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FL,TX, SC, AL, GA are just the worst for COVID.....
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FL,TX, SC, AL, GA are just the worst for COVID.....


Jul 6, 2020, 2:25 PM

That's all I hear 24/7. Those R governors are dumb, and the people are dumb, and they are all going to die because they will not listen to the science. Here is the typical headline every hour on any MSM platform of your choice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans


Upon closer analysis. UMMMMMM..........

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/


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I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't


Jul 6, 2020, 2:47 PM

immediately go up with new cases, right?

I genuinely hope that the deaths don't correlate and stay lower than what NY and NJ went through, but your post is really weird.

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Re: I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't


Jul 6, 2020, 2:50 PM

Its not weird. The "spikes" are due to unprecedented testing capability. The mortality rate goes down every day. Are you saying, eventually that every state will have the same number of deaths per million as NJ and NY? Wow....just wow.

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So if I stop checking the outside temperature in March


Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

it wouldn't be nearly as hot in July amirite?

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Nah man, that swampass is caused by


Jul 7, 2020, 8:08 AM

measuring the temperature.


Yes, I'm equating more folks being in the hospital due to Covid to swampass.

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Work on your reading comprehension.


Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM [ in reply to Re: I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't ]

soccerkrzy: I genuinely hope that the deaths don't correlate and stay lower than what NY and NJ went through, but your post is really weird.

KeoweeIndians: Are you saying, eventually that every state will have the same number of deaths per million as NJ and NY? Wow....just wow.


To quote you...wow...just wow.

What's unprecedented about our testing capability? Other countries have had the capability months ago and still better than us.

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Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Is the testing only better in southern states?


Jul 6, 2020, 2:55 PM [ in reply to Re: I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't ]

why no spike in northern states if the testing is so much better?

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My theory is viruses have community spread so


Jul 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

NY got hit harder at first because of the airport, population, etc... spread to NJ.

Southern/rural states didn't really have any cases back in April. Finally it has made its way down here. It will do its deal, hopefully nothing awful, and then migrate somewhere else. No idea where, but probably somewhere that has been fairly unaffected.

Don't feel like this is rocket science, but who knows.

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Really it was also because of their policy on nursing


Jul 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

homes, for which they should really be charged with manslaughter. It's shameful.

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Maybe...


Jul 6, 2020, 3:44 PM [ in reply to My theory is viruses have community spread so ]

in part. But there is no way you can escape the reality that states who opened back up thinking things were going great are all having surges now. There were localized outbreaks even at the very beginning of this and they were contained by limited interaction.

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I live in FL


Jul 6, 2020, 2:57 PM [ in reply to Re: I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't ]

and can tell you the percent positive has tripled in the past month or so. It's not just more testing, it's way more virus because people here aren't responsible and no one holds them to account.

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Wait. You mean the 40k people testing positive in Florida


Jul 6, 2020, 2:52 PM [ in reply to I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't ]

over the past 4 days haven't all died yet?

I'm not sure you can reason with the unreasonable.

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Re: Wait. You mean the 40k people testing positive in Florida


Jul 6, 2020, 3:12 PM

It’s funny that you root for the disease to kill. Like waiting on it to win.

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That's a pretty imbalanced reply my man


Jul 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

I think it's reasonable to assume that there WILL be deaths that result from 40k recent cases. I mean, drawing a line from using reason to "rooting" is pretty far fetched. Actually fcking stupid may be more accurate.

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Re: That's a pretty imbalanced reply my man


Jul 7, 2020, 4:06 PM



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Well done! Much more balanced, even by


Jul 7, 2020, 4:24 PM

your standards.

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Re: I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't


Jul 6, 2020, 3:11 PM [ in reply to I mean, you do realize that the death count doesn't ]

They don’t correlate. Look at the states that spiked in April. Since end of March you can’t hardly go anywhere without a mask. The South. Not so much. You all are freaking cause you sat on your hands for so long.

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What you are hearing about may actually be related to


Jul 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

the recent upswing in cases in those states.

But, it's probably all just more lies right? Chinavirus no exist, 125k people in the US aren't dead, it's all a democratic hoax to get the great Donald out of office, but but but Obama, etc.

Look at it this way: We know the earth is flat because if it was round all the water would fall to the southern hemisphere.

People will fall for anything these days won't they?

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Re: What you are hearing about may actually be related to


Jul 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

No, it's not a lie. I just find it amusing that it is so blatant to me, that the narrative is to shock people into thinking those states need to go back into "lock down". That is intent of the bombardment of these stories. And you are right, people will fall for anything. Hence the breathless reporting.

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Boss I don't think anyone wants lock down. I think people


Jul 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

want others to do their part so we don't have to.

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We've been over this for last 7 weeks.


Jul 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

Give it 2 weeks and watch the death numbers...

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We'll know in two to four weeks if this is currently


Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

all those states had their surges near the beginning of the outbreak. We are surging now.

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It's just funny how everyone has said "Give it 2 weeks"


Jul 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

since Memorial Day.

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Well, I think 2 is too short personally...


