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YOUR BALANCE
SACS weighs in on UNC scandal.
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SACS weighs in on UNC scandal.


Jun 11, 2015, 11:45 AM

this should rustle some academic UNC-ers who don't care about the whole sports thing.

http://abc11.com/education/unc-faces-additional-fallout-in-wake-of-scandal/777947/

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Bark.....no bite***


Jun 11, 2015, 11:57 AM



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Geville Tiger on Clemson football , "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


It didnt happen--


Jun 11, 2015, 11:58 AM

Keep trying,

Tarheeledtiger

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show me where i've ever said


Jun 11, 2015, 1:14 PM

it didn't happen?

you have a vivid imagination to go with your racist side

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you seem to think no athletes took the fraudulent courses,


Jun 11, 2015, 1:38 PM

therefore compromising their eligibility and you seem to think that any games won using said ineligible athletes(if they even existed) shouldn't be vacated...Feel free to provide links proving otherwise

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and i've asked you to prove


Jun 11, 2015, 1:43 PM

ineligibility...

and you failed to do so...

so again, when you get the power of NCAA enforcement, let us know

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players taking fraudulent classes remain eligible?


Jun 11, 2015, 2:03 PM

Only at unCHEAT guy, only at unCHEAT

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who died


Jun 11, 2015, 2:04 PM

and made you the king of NCAA enforcement?

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Can you not answer a simple question? How do athletes


Jun 11, 2015, 2:06 PM

who took fraudulent courses REMAIN ELIGIBLE?

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easy


Jun 11, 2015, 2:08 PM

athletes are eligible until either their school or their conference or the NCAA says they are/were ineligible.

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so you DON'T think taking the fraudulent courses


Jun 11, 2015, 2:14 PM

compromised their eligibility? Yes or No?

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can't you see


Jun 11, 2015, 2:19 PM

it doesn't matter what i think

it only matters what the NCAA thinks

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All I can see is your fear of having to answer simple yes/no


Jun 11, 2015, 2:20 PM

questions....why all the deflections?

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yes or no?***


Jun 11, 2015, 2:28 PM



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Funny how you always run when we get


Jun 11, 2015, 5:05 PM

to the yes or no huh? Isn't as much wiggle room for you deflect huh?

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what's funnier is


Jun 12, 2015, 9:13 AM

your posting multiple responses when you get impatient

OCD?

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Have you never done that? Careful how you answer***


Jun 12, 2015, 11:40 AM



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oh, and couldn't help but notice you failed to answer ..


Jun 12, 2015, 11:42 AM

AGAIN

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and that's funny


Jun 12, 2015, 12:33 PM [ in reply to Have you never done that? Careful how you answer*** ]

you do it even when i'm mocking you for it

you do make me laugh

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I'm amused by your ability to continually dodge


Jun 12, 2015, 12:58 PM

even the simplest of questions, so there's that

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As funny as your hypocrisy?


Jun 12, 2015, 1:06 PM [ in reply to and that's funny ]

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=17345828

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Oh Snap!!!!


Jun 12, 2015, 1:09 PM

By the way if UNC were to play Russia in anything.......I would pull for Russia.

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the hypocrisy is so ingrained in his unCHEAT DNA that he


Jun 12, 2015, 1:45 PM

probably didn't realize he had done it even after he read my post

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wow, i didn't realize your reading skills were so poor


Jun 12, 2015, 1:50 PM

i'll try to type down to, what, a second grade level from here on?

and the fact that you continue to post back-to-back responses is still amusing

and i really don't think you know what hypocrisy really means

but you probably aren't ready for another vocabulary lesson

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You ready to answer a couple of yes or no questions yet?***


Jun 12, 2015, 1:54 PM



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why should i bother?


Jun 12, 2015, 2:13 PM

you don't seem to be able to comprehend the answers you get

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you haven't answered the easy ones, like should unCHEAT


Jun 12, 2015, 2:29 PM

vacate wins won with ineligible athletes? Yes or No?

