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So it'll just get rolled back again the next presidency.
Apr 1, 2022, 1:04 PM
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Rinse and repeat.
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Oculus Spirit [79377]
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You can't just play this game with auto mfg
Apr 1, 2022, 1:28 PM
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The R&D for new models/designs takes years to put together, as does the tooling required to produce them. The govt. is basically forcing them to produce vehicles that nobody wants, and in doing so they'll have to mark up the price on the ones people do want, pricing more people out of the new car market. They'll focus on producing higher priced/higher margin vehicles, you see that in the boating industry right now. RIP Henry Ford's dream. Since our economy is driven largely by auto manufacturing, this will have quite the ripple effect as all sorts of facilities have to scale back production. For instance, BMW's production has stayed pretty steady here in Greer, they're even expanding to build a stamping facility...So we're doing alright down here. But a lot of the guys in Detroit are getting rekt right now because they're dependent on the Big 3 and their usually high volumes.
This is another instance of people who have no idea what they're talking about making policy...They either have zero foresight of the future ramifications, or this is intentionally designed to eliminate private vehicle ownership from middle and lower classes. I have no doubt the next step would be the mother of all cash for clunkers programs to squeeze the used car market and reduce transportation options for lower income people.
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Re: You can't just play this game with auto mfg
Apr 1, 2022, 1:57 PM
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right now their R&D is focused on electrics and hydrogen, and making a more car fuel-efficient does not take a lot of effort, just less fun to drive.
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Oculus Spirit [79377]
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Not many people actually want an electric car though, and we
Apr 1, 2022, 2:11 PM
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don't have the energy grid/infrastructure to sustain them even if they did. Govt. emissions/safety requirements are a big hindrance to fuel efficiency as well, so they're squeezing manufacturers at both ends. I haven't heard much out of hydrogen cell development lately, I know Toyota was working on that tech awhile back.
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Heisman Winner [111220]
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all good points
Apr 1, 2022, 2:27 PM
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charging an EV is like running 7 microwaves for 2 hours.
Hydrogen, from what I understand, will replace diesel for long-haul transport and industrial machinery. The batteries last much longer than lithium-ion, up to 250k miles, but they are less efficient and more expensive, at least right now. But I think over the long haul everything will move to hydrogen, it is just too expensive for most consumers right now. From what I have been told, lithium-ion and solar are just stepping stones to hydrogen.
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Oculus Spirit [80935]
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hydrogen power is the real end goal.
Apr 1, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Specifically when we figure out how to break hydrogen free from water economically. The problem now is the energy required to do that.
Currently, we're getting most hydrogen from breaking it away from fossil fuels (natural gas), so we're really not saving anything from a carbon footprint perspective.
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The energy to break H from O
Apr 2, 2022, 3:54 AM
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In water is a given. Chemistry. Its a lot.
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They also ignore free markets and the consumer
Apr 1, 2022, 2:01 PM
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making the choice to spend more or less on gas. We must be told what to drive. Ridiculous
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IKR?
Apr 1, 2022, 2:09 PM
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I have had my eyes on this abrams tank for a couple of years now, dumb government says it is not street legal. Since when do things need to be street legal?, this must have happened under Biden.
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Re: IKR?
Apr 1, 2022, 2:58 PM
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Trolling with false equivalencies. It what you do.
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Re: IKR?
Apr 1, 2022, 3:19 PM
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It's cute when you try to appear smart.
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Oculus Spirit [79377]
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The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that they don't want us
Apr 1, 2022, 2:19 PM
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to drive at all. Caravans of V8-V12 armored SUV's for the rule makers, public buses for us. Look at them now, traveling around in private jets as they lecture the rest of us poors about the harm of keeping our thermostat too low in the summer.
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Oculus Spirit [80935]
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I very much think the auto manufacturers are driving the
Apr 1, 2022, 2:25 PM
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car/truck to a subscription model to guarantee revenue.
They want vehicle to be like monthly bill for every one thats a pay per use kinda thing.
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What you just said came from the mouth of GM's CEO
Apr 1, 2022, 2:44 PM
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In that, he could make more money leasing driverless cars by the mile than selling them to consumers, SO there is your they. When cars become autonomous, the next step is to take them away completely, so you are not far off there. It would be sold to us under the name of public safety.