Jul 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

the gestation period is two weeks, but the deaths seem to come after sometimes long hospitalizations. It seems like most who die get really, really sick for a long time and then die.

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What a novel concept.***


Jul 6, 2020, 5:30 PM [ in reply to We'll know in two to four weeks if this is currently ]



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Ok, take off the political glasses for a second.


Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

Cities WILL have the highest rates of infection, with anything. They're densely populated. They also happen to be democratic, politically, overall, in the United States anyway fwiw. Now, bear with me here. Again, please forget politics for a minute.

Where millions of people live close together, and where economic activity and personal interactions occur more, more people get sick. That's common sense the world over forever. Anyway, in places like NYC, and northern cities that have the highest population densities in the US, when those places had the virus originally, when we locked down, their medical systems were overwhelmed with cases that had already occurred before the lockdowns had an effect (2-3 weeks later). DURING those two to 3 weeks hospitals were overwhelmed in NYC, and across densely populated states like NY, NJ, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc. When hospitals are overwhelmed, the death rate doubles or triples. Assuming medical care, the death rate from covid is 3% roughly, give or take. When hospitals can't treat everyone who needs to be treated, and/or they run out of vents, that death rate goes up to 10%. You saw that 10% in Italy where they spent several months with patients exceeding medical capacity. Old people were left to die as they tried to save younger people with the few vents they had. They split vents trying to add more capacity. They did this in NY too. NY topped out at 6% or so, slightly better than Italy. But make no mistake. The death rate from covid in a "natural" state, is around 10% for those who test positive (i.e. with symptoms). The only thing bringing the death rate down from the 1918 flu pandemic level is the benefit of oxygen and respirators. In a place where there is no supplemental oxygen, 10% is your death rate. If covid happened in 1918, it would have been just as bad (or worse) than the flu that year. Had the country not shut down, we would have seen at least a 10% death rate in most large cities. Some "red states" as you label them, WILL see those 10% death rates soon, starting in their largest cities, if their capacity to treat covid becomes insufficient. You do not go to the hospital with covid and get admitted unless you have OXYGEN DEPRIVATION and blood oxygen levels that are too low. That's the threshold for admission. Period. No hospital, no oxygen mask, no vent, then you're on your own to live or die.

Your list serves as a pretty good list of states by population density and it's far more reflective of that than politics for the purposes of a pandemic virus. And please remember again, any place where cases needing supplemental oxygen (hospitalization) outstrip medical capacity, the death rate climbs, by multiples. This is why we shut down, and it saved safely hundreds of thousands of lives, and actually gave us an opportunity to ease into working with precautions and finding a way to live with the virus and still not overwhelm hospitals. But ######### who can't see past an R or a D, or read or injest any news beyond our own borders, who live in a warped world where everything that sucks is political and not called LIFE, those people (both sides) have screwed up any hope we have of a best solution. That requires sacrifice and compromise. And leadership. We lack all of the above.

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Re: Ok, take off the political glasses for a second.


Jul 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

I agree with you on the facts. There is no watching the "news" without political glasses.

The point I am making is that the MSM is shaming the states with the new spikes based on their politics. Not according to death rates, but just case rate. Case rate means absolutely nothing. Do more cases equal more deaths? Of course. But the death rate is still, and will remain low in states like FL and TX. They were extremely high in the cities that were ill prepared, but that topic is dismissed by the MSM.

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I agree that the continued politicization of this is


Jul 6, 2020, 3:35 PM [ in reply to Ok, take off the political glasses for a second. ]

killing us. However, that was the 100 decibel narrative from day one of this, back in February. What we have today is a direct result of that, not unwoke people.

You noticed that the list in the OP was basically a list by population density. What this tells us is that the behavior of a virus is determined more by what it is than by what we do, unless one proposes that the populous states are also the stupid states. The virus has simply behaved as all viruses in history have behaved: It is invisible, aggressive, is spread buy the most normal of human activity. Mitigation efforts lengthen the time period over which people are exposed to it more than the actual number of people exposed. Every virus in history interacted with us by those rules, and this one cannot be any different.

However, from the very first news of it coming to the US the narrative has been about who to blame, not what to do, one that continues to this day. When the story is about who to blame, the blamees will push back. Even the alleged anti mask movement is a media generated myth. A USA Today poll showed that 88% of Americans said they had worn a mask at some point during the previous week, with 11% voicing resistance to wearing a mask (don't know what the remaining 1% is). It is true that people are not wearing them like they should, but it is not due to categorical refusal. The opportunity is there, but what people are hearing is the latest version of "its your fault", and that never, ever, generates anything but push back.

The holier-than-thou attitudes and posturing, and the politicizing, has to stop if we expect a unified effort. We did have an opportunity to protect a known at risk group - the elderly - but that opportunity came and went in the finger pointing battle in February. People wanted to generate political momentum by playing the blame game, so now we have what we have. Who killed those 80 year-olds? Besides the virus, for which no one is to blame, it was everyone who said it was "their fault" and who wanted an economic shutdown as the answer,.

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But half the people in TJ Maxx were maskless on July 3


Jul 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

when my wife was trying to buy my son some underwear. I'm not sure mask polls are any more accurate than political polls have been. Probably for the same reason.

