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Rewatching Game Analysis
Aug 15, 2018, 3:35 PM
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First post, here goes nothing
Just finished rewatching the VT and Louisville games from last season and somethings really stuck out to me:
1. Dorian O Daniel's Pick 6's were absolutely crucial to the wins in both cases. HUGE momentum swings in both games when the games could have really gone either way, but those two plays really served to put the games away.
2. Contrary to the belief voiced by some, Tavien Feaster was an absolute beast especially in the Louisville game. He was the workhorse back in both games. While other backs might have hit on the big plays, he was absolutely crucial to both wins in terms of volume of carries.
3. Kelly Bryant actually was good in both games. Had some bad luck on penalties and did overthrow receivers a good bit, but he also showed flashed of brilliance (i.e. the absolute dart to Ray Ray against Virginia Tech and a crucial third down conversion to Overton that set up a Choice TD run against Louisville). I think the Sugar Bowl really clouded our judgement and this guy, with another year of training under his belt, actually has the potential to legitimately beat out TL because KB has talent. This is not to say KB is infallible but I think he is better than we sometimes give him credit for.
Would love to hear your thoughts, opinions.
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Re: Rewatching Game Analysis
Aug 15, 2018, 3:44 PM
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Against VT: take away the Feaster TD, which was a result of a blown assignment by VT, and KB was 11/20 for 126 yards with 0 TDs and 0 INTs. Those passing numbers are very similar to FSU, Auburn, and Bama (the 3 best defenses we played last year).
Bama: 18/36, 124 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs
FSU: 20/30, 151 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs
Auburn: 19/29, 181 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs
Against the 4 best defenses Clemson faced last year, KB threw 1 TD in 16 quarters of football. And that 1 TD was the result of a blown coverage, and a pass that traveled 10 yards through the air. If you look at those numbers objectively, you couldn’t possibly come to the conclusion that KB is a good passer.
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Re: Rewatching Game Analysis
Aug 15, 2018, 3:50 PM
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Just because the majority of our touchdowns came on the ground does not impact the fact that Kelly Bryant is a good passer. It just speaks more to the fact of what we liked to do in the red zone, which was pound the ball in with Choice, Feaster, or Etienne. He still managed to move the ball effectively against those defenses and I think the low passing numbers against those reflect more towards how good those defenses were rather than how good or bad KB was.
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So KB throwing for less than a TD a game,over the course of
Aug 15, 2018, 4:14 PM
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the season was by design? Do you also think the coaches told him to throw uncatchable balls on the deep routes too?
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Re: So KB throwing for less than a TD a game,over the course of
Aug 15, 2018, 4:18 PM
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Again, not saying he was infallible, just saying better than people give him credit for.
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I'm saying that 13 passing TDs in 14 games ain't gonna get
Aug 15, 2018, 4:39 PM
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it done at a school renowned for our WRs...Period...And trying to say the scheme wasn't a result of his obvious limitations is laughable at best
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Re: Rewatching Game Analysis
Aug 15, 2018, 6:38 PM
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"It just speaks more to the fact of what we liked to do in the red zone, which was pound the ball in with Choice, Feaster, or Etienne. "
I have a theory as to why this might be true. It is possible that our coaches realize KB's weakness throwing the ball, and tends to stall drives by missing too many targets. His strength is running the ball, and that is exactly what our team chose to do all season long.
Again - my theory, but I'm just a very logical person, and that's the only way I can explain why we ran so much. Of course I predicted a 70/30 run/pass before last season started, which did not occur I don't think. I saw no way we would be 50/50 run/pass as that would constantly stall drives, which happened more times than we want to think about. Of course the 70/30 plan would allow DC's to stack the box, which is sort of what Bama did, but requires a really great D to force KB to pass.
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FWIW, Louisville and VT were both garbage...They wouldn't
Aug 15, 2018, 4:09 PM
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have made the Sugar Bowl if you combined their teams
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Re: FWIW, Louisville and VT were both garbage...They wouldn't
Aug 15, 2018, 4:23 PM
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Good lord, not a single poster in this thread has played one down of college football. KB KB KB KB KB.......... Did we beat Auburn and VT and FSU? Yes, tough games all but guess what, we won. Maybe if we had lost a couple of those, the narrative would be different.
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Link to where it says you can't give legit criticisms until
Aug 15, 2018, 4:27 PM
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yo play at least one down of College Ball? Do I need a medical degree to know a heart attack is bad?
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Re: Link to where it says you can't give legit criticisms until
Aug 15, 2018, 4:41 PM
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You're like the people before the draft who criticized DW4 because he threw too many interceptions, he was careless with the ball, etc. They had legit criticisms too, but like you, were just flat out wrong.
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Re: Link to where it says you can't give legit criticisms until
Aug 15, 2018, 4:58 PM
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No, he's the one that's right....the rest of you are in denial and want to just throw stats out the window. I've even today shown the stats that account for the WR's dropping passes (in an extreme version of give KB benefit of the doubt), and he was still at very best 31% on throws past 20.
VT game was his third lowest completions of the season (@ 57.1%)....Bama and NC State being the only other 2 worse. That's not moving the ball efficiently, no matter how you slice it....
And since some of discussion is efficiency in moving the ball by passing (not counting what we all know his strength is), does it not bother you that a true freshman Blackman on a team that played us with a 3-6 record was higher than KB in passing efficiency..., Malik Rosier, who couldn't score a single TD vs us in the ACC-CG is only 3 below him, and the Jake Bentley everyone on here likes to say throws bad and can't hit the broad side of the barn was only 4 spots lower than KB??
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/8/p2
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Re: Link to where it says you can't give legit criticisms until
Aug 15, 2018, 5:18 PM
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Honest question: do you think if they just threw TL out there then all the problems will be solved?
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I'm willing to bet 3 fingers on my right hand that TL would
Aug 15, 2018, 5:22 PM
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throw for at least 14 TDs if he started all 14 games
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Re: I'm willing to bet 3 fingers on my right hand that TL would
Aug 15, 2018, 6:41 PM
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^^^LOL - TL would throw 14 TD's in his FIRST game if he were allowed to do so by the coaches. DW4 threw 7 in one game I think (or maybe had 7 total run and pass).
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Re: Link to where it says you can't give legit criticisms until
Aug 15, 2018, 6:18 PM
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Well, not sure why you diverted to Trevor just to take the view off what I posted... But what makes you think he couldn't? Just because you have a view that there's no way a freshman could do it, though 2 played in the national championship? How much experience did Cam really have the year he went with Auburn? He may have played 2 years at FL, but how much? I wouldn't exactly say he was experienced either, but you saw the results.
But yeah, he might could. I'd also bet the deep passing game would improve... And unlike some, I feel the running game would be just fine with the backs we have and don't think we necessarily have to have a run dominant QB now, just need one that can extend plays and possibly run a few plays where called for (which Trevor has in fact showed in practices and in the spring game), but not be the second biggest runner of the team. I'm sure all 3 could fit that bill... That is if Kelly doesn't read run first and improves his passing.
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Re: Link to where it says you can't give legit criticisms until
Aug 15, 2018, 5:28 PM
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jalen hurts 20th most efficient qb. Alabama fans are the first to say how they want tua and dismiss Jalen. they dont appreciate Jalen like we appreciate Kelly. I've always thought Jalen is a better qb than Kelly, but we won't act like the world is ending if Kelly starts as a lower tier player
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