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Yes


Jun 12, 2015, 2:45 PM

Yes they should. Both NCAA Basketball Championship banners should be taken down.

I don't like Duke, but at least they don't hang any banners until all the players have diplomas

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see how easy that was @tarheeledtiger? Simple yes or no


Jun 12, 2015, 4:42 PM

try it sometime instead of always deflecting and or just running away

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duke?


Jun 15, 2015, 10:17 AM [ in reply to Yes ]

got any back up for that banner claim?

only thing i can find is a reference to the 1990 Final Four banner - of course i'm sure K was really excited about commemorating the worst title-game loss margin in NCAA history

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couldn't help but notice you dodged my question...


Jun 15, 2015, 12:24 PM

AGAIN...

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sorry


Jun 15, 2015, 1:22 PM

you forgot the answer?

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link to where you answered this question


Jun 15, 2015, 1:26 PM

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=17355857

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LOLzzzz***


Jun 15, 2015, 7:15 PM [ in reply to As funny as your hypocrisy? ]



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no fraud alleged by the NCAA, according to one reporter


Jun 15, 2015, 5:41 PM [ in reply to so you DON'T think taking the fraudulent courses ]

"The NCAA’s notice doesn’t hit UNC with academic fraud,"

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article24027001.html

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wow, so what do you call it when grades are assigned but no


Jun 15, 2015, 5:53 PM

work was done?

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doesn't matter


Jun 15, 2015, 7:02 PM

what i call it

or what you call it

or what a reporter calls it

all that matters is what the NCAA calls it

and we won't know until next year...

so you can keep on bloviating if you want...

but what's the point?

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What matters, and I forgive you due to your lack of quality


Jun 15, 2015, 7:29 PM

education, is that a precedence has been set before now. Institutions guilty of the same sort of violations that UNCheat has, have suffered punishments that have included vacating wins and championships. See, in law, when there is a precedence that has been set, the argument is easy because the outcome has been predetermined. Even though, the punishment for UNCheat has not been revealed, if the NCAA is consistent, we all, just like you, know what is coming down.






Wait, not that one...








Ahhh, now that's the one, LOL!!!



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This post is most beautiful


Jun 15, 2015, 8:42 PM

You have brought tears of joy to mine eyes

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in his head, unCHEAT has yet to do anything wrong, otherwise


Jun 15, 2015, 10:40 PM [ in reply to What matters, and I forgive you due to your lack of quality ]

he wouldn't continually make excuses for them

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you're clueless


Jun 16, 2015, 8:33 AM

but sometimes entertaining

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forgot the link


Jun 16, 2015, 8:35 AM

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=17344324#17344324

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perfect example of your bias, you think they are going to


Jun 16, 2015, 12:19 PM

let you keep those tainted titles? After it took them years to twist the truth out of your crooked admin? You truly take the cake.

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opinions vary


Jun 16, 2015, 1:47 PM

this U. L. Card write doesn't think the sanctions will be that bad...

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/6/5/8735807/north-carolina-basketball-academic-scandal-ncaa-2015




{from this thread}

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maybe by next spring it won't just be mental ############ for you and all your wet drams about UNC will come true?

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you're reaching now...keep "draming"***


Jun 16, 2015, 1:54 PM



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you better hope that Louisville beat writer has a seat on


Jun 16, 2015, 1:56 PM

the NCAA enforcement committee

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you mean you don't know?


Jun 16, 2015, 2:01 PM

you seem to be the expert on what the NCAA should do

enlighten us.... again...

but as i've said before, the only opinion that matters is the NCAA's

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If the only opinion that matters is the NCAA's, why pray


Jun 16, 2015, 2:08 PM

would you link a sportsblog? Or ask for mine? Thank you for playing, I'll keep asking and you'll keep losing

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did you really think i was asking your opinion?


