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Oculus Spirit [97724]
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Sad story. Appears they were man-driving. My BIL does that
Jan 2, 2020, 9:54 PM
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and it's dangerous as ####. Do it with dogs, or not at all. And if you do it with dogs, do it the right way. Our club has been driving deer with dogs in Colleton County for 80 years. Thousands have hunted there. Thousands of deer killed. Thousands of dogs running deer. Never a dog or person shot.
https://www.wistv.com/2020/01/02/father-daughter-killed-hunting-accident-colleton-county/
TRADITIONAL rules go like this:
NEVER man-drive.
EVERYONE wears an orange hat
Stands are marked with pie-plates .1 miles apart. Stay within 20 feet of it.
Sit on the side of the road with your back to the drive. Shoot away from the drive and the other stander.
IF you're a driver, in the woods, hoop and holler every so often so people know you're in the drive. If they get close, you hoop and holler back so they know you're there and they're on the edge of the drive.
ONLY use 2-3/4" shells. No 3-4 inch magnum loads.
NEVER try and head off a deer being run by dogs in a truck. You don't know who may be standing nearby.
Rest is standard gun safety.
Sad thing is very few people follow these rules anymore. They eyeball the distance to place standers, allow larger shells, and trucks fly down roads by standers trying to head off deer. Just sad what has happened to what was once the way aristocrats hunted.
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Last drive down there that I was on
Jan 2, 2020, 10:03 PM
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I fell asleep sitting up against the tree. We had coon hunt the nite before, and duck hunted at dawn.....
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CU Medallion [60043]
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About is in humane as it comes
Jan 2, 2020, 10:10 PM
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running a deer till it lays down isn’t hunting. Just like hunting over bait or on a farm. Not hunting.
I have hunted all my life and I have held these truths my whole life. So don’t go all anti hunter on me, just how I personally feel.
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Oculus Spirit [97724]
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??? Until it lays down?
Jan 3, 2020, 8:24 AM
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Never met a dog that caught a deer. Never met a deer who gave up and laid down when being run by dogs. Seen a few sick and/or diseased/injured deer caught by dogs.
That being said, having a deer running full speed across a road with two people out of gunshot from each other...heck 50% of shots are misses. Probably more. I missed my share on dog drives. If by chance you hit and injure a deer, it is always killed later by a driver/dogs.
If "humaneness" is your standard, then you better avoid dog drives, bait fields, and guns. Only in the woods, and only with a bow. And no matter what form of hunting you enjoy, again if humaneness is your standard, the fast food burger or chicken sammich you ate on the way to go hunting, that meat came from "as inhumane as it comes".
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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man drive and dog drive are two different things
Jan 3, 2020, 8:38 AM
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I grew up hunting in front of dogs.
I have NEVER and would never go on a man drive.
I have walked cut downs on horseback much like a man drive. I would do that everyday of my life if i could.
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Lot o points [155922]
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as a non-hunter, reading posts like this
Jan 3, 2020, 8:42 AM
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Helps me understand how a non-car person feels reading a car diagnosis thread.
You guys keep killing the food for me, I’ll keep buying the meat, tia.
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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The older I get, the less I want to kill things.
Jan 3, 2020, 9:07 AM
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I'm sure I've been deer hunting before, but at this point in my life, it'd seem more like shooting a dog than something I needed to eat for sustenance.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Except for other people***
Jan 3, 2020, 9:16 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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well, yeah.
Jan 3, 2020, 9:21 AM
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That kind goes without saying.
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Oculus Spirit [97724]
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A man drive you replace the dogs with men, basically
Jan 3, 2020, 9:11 AM
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Usually they're done on much smaller acreage. Get some people to encircle an area, maybe 5-10 acres. Then another 5 people or so walk in the middle of that circle and scare the deer out. Guys on the outside of the circle shoot the deer as they escape the "drive". Guys inside the circle shoot if they get close to a deer. VERY dangerous.
With dogs you can make that circle much, much bigger. Perhaps 100-300 acres. I've seen 400+ acres with 120 dogs. The dogs have an advantage because they can track the deer to where they laid up, jumping them and the deer and dogs then run. Usually no one is in the drive. If so, a few dog drivers like to walk with their dogs in the drive. But it's MUCH bigger, and they don't walk far and rarely get to the edge of the drive where the standers can shoot them.
One day I will write a book about how it's supposed to be done. How it was done many decades ago. As far as I know there isn't one really.
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Oculus Spirit [97724]
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That's how my great-grandfather hunted
Jan 3, 2020, 8:57 AM
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Got on his horse and walked through the woods. A horse does not spook a deer as easily as a man walking. As such, you can walk right up (closer) to them on a horse before they jump and run. Easy gunshot. He'd be seen frequently on his horse walking out of the woods/fields dragging 2-3 deer behind on ropes.
His son started the dog hunting club in 1940 in Colleton County.
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All-In [38514]
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Read Born to Run.
Jan 3, 2020, 9:41 AM
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Man evolved as persistence hunters. Our evolutionary edge was running our prey to exhaustion.
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A friend of a friend got killt that way.***
Jan 3, 2020, 7:02 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97724]
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Yep. Lots of people die on dog drives. More on man drives.
Jan 3, 2020, 8:34 AM
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Even our own club doesn't follow the rules I posted anymore. That's why I won't take my son, and that's a shame.
Different time. Different people. Totally different now.
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All-In [38514]
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Maybe they need more good guys with guns?***
Jan 3, 2020, 9:38 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97724]
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They need more responsible people doing things
Jan 3, 2020, 10:22 AM
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the right way. Getting harder and harder to find that combination today. Not just in hunting.
True story. Last dog drive I went on down there there was a wreck at the hunting club. One dog driver backed into the truck of another one right there by the campfire at the clubhouse. 97% sure the guy was still drunk from his bender the night before. Luckily they were friends and didn't get into a fight. Guys don't take care of their dogs as well either. Just sad.
I don't run the club like my father and grandfather before him, and great grandfather before him. Honestly, if I ran it the right way, no one would hunt there. My cousin was running it and we had membership problems and he relented and it is now run by people outside the family. And they attracted a lot of new members, but the quality of the experience, and the safety, declined. I am waiting for the nail in the coffin when the landwoner outlaws dog driving in the lease. They have on all of their land east of the Edisto. The day is coming when the lease will not allow dog driving, and that will be the end. The land the dog driving club hunts is leased. We only still hunt on the family land now.
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How do you mistake 2 people for deer?
Jan 3, 2020, 9:38 AM
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Are they hunting with automatic weapons and just unloading into the woods at any sound?
Not sure how you mistake one person for a deer. Isn't the #1 rule of hunting that you only take a shot after you've clearly identified what you're shooting at?
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One shot from the right load and range from a shotgun.***
Jan 3, 2020, 10:38 AM
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110%er [7026]
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But definitely rule number one is to identify***
Jan 3, 2020, 10:39 AM
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110%er [7026]
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You would think.***
Jan 3, 2020, 12:31 PM
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Or you could just go to Publix for your meat***
Jan 3, 2020, 11:50 AM
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