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2034... Only a half century late. Not bad.***
Apr 1, 2022, 3:22 PM
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Re: 2034... Only a half century late. Not bad.***
Apr 1, 2022, 3:26 PM
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I seem to recall Winston Smith having to walk to work.
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Elites were already on Elysium... Bezos and Musk preppin'.***
Apr 1, 2022, 3:29 PM
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fuel efficiency standards are bullsh*t***
Apr 1, 2022, 2:05 PM
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Re: this is great news
Apr 1, 2022, 10:46 PM
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But Balm if they were that interested why wouldn’t they make electric cars way cheaper? The only electric car I see warpath a dang is the GMC Electric hummer which is what suites my needs. It only starts at 100k !
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Re: RIP trucks
Apr 1, 2022, 12:55 PM
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This administration cannot help themselves. Everyday a new nail in the economy’s coffin.
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dont you just love those cars that stop at every light
Apr 1, 2022, 1:03 PM
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and restart when you hit the gas pedal? so good
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Re: dont you just love those cars that stop at every light
Apr 1, 2022, 1:17 PM
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My wife has a Honda passport that does that. Pisses me off every time.
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Re: dont you just love those cars that stop at every light
Apr 1, 2022, 1:32 PM
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I have a company provided Chevy Malibu. I've had this one for 2 years and one before that for 3 years that did the same thing. It was weird at first but I really don't notice it anymore.
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Re: They remind me of something
Apr 1, 2022, 2:55 PM
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I want the 2-stroke version that pukes 150 cars worth of carbon/pollution.
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Re: RIP trucks
Apr 1, 2022, 1:35 PM
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I’m thinking about getting a Prius to pull my tractor around. Got to do my part to combat climate change. I should have no trouble pulling it right?
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Okay... I guess the value of my '15 GMC Sierra just rose...***
Apr 1, 2022, 1:36 PM
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yah, freedom!***
Apr 1, 2022, 2:04 PM
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Re: RIP trucks
Apr 1, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Such bullchit.
Put your money where your mouth is...why don't the dumbcrats pass a bill that says if you are registered democrat you must drive a car that gets a least 40 mpg.
What is the problem with that?
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Maverick is said to get 40mpg on highway already
Apr 1, 2022, 4:39 PM
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So, no, I don't think trucks are going away.
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Re: Maverick is said to get 40mpg on highway already
Apr 1, 2022, 5:24 PM
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Trucks that can tow a boat do not get 40 mpg. Those Trump boat parades really pizzed off the left.
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They will shortly***
Apr 1, 2022, 6:06 PM
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You don’t tow much, do you?***
Apr 1, 2022, 9:28 PM
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Re: RIP trucks
Apr 1, 2022, 6:14 PM
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When all vehicles get 40 mpg can we finally put this climate change nonsense behind us?
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Good thing I sold off all my truck nuts stock.***
Apr 1, 2022, 8:04 PM
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Why don’t people want better gas mileage?
Apr 2, 2022, 10:09 AM
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Imagine a world where car/truck manufacturers design engines that are more efficienct. Such that you could drive a vehicle you drive today, but with 40mpg.
What truck driver wouldn’t want to spend less on gas?
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We’ve just about reached peak efficiency with the internal
Apr 2, 2022, 11:02 AM
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Combustion engine. They are incredibly clean, emissions-wise, currently.
This new level now required isn’t going to be reached by innovation so much as cuts in capabilities and massive increases in expense.
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Re: Why don’t people want better gas mileage?
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Everyone does. But as stated above, the ICE has reached about its max potential. The only thing to do now is reduce power and drag i.e. Toyota Corolla. Trucks are extremely clean and energy efficient for the amount of work that they can do. The most recent boosts in truck mpg were due to transmissions, turbos, and weight and little to do with extracting more energy from a gallon of gas.
Remember when the mustang became the mustang II?
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I’d put good money on you putting H-pipes and pulleys on
Apr 2, 2022, 12:35 PM
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That car. You couldn’t find a 5.0 without that mod in the 80’s.
If they handled worth a crap and had seats that didn’t look like they came from the Aerostar, I would have probably given in and bought one, but I was too in love with my 16v VW’s with glorious Recaro seats and BBS wheels.
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Re: I’d put good money on you putting H-pipes and pulleys on
Apr 2, 2022, 12:43 PM
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I wish. GTI.
Apr 2, 2022, 4:03 PM
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Couple buddies had Corrados though, G60 and VR6. Those are so sweet.
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