Jun 16, 2015, 5:17 PM

really? surely, you're not that dense..

i guess my prior attempt to hone your reading comprehension didn't go so well?

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=17352047

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you make way too many typos to question someone else's


Jun 16, 2015, 7:22 PM

intelligence tardheel, stick to running away from questions, it's like you were born to do it

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and you're too scared to answer my questions, which I


Jun 16, 2015, 12:16 PM [ in reply to you're clueless ]

find incredibly entertaining

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whatever...


Jun 16, 2015, 1:45 PM

SSDD

you keep asking the same questions..

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and I will continue asking the SAME questions over and over


Jun 16, 2015, 2:04 PM

until you answer or leave...the choice is yours...Personally, I hope you keep running until they serve the punishment, I never get tired of watching you respond without answering, incredibly entertaining to see you squirm, knowing I've got you talked into a corner...It'll get better when the sanctions are handed out and the banners come down...18 years of academic shenanigans spanning over the course of 4 Basketball coaches...You just think you're ashamed NOW, wait...it'll get MUCH worse...I promise

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wow, you are delusional


Jun 16, 2015, 2:12 PM

actually the way i see it is that you'll keep posting the same claptrap no matter what i say... and

what is it about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?...

but some of your bloviation is amusing

you keep on hatin' and i'll keep on laughing :)

{but for now i have to get to work}

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you think y'all are going to skate and I'm delusional? Keep


Jun 16, 2015, 2:18 PM

posting and I'll keep asking...That's how the NCAA investigators FINALLY got the dirt...

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Actually...


Jun 16, 2015, 2:24 PM

in my estimation, the ultimate thank-you for FINALLY getting some light shined on the many cockroaches scurrying about in chapelhole belongs about 60% to Dan Kane (and Jane Stancil) nd 40% to a group of NCSt internet explorers who refused to let light blue smoke obfuscate plagiarism and a couple of other issues

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I know, I'm just having some(more) fun at tardheeledtiger's


Jun 16, 2015, 2:48 PM

expense...We owe a great debt of gratitude to NCSU alums for their hard work...

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He cant do it. Unc cant do it. Alum cant do it


Jun 16, 2015, 8:59 PM [ in reply to and I will continue asking the SAME questions over and over ]

They just cant admit it. Tell the truth or electric chair and they will say flip that switch

They just cant admit it. Its almost charming. So tarheel, if you are out there, carry on ! Name, rank and social. Never give in!

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I'm telling you, the denial is in their DNA.***


Jun 17, 2015, 12:47 AM



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Just curious, but at what point


Jun 17, 2015, 10:25 AM

do coaches that might have had a bonus clause in their contract for ACC championships speak out or possibly file lawsuits against UNC? We all saw the ACC championship game in 2008 that Swoffy had clearly hand picked tobacco roads finest officials to make sure handsboy and roychild made a very unlikely comeback, but now we find out hansilliterate (who took multiple AFAM classes (http://www.si.com/vault/2007/03/19/8403007/tyler-hansbrough but still couldn't read in English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JieHmC9DH8) was retroactively ineligible. So does Oliver Purnell deserve a bonus he was cheated out of? Would OP still be here if they hadn't cheated him out of an ACC championship? You know how many schools have former coaches that might very well be asking these same questions, and rightfully so?

Don't get me wrong, there are way too many lawyers and frivolous lawsuits in this litigious society we live in that I would ever advocate suing just for the sake of money, but I would think a coach that taught principles and maintaining a high level of sportsmanship while competing at a high level would be pissed to watch this scandal unfold and know they got cheated. I wouldn't be surprised if they start taking some action.

