting pitching solidified, and the bullpen leveled off. The errors all but disappeared.
Now, as we approach the end, it seems the starting pitching is smoking-hot, but most of the bats have cooled (except maybe Rohlman and Williams). Nobody fears Beer and Pinder, the bullpen has suddenly become ice-cold, and the Big "E" reared its head again yesterday. Barnes and probably Williams/Rohlman are the only 3 players who have been consistently solid all season.
So.........we have not played to our potential yet this year. Far from it. Maybe 2 or 3 games we have played max level ball. It's there; if everybody gets hot at the same time we will be a force. Having said that, except for this past weekend, we have not played badly in all aspects either. And even as badly as we hit and fielded, the starting pitching hit a peak this weekend.
If we roll into the post-season clicking, Omaha is a virtual lock. We are a Top 10-12 team, I honestly believe. But if we don't tighten up the relief pitching & fielding, and warm up the bats, we won't make it out of a regional. We have about 10 games left to harness the potential.
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Only ClemsonSCTiger has all the answers
May 1, 2017, 2:55 PM
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Ask him ClemsonSCTiger
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CU just learned.. they aren't the best team in the Carolinas***
May 1, 2017, 3:18 PM
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No we haven't overachieved.
May 1, 2017, 3:27 PM
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We're a team that beats everyone we should with the exception of opening weekend. When we play quality teams we're playing close games and, of late, we come out on the losing end of them. We're no quite good enough to get that timely hit or get that K on 1-2 instead of giving up the SAC fly.
We're really one play away from winning in every loss except a couple.
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Re: No we haven't overachieved.
May 1, 2017, 4:45 PM
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Sounds like what I heard during basketball season...... but I agree.
Clemson has a pretty solid pitching staff that is as good as the one they faced this weekend. The heels seem to make better pitches in key situations. When a fly ball will bring in a run, don't throw high strikes to the batter. That helps a lot! Make the right pitches at key points in the game. At this, UNC was very good. When the defense has five or six guys on the right side, don't hit it there! This team doesn't hit to the opposite field often enough and the good coaches have figured out how to be the Tigers. The real experts will not agree with this so listen to the other opinions!
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The difference in baseball playing close vs basketball
May 1, 2017, 4:54 PM
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is that basketball played close and lost to EVERYONE haha. Baseball is doing it to the good teams.
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To UNC's credit -
May 1, 2017, 4:55 PM
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as bad as they looked at the plate, they refused to K when men were on base. They manufactured whereas we waited until men got into scoring position to have our worst at-bats.
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Re: To UNC's credit -
May 1, 2017, 5:35 PM
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True so true.
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 1, 2017, 6:22 PM
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Are the Clemson Tigers overachieving this year?
Yes.
If so, do you attribute our over achievement on Monte Lee?
Yes.
Or do we actually have the talent to be the baseball team in America?
No.
We're close, but not quite there yet.
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 5, 2017, 12:18 PM
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Are the Clemson Tigers overachieving this year?
I say no. Good players and very good coaching. A few more "Elite" players and we could be #1 and in that conversation for the next several years.
If so, do you attribute our over achievement on Monte Lee?
Yes and his staff, his attitude and play loose mentality.
Or do we actually have the talent to be the baseball team in America?
Def Top 10 team and very solid starting pitching and line up options.
When we hit and score, it all about the offense (which is really what most fair weather fans care about)
When its close and the bullpen or pitching suffers, all hell breaks loose and the sky is falling about the Pen and not so much about the hitting or timely hitting ,esp. RISP.
Defense is much better, hitting is better, pitching is better and results are better. Be glad or happy you have a solid team to rep and come to games and support them.
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Unc says no. I say yes***
May 5, 2017, 12:49 PM
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Re: Sirius question about Clemson baseball
May 5, 2017, 3:23 PM
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Well up until this hard part of the schedule we have played about as expected.
Now that the competition has gotten better we have found out so far we are not quit there.
I figured at the start of the year the pitching would not be that great but they have been a pleasant surprise.
The 3 weekend starters are doing all we can ask.
The Bullpen has potential to be good but has not showed it vs quality teams.
We will need them to step it up for the rest of the season.
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