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Legend [18780]
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Schools
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May 10, 2023, 9:04 AM
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I have taught internationally in China, Jordan, Colombia, and Peru. Kids in all those places seem like kids that I grew up with...occasionally a kid doing a bad thing here and there but not hardly any fights, bullying, or crazy stuff.
I just saw this video posted on Reddit and it just reminded me why I don't teach in the USA anymore. Things just got too crazy and stressful.
So the only teachers left in the USA now are the ones who are either amazing angels who learned to survive and sometimes thrive in that environment and the other ones just hanging on for dear life.
The situation is sad. Education is the only way out of poverty for some kids.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/13crj3q/mace_saves_a_girl_from_potentially_getting_her/
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Re: Schools
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May 10, 2023, 9:08 AM
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Just my $0.02 worth but this is more of a commentary on the state of America's youth than it is about "PuBLik EdUKasHiOn". I mean who the #### takes a hammer to a playground?
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Legend [18780]
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My two cents is parenting...
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May 10, 2023, 9:09 AM
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I think some are getting lazy and trying to be "friends" with their kids. Save that $hit for when they are adults and their frontal lobes have fully developed.
My parents were strict on me and when other kids where doing what they wanted on the weekends, I was helping my Dad do various things around the house. I hated it then but love him for it now.
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Re: My two cents is parenting...
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May 10, 2023, 9:10 AM
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For sure. Single-parent households, drugs, consumerism, social media, I could go on all day.
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Legend [18780]
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We could...but something needs to be done.
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May 10, 2023, 9:12 AM
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You don't want China to take over. Trust me!
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Legend [19567]
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Parenting in to many cases has been subbed out
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May 10, 2023, 11:54 AM
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parents are to lazy or self focused to raise their own kids so they send them to grandparents, schools, churches and other places to get what they should be getting at home. It's not working! The kids still spend the majority of their time around their parents home. I see it in schools where I mentor kids, and the teacher's complete inability to control, discipline and ultimately teach. I mentor an 11 year old in the 5th grade who CANNOT read, yet he will be promoted, no questions asked.
At the church I pastor we regularly have 35-40 kids on a Wednesday night. No parents, we're babysitters. The kids respect no thing or no one. They run wild through our neighborhood with no accountability. The parents are absentee in their parenting responsibilities. Many are drunks, addicts and users of others. This is an issue that has been passed down generationally and grows worse with every generation.
I know grandparents raising 8-9 grandchildren from their kids. Instead of drawing a line, they enable the poor behavior of their own kids to continue.
I know I may sound like the guy saying "get off my lawn," but our entitled, spoiled, disrespectful culture is a cancer, and it will only spread and get worse as we raise the most spoiled, entitled, enabled, disrespectful generation this country has ever seen. It's maddening, and extremely sorrowful.
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Re: My two cents is parenting...
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May 10, 2023, 12:42 PM
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My Dad was the same way.
Saturday was a work day for me. If the weather was humanly survivable we were in the yard. If there was a foot of snow or lightning was actively striking trees in my yard we worked inside. I didn't like it at the time, but I did get to spend a lot of time with my Dad.
I have four sons and their ages range from 34-18 and we all get together often. One subject that continues to come up is how they remember us working together on all kinds of projects around the house. They have all entered the workforce and they say a lot of young people their age just don't know how to work, because they were never "encouraged" by their parents to work around the house.
My Dad passed away in 2019, but to hear my sons talk his work ethic is alive and well in my sons.
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I saw a news story...
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May 10, 2023, 9:13 AM
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where a teacher took a students phone. The student got angry and sprayed the teacher in the face with mace.
Kids no longer have any respect for authority.
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Legend [18780]
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I saw a video where a kid punched a teacher for the same...
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May 10, 2023, 9:22 AM
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thing.
Could you imagine seeing that when you were a kid? I can't.
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I know what would have happened to me when I got home.***
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May 10, 2023, 9:27 AM
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i worked in an elementary school down in Central
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May 10, 2023, 9:48 AM
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for a yr after i graduated.
If i had to sum up the problem with schools today in 1 sentence i would say the problem is PARENTS.