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Did he say libary?***


Jun 17, 2015, 11:54 AM



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"...when a-a corn fell" - No Tyler, its "an acorn"***


Jun 18, 2015, 9:31 AM



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You want proof unCHEAT gave out grades? He can't read


Jun 18, 2015, 4:36 PM

at a 2nd grade level and he graduated, there's MY poof tarheeledtiger
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No, it has no bearing on the outcome, it does matter though,


Jun 15, 2015, 10:38 PM [ in reply to doesn't matter ]

otherwise you wouldn't keep responding while never answering...I've never seen someone on a message board so afraid of having to state an opinion or answer a simple question.

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Re: doesn't matter


Jun 15, 2015, 11:59 PM [ in reply to doesn't matter ]

Typical bluebelly

The "Carolina Way" is alive and well

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We do Chicken right...it's not just for frying anymore!


Almost 2 decades of academic shenanigans and he acts like


Jun 16, 2015, 12:25 AM

they shouldn't vacate any wins, he's certainly too chickensh!t to post his opinion on the matter

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Shack- all credit to you


Jun 15, 2015, 7:17 PM [ in reply to wow, so what do you call it when grades are assigned but no ]

You are a gamer

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Tip of the Cap to you as well***


Jun 15, 2015, 10:41 PM



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The people I feel the worst for


Jun 11, 2015, 12:02 PM

are the UNC grads with African and African American Studies degrees. The ones who took real classes for real grades and still graduated. Who will in good conscience hire them knowing there's a chance they aren't any more educated than your average high school grad?

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I know a certain unCHEAT apologist who isn't going to


Jun 11, 2015, 12:34 PM

like this... Tarheeledtiger, remember when you told me I was stupid for suggesting they might lose their accreditation? good times good times

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They aren't losing their accredidation though***


Jun 11, 2015, 11:29 PM



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Not yet***


Jun 12, 2015, 1:33 AM



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They also aren't going to lose their accreditation


Jun 12, 2015, 1:35 AM

I laid it out for you pretty well in the other post.

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They would if they were SCSU, their saving grace is their


Jun 12, 2015, 1:43 AM

size, I would hardly brag on their ability to avoid their rightful punishment for the largest academic scandal the NCAA has seen in my lifetime and I'm no spring chicken

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@tarheeledtiger, do they suspend accreditation for


Jun 11, 2015, 12:38 PM

baseless accusations, or are you willing to admit it MIGHT be more than smoke in this case?

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you can't tell the difference between


Jun 11, 2015, 1:13 PM

SACS and Swofford?

really?

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here. let me jog your poor memory


Jun 11, 2015, 1:33 PM

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=17282744

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how confused can you be?


Jun 11, 2015, 1:37 PM

or are you being intentionally obtuse*

i'll ask the question again... in a slightly different way:



Can you tell the difference between SACS and Swofford?




{* but you're not nearly clever enough for that...}

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Do you not remember scoffing at my suggestion that unCHEAT


Jun 11, 2015, 1:41 PM

should rightfully lose their accreditation? I clearly provided a link

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and guess what?


Jun 11, 2015, 1:44 PM

UNC did not lose accreditation

so i guess i was right to scoff?

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you're on probation, do they put innocent schools on


Jun 11, 2015, 1:54 PM

probation? Guess you weren't right to scoff after all huh? I'm a lot closer than you were guy

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keep telling yourself that


Jun 11, 2015, 1:56 PM

if it makes you feel better

there are several salacious jokes to be made at your expense, but i'll refrain.. just to keep it somewhat civil :)

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keep backpedaling guy...I said they should lose their


Jun 11, 2015, 2:01 PM

accreditation and they are on probation for a year. You seemed to think it wouldn't happen and it still might. Did you think unCHEAT would be put on probation by SACS? You tell me who was closer to the truth...if you can...you seem to have trouble answering simple yes or no questions so I know getting a real answer will be a stretch

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you were wrong


Jun 11, 2015, 2:07 PM

you said "lose"

and they didn't "lose" accreditation

that's pretty clear cut. to put it into your 'yes or no' scenario you seem so enamored of:

did UNC lose accreditation? No.

but, again, you'll see it how ever it makes you feel better

your misguided persistence is entertaining, i'll continue to give you that

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so you do know how yes/no questions work? Why are you afraid


Jun 11, 2015, 2:11 PM

to answer ANY of mine? You scoffed at my suggestion, but the probation means I was closer to the truth than you...shocker right?