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That is a pretty basic error. You looked at a point in time,


Jul 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

and are always looking at a poing in time. The poll was about behavior over a period of time. The conclusion was not that people were consistently wearing masks, but that there is not a significant philosophical or emotional barrier to wearing them.

Sure, polls have errors. But 88 to 11 is strong enough to show that the supposed movement of anti maskers is not large enough to hinder good leadership rather than finger pointing on this issue.

Your own example probably supports the poll and its conclusions. If half the people were not wearing masks, the question then is how many of those were categorically refusing to wear them. Even not knowing about the poll, a reasonable guess would be half or less. Heck, I carry a mask, and it is not unusual for me to forget it when I get out of the car. So, just on that, one is at 75 - 25, willing vs unwilling to wear masks. 75-25 vs 88-11. Meh. Conclusion remains: There is not a large 'anti mask' movement out there, not large enough to significantly hinger mitigation efforts. The problem with masks is not anti maskers.

People who make an error like that usually have a conclusion so locked in that they do not consider what is actually being said.

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Or, conversely...


Jul 6, 2020, 4:11 PM

they saw half the people in the store not wearing masks AFTER enactment of a city ordinance making it mandatory, and whether they were philosophically opposed to it or not they were stupid and breaking the law.

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Not required in TJ Maxx. But this morning I ran errands,


Jul 6, 2020, 4:22 PM

and most people were wearing masks, especially in the grocery store where compliance was close to 100%. Most people wore them in other places.

So, your experience at your point in time was different than my experience at my point in time. So, USA Today measured over time. A course in statistics might be instructive. Or maybe you are holding on to a notion that everyone else is a redneck. Or maybe it is important to you to see the world through a politicized grid. I don't know. But I do know you are holding onto a refusal to see a difference between point-in-time and over-time observations, and the different conclusions they lead to. What that is, only you know.

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One of the reasons for NY's high death rate


Jul 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

when compared to case rate is that testing had not been widespread at that time. For that reason, there were a LOT more cases that we never measured, and the death rate (which we obviously did count) reflects it.

I saw the difference in my own life: My aunt was able to get tested a few months ago because she was at particular risk, but my uncle was not--despite the obvious importance of having him tested since he lives with her. Just last week, on the other hand, my kid was tested just because she wanted to be. Anyone can get tested now.

So the only way to compare cases between different places is to look at a snapshot at one time. Comparing FL now to NY in April will be misleading.

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I've bitterly complained that the CDC maintained...


Jul 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

control over all testing until Trump ordered testing in private labs. The virus had been isolated and identified by a WA doctor two to three weeks before anyone here offered proper respect. The test which CDC used were of insufficient quality and quantity. When American private industry got involved testing grew in both.

I believe there are several more reasons the death rates have fallen. The CDC, FDA and NIH ordered citizens to wait until we showed three symptoms before we reported to doctors' offices, clinics and hospitals. That killed tens of thousands of Americans. Shame on them and shame on Trump and Governors who depended upon bureaucrats.

It was predicted that the virus should mutate and become easier spread and less fatal. That, your excellent and accurate point and the drugs which are showing promise in treating patients have created a much less deadly foe.

Another important factor in the covid death total is the way covid deaths are counted. Anyone dying with covid is counted as having died from covid. The federal government pays $33,000 to hospitals for treating covid patient. The incentive is there to call every heart attack, stroke or any other cause of death covid.

I agree, comparing covid deaths today to covid deaths two months ago tells us nothing other than the virus isn't killing as many now as it did then. Imo, the most likely reason is that people are now seeking medical help sooner due to being tested instead of waiting until they have a hard cough, body aches and a fever of 103.x. That was our standard three months ago. Basically, 'Wait until you have pneumonia before you show up at the hospital.'

A whole lot of people should be imprisoned for this BS.

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Re: I've bitterly complained that the CDC maintained...


Jul 7, 2020, 7:29 AM

Good points. I think the reason why, in the first few months, you had to show symptoms was because we did not yet have enough testing supplies. So it was essentially a triage issue: test everyone we can, starting with those with the most symptoms.

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At the risk of turning this into an argument rather than..


Jul 7, 2020, 8:19 AM

a discussion I will say the reason they didn't want anyone reporting to hospitals is because the common rhetoric from Fauci, Redfield and other top bureaucrats was that fatalities were going to reach 2-3 million, hospitals would be overrun and the medical infrastructure would collapse.

They seized the podium, the spotlight and dominated the nation with a damnable lie fabricated to manufacture a national emergency which propelled them to positions which usurped presidential power and gave them control over every facet of life in America.

Did I say imprisoned? I meant hanged in the town squares as sacrifice to the hoard of animals who brought the carnage we have in our streets. Perhaps in the locations where statues were ripped down.

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OK, let's keep it a discussion.


Jul 7, 2020, 4:02 PM

Let's start with your claim that Fauci, Redfield, and other top bureaucrats said fatalities would reach 2-3 million. Can you show me where they said that? Seriously I've never heard 2-3 million fatalities.

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