PARENTS have completely taking away all authority a school as to do anything. I remember getting in trouble and school and i use to beg the principle to give me a whoopin instead of calling my mom.
People complain that kids at rich schools get a better education than kids at poor schools and that is total horsecrap. 2+2 = 4 no matter where you learn it.
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Legend [18780]
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Well schools are paid for by property taxes....
May 10, 2023, 9:52 AM
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so the better the area, better the school.
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back to the parents
May 10, 2023, 10:27 AM
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parents pay for the property in the better school for a reason. parents are paying to be in that area. those parents are going to care more.
again. 2+2 = 4 no matter where you learn that. better building.. same school books.
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Legend [19567]
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And, in order to receive that federal funding districts
May 10, 2023, 12:10 PM
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place themselves at the mercy of the federal government. They must teach certain things, a certain way. Standards are dropped to the point they are non-existent. As with most everything, when the feds show up. things go south
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CU Medallion [64517]
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The state's academic standards still apply
May 10, 2023, 12:38 PM
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It is simply a program where the federal government gives funds to South Carolina through the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) to divide among school districts based on their percentage of low-income families. The funds are for students to operate supplemental programs in reading and math.
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The difference is...
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May 10, 2023, 10:29 AM
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parents who insist that their kids go to school, behave themselves, get an education, and take advantage of the opportunities that are available to them while some others...well...don't.
They can blame that on anything they would like if it makes them feel better but at the end of the day it all boils down to the parents and what they teach their kids.
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May 10, 2023, 9:17 AM
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My wife's an elementary school teacher. Been teaching since she graduated Clemson in 1985. It has never been as bad for her as the past several years. Believe me I know. I have to hear about it everyday.
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Legend [18780]
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Elementary school too...
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May 10, 2023, 9:23 AM
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at my school now, they are the sweetest things ever. Is your wife thinking about making a career change?
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Re: Elementary school too...
May 10, 2023, 11:29 AM
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She's thought about it but she's going to stick it our a few more years then retire.
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Same here...
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May 10, 2023, 9:27 AM
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my wife has been in the Greenville County School system in various positions since she graduated in 1988 and again in 1991.
The last several years have been bad...really bad. I hear about it daily as well. Sadly, it is that way across the entire country which is why there is a national teacher shortage.
She's had enough and will be retiring next May.
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Sorry to hear that...
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May 10, 2023, 9:40 AM
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I have been teaching for 17 years and the three in the US (2015-2018) were the most difficult. I was in a pretty high-rent area of Mount Pleasant too.
Your wife said the most recent years have been worse? I can't even imagine.
When I was teaching in Mount Pleasant, I remember the principal telling me that there was literally nothing that could be done with a kid who was disrupting every class, every day. He was screaming, yelling, cutting up, hooping an hollering.
No learning was going on while that was happening.
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May 10, 2023, 9:43 AM
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I feel for ya Smack Daddy. My wife is actually retiring in 3 weeks. Finally I won't have to listen to all of that when I get home. She is like a chatty Cathy doll... she just keeps pulling that string and words keep coming out.
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As a spouse of one, I hear you, but I couldn't keep
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May 10, 2023, 9:49 AM
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all of that $^#@ bottled up without getting rid of it on a daily basis. I usually just nod while selectively hearing the more interesting parts.
I worry more when she doesn't talk.
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My wife is a teacher retiring in 2ish weeks after 32 years.
May 10, 2023, 10:23 AM
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It is crazy how much change she has seen in the kids and families of the kids she has taught.
Her classes have steadily declined in character, preparedness and interest from her students each year.
She does her best but admits that she realizes that she can't make any meaningful impact on many of her students(despite what movies say) and is happy to just avoid physical altercations or family terrorism.
She has seen the deteriortization of the family and it's effects on the community.
I am thankful she is retiring.
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Years ago
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May 10, 2023, 9:19 AM
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3 decades of single-family homes.
2 decades of social media as a substitute.
15 years of highly-politicized shock-value 24/7 news.
No shock here.
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Legend [18780]
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Its in everyone's best interest to have a nation
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May 10, 2023, 9:24 AM
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full of kids who can think critically, do math, etc.