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let's go back to that 'yes or no'


Jun 11, 2015, 2:21 PM

Did UNC lose accreditation?

No.


but if it makes you feel better that it was an option, cling to it to your heart's content

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were they close? yes or no? If you admit they were close,


Jun 11, 2015, 2:24 PM

then obviously you were wrong for admittedly scoffing at the mere suggestion...Thank You for playing

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Show me where in my statement I asked that question***


Jun 11, 2015, 2:26 PM [ in reply to let's go back to that 'yes or no' ]



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vocabulary time


Jun 11, 2015, 7:23 PM

here's your phrase for the day:

rhetorical question

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rhetorical+question

I asked the question...

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=17350716


although you refuse to accept the accurate answer

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How much longer you gonna dodge my simple questions?


Jun 11, 2015, 7:38 PM

the more you try to squirm, the more I'll ask...Yes or no, do you think athletes who took fraudulent courses compromised their eligibility? Secondly, do you think unCHEAT should vacate wins in games ineligible athletes participated in? Simple enough, lets see if you can respond accordingly THIS time guy...I have my doubts

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You are debating someone who attended a fraudulent school


Jun 11, 2015, 9:10 PM

Good luck . You are better off talking to a toaster

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It's not much of a debate, he can't seem to answer simple


Jun 11, 2015, 9:29 PM

yes or no questions. He seems to just ignore those.

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vocabulary time, lesson 2


Jun 12, 2015, 8:13 AM [ in reply to How much longer you gonna dodge my simple questions? ]

"no"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/no


what part of this earlier response isn't clear?


so, no i won't agree with you.


viz:

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=17347406#17347406

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so you think the players that got fake grades for no work


Jun 12, 2015, 11:45 AM

shouldn't lose their eligibility...Shocker

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but it's not shocking


Jun 12, 2015, 12:32 PM

that you think you are the ultimate arbiter of eligibility, not the NCAA

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I don't think that, but I do think your players should have


Jun 12, 2015, 1:03 PM

compromised their eligibility when they took the fraudulent classes they were steered to by their appointed advisers(probably the same people grading the sham courses) and I think unCHEAT should vacate all wins(including titles) in which players who compromised their eligibility(by taking the fake classes )played in...Call me crazy

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They should be stripped of their accreditation.


Jun 11, 2015, 12:44 PM

All UNC diplomas, past and present, should be declared null and void. All UNC properties should be razed, and all of Chapel Hill should be sowed with salt.

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“I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. …”


now we're talking***


Jun 11, 2015, 1:03 PM



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^^^^^This Juan is very thorough. :)^^^^^***


Jun 11, 2015, 5:36 PM [ in reply to They should be stripped of their accreditation. ]



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THIS GUY SPEAKETH DA TRUFF !!!!***


Jun 11, 2015, 10:44 PM [ in reply to They should be stripped of their accreditation. ]



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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


The overreaction is well and alive with this one***


Jun 11, 2015, 11:28 PM [ in reply to They should be stripped of their accreditation. ]



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I 2nd this!***


Jun 12, 2015, 1:37 PM [ in reply to They should be stripped of their accreditation. ]



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well that was a strongly worded letter.


Jun 11, 2015, 1:20 PM

That will show them.

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This is great!***


Jun 11, 2015, 7:37 PM



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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Unc scandal makes our 80's violations seem like child's play


Jun 11, 2015, 10:33 PM

Justice is best served cold

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Sounds like someone got a serious


Jun 15, 2015, 11:49 PM

talking to. Maybe a slap on the wrist. Sounds more like a threat to slap them on the wrist.

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We do Chicken right...it's not just for frying anymore!


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