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Remember when KB went 12-2 ??
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Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 12:48 PM

12-1 in ACC with the only loss at Syracuse by a field goal….

I refer to it as the “forgotten season” but this season is making me remember it in a different light…

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Any season that we beat the coots is a great season***


Nov 15, 2021, 12:48 PM



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There's something in these hills.


Re: Any season that we beat the coots is a great season***


Nov 15, 2021, 12:58 PM

we beat the coots in '98 w/ a 3-8 record... still a great season?

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Yes


Nov 15, 2021, 1:38 PM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1282845897433513985

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Re: Yes


Nov 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

so, we fired our coach after a "great season"? any season w/ only 3 wins is not a great season. a great season doesn't pivot on us beating the coots. that mentality sounds a lil coot-ish, tbh.

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 12:49 PM

KB did not have the arm talent, but he was a baller.

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I remember being so frustrated


Nov 15, 2021, 1:06 PM

with the offense that year.

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Re: I remember being so frustrated


Nov 15, 2021, 1:10 PM

Compared to now?

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Pretty sure we didn't go 12-1 in the ACC***


Nov 15, 2021, 12:50 PM



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If memory serves....


Nov 15, 2021, 1:00 PM

you attended 0 of those 13 ACC games.

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Re: If memory serves....


Nov 15, 2021, 1:11 PM

This may be true ..

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I was talking to bob...


Nov 15, 2021, 2:40 PM

and I immediately regretted it.

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Correction, KB road the defense to a 12-2 record.***


Nov 15, 2021, 12:55 PM



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We were 11-1 in the regular season and then won the ACC


Nov 15, 2021, 1:08 PM

title game that brought our record to 12-1.

We lost to Alabama in the first round of the CFP, thus our final record in 2017 of 12.2

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Wrote***


Nov 15, 2021, 1:15 PM [ in reply to Correction, KB road the defense to a 12-2 record.*** ]



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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 12:58 PM

KB got knocked out(literally) of the Syracuse game. He only lost 1 game as a starter, and that was to an Alabama team that was NC that year.

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Well - yeah. The elephants were national champions because


Nov 15, 2021, 1:14 PM

KB couldn't beat them.


That's the only reason.

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 1:07 PM

I think it was a mixture of having more weapons on offense and an even better defense. We had ETN, Feaster, and Choice at running back, and we had McCloud, Cain, Renfrow, and a young Tee Higgins at receiver. DJ is certainly struggling this year, and I'm not saying he'd suddenly be lighting up the scoreboard with those players, but it certainly wouldn't hurt anything. I can only imagine what it'd do for his confidence to have a reliable guy like Renfrow to turn to whenever a play starts breaking apart.

Also, our defense that season was just special. We have an awesome defense this season which is the only reason we're at 7-3 instead of 3-7 or 4-6, but the defense that season was on a different level. I think we would've won the NC State and Pitt games this year with the 2017 defense. That isn't a knock against our defense this season and our offense is 99% to blame for both of those losses. It's just that the 2017 defense was so dominant that I think we would've won the NC State game this season without a doubt, and probably the Pitt game as well.

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 1:12 PM

The biggest difference between that offense and this season's offense is that the combination of KB, the OL, and the RBs consistently got to 3rd and less than 4.

The combination at those positions this season consistently gets to 3rd and more than 7.

Converting 3rd and short is easier to do than converting 3rd and long and so that offense stayed on the field.

Oddly enough the passing games for the 2 teams are incredibly similar but injuries this season have turned the WR corp into a much lesser product.

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 2:28 PM

You are 100% right. KB could run like crazy and could pass just enough to beat most teams. RB's were good but we aren't too bad now. Biggest difference comes to our OL, we are just flat out bad on the OL. KB was a good QB but not great. You can win ACC champ. games with him but not National Champ. games.

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 2:37 PM [ in reply to Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ?? ]

Just having Renfrow in the huddle would help this team. The confidence is just more there.

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I remember him taking his ball and going home


Nov 15, 2021, 1:08 PM

when he couldn’t beat out a true freshman for a starting position.

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 1:13 PM

Ok … 11-1 in the regular season and an ACC championship on top …

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 2:49 PM

Every player on the D except the linebackers went pro. Three receivers, one running back and a couple offensive linemen went pro. That team won a Natty the season before and after that season. There is no comparison between that season and this one except the weakest link was at QB.

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Re: Remember when KB went 12-2 ??


Nov 15, 2021, 3:35 PM

KB2 was a terrific athlete who could not hit the broad side of a barn with the football. DJ is a big, slow, insecure..........well, you get the picture.

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