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My son is a Jr in a charter high school in the Upstate
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May 10, 2023, 9:35 AM
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Just this academic year - he's had two teachers quit during the school year, one fired and had another never even start. He has one class that's entirely online and he said they do nothing in class - he was actually telling us at dinner last night that he and some other kids were watching an R rated horror movie on a kids' laptop during class because there was nothing to do. He had a teacher last semester who was supposed to teach a version of what many of us know as Home Ec, where they learn budgeting, financial responsibility, and other things. Turned out it was 100% a sewing class. She was the one that was fired.
His last charter school closed at the end of last school year, and they were struggling to have and hold on to teachers.
It's a mess. No one is learning anything. Well, they're learning about gender options and fluidity and all that garbage. They're not learning math, science, or, in my opinion, most importantly, history (those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it - we don't know it, so we're repeating it).
It's a mess and makes me fearful for the future, knowing how poor a job so many of our schools are doing and how little the kids are learning. And, instead, how much they're being politically indoctrinated as opposed to learning how to think for themselves.
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Not to turn this political...
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May 10, 2023, 9:49 AM
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and put the gender stuff aside for a second. Because it not indoctrination you need to worry about, that there is no learning going on at all.
Kids consume all that political stuff on social media, anyway.
The schools are teaching math, science, history, and all those subjects but it's just impossible to hold kids accountable and manage a class. This is why teachers are leaving.
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I am proud of my teacher wife, there's no braver teacher
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May 10, 2023, 9:44 AM
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than a Middle School teacher.
She's 6 years from retirement. She would have not lasted another couple of years, if she had not gotten a teaching coach position. Her job now is to try to motivate teachers to help bring up test scores.
She's seen it all and I've heard everything as a spouse. There are a lot of parents that... don't... care. All they want to do is send the kids off for babysitting while they drink, smoke or shoot up.
When the parents don't care, the kids don't care. But the teachers have to make "chicken salad out of chicken ....".
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Darn, sorry to hear that. Yeah I taught middle school.
May 10, 2023, 9:51 AM
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it was a ####### war-zone.
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Social media has played a huge role in the decline.
May 10, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Also, there is less and less accountability all the time it seems.
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^^^^THIS^^^^***
May 10, 2023, 10:44 AM
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Re: Schools
May 10, 2023, 11:24 AM
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My wife recently retired after 37 years as a kindergarten teacher. When she started, out of a class of 23 one or two kids would have a 'difficult' home life. Now it's over half the class. Grandparents are raising kids, even great grandparents.
She misses the kids, but not the parents, the board office, governmental red-tape. If it was the same environment as when she started, she would still be teaching. Sadly many of our best teachers are throwing in the towel. An educated populace is the life blood of a healthy, productive, and free society.
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Re: Schools
May 10, 2023, 12:02 PM
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as a high school student now I am so thankful for teachers in general I see it on the daily how hurt my teachers get when other students aren't applying themselves in class, or purposely being disrespectful.
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Re: Schools
May 10, 2023, 12:50 PM
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I teach at one of the top 10 public schools in the state. It's not that bad for me, personally. The only issues that I have stem from having large classrooms. I have 32 students in 2 different classes, while the other 4 have more than 25 students. It's almost impossible to maintain a proper classroom environment for 90 minutes with that many students. Also, it's mostly a boy's problem. I don't really have any issues with girls. But I have so many boys that are really bad.
Parenting appears to be the main culprit. The students that struggle the most in my class are the students with parents that are totally uninvolved in their lives. I see a lot of single-parent kids, or kids raised by grandparents. Administrators really make it difficult to do something about the problematic students.
I couldn't imagine teaching at other schools in my district because they are so much worse. I probably would have quit already.
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Re: Schools
May 11, 2023, 7:33 AM
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Thanks for teaching and anyone else out there that is a teacher. It is a thankless job and I appreciate your giving of yourselves. A question for Pacific Coast Tiger. Having taught overseas, how does the American education system stack up? I personally feel it is outdated and behind many other countries around the world what are your thoughts? Or anyone elses.
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