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Verdict! What's your bet?
Apr 20, 2021, 3:35 PM
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Re: Verdict! What's your bet?
Apr 20, 2021, 3:36 PM
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Murder 2, Biden is praying for that.
We will see just how much clout he has with the big guy.
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I'm leaning toward the Murder 3... middle road.***
Apr 20, 2021, 3:39 PM
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No matter what, riot.***
Apr 20, 2021, 3:41 PM
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Nah... Lonely times in solitude. No general population.***
Apr 20, 2021, 3:53 PM
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Re: Nah... Lonely times in solitude. No general population.***
Apr 20, 2021, 3:58 PM
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I think for a couple of grand, a guard would be willing to set up a conjugal visit with one the boys from A block. I'll start a go fund me.
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Praying for peace across the land.***
Apr 20, 2021, 3:41 PM
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Guessing 3rd degree.***
Apr 20, 2021, 3:44 PM
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Seem to be a rather quick deliberation...
Apr 20, 2021, 3:44 PM
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That makes me think guilty.
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Really?***
Apr 20, 2021, 3:50 PM
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That would favor guilty in this case, to me.***
Apr 20, 2021, 4:18 PM
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I think the OJ thing was an outlier
Apr 20, 2021, 4:22 PM
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Just saying it’s possible
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Can't predict the jury. But when looking at what the
Apr 20, 2021, 3:51 PM
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prosecution had to demonstrate, it seems to me to be an acquittal or a much lesser charge.
We all know that a criminal trial is not a debate about what we think happened. It's about 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. It seemed to me that the state had to show (1) the knee was on the back of the neck, (2) that that action caused death and (3) it was an unreasonable action in that time and place. To me, they maybe showed #3, maybe not. But #'s 1 and 2 were way too iffy to reach "beyond a reasonable doubt". A civll case might go against him, but I don't think a criminal case was made. We'll see.
Certainly there were no solitary holdouts on the acquittal side, no arguments about that.. It was all in, all 12, either way, which in this case sounds like guilty. And the judge has basically said Waters gave the defense grounds for appeal. This could be interesting.
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Guilty, but he'll appeal it. Meanwhile, he'll be in prison.
Apr 20, 2021, 3:56 PM
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Considering the video, no way he's acquitted... Not a frickin' chance.
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If by 'video' you mean the looks of the most famous one
Apr 20, 2021, 4:03 PM
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you are probably right. Taking all the videos, the defense convinced me that the knee was certainly on his back for much of the time, maybe all the time. The prosecution had docs who said that if the knee was on the neck he could be choked, but the coroner, the official doc, said probably not. If you ask me to convict a guy for murder with that much pro/con on the evidence - given the deceased health and fentanyl - I couldn't do it. But you might be right that the violent look of the famous video is enough, given the surrounding emotions of this case.
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There was something said yesterday by the defense
Apr 20, 2021, 4:18 PM
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That planted a seed of doubt in my mind
I can’t remember now what it was, but as I talked to a friend right after we agreed it would be impossible to tune out what you already knew
Waters didn’t help anything with that comment
Agree it could be very interesting from here
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Right. What I thought I knew going into the trial was
Apr 20, 2021, 4:22 PM
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the video we had all seen, and all the conclusions drawn by so many. Then the defense began to question each of the assumptions proposed by the video, and danged if they weren't, to me, right. But yes, it was at first hard to think the defense wasn't just spitballing, because I thought I knew what I already knew. But I think they're right. And by 'right' I don't mean innocent - he may or may not be - but not guilty.
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And I do want to let the record show
Apr 20, 2021, 4:38 PM
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That my emotional responses are not equal to my curiosity of the legal intricacies
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Correct, but what some of us think is that if there was that
Apr 20, 2021, 4:24 PM
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one person they would still be in there deliberating. They all agreed quickly.
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I agree
Apr 20, 2021, 4:40 PM
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The only outside chance is one just saying, “I have a doubt and you can’t convince me otherwise. We can drag this out or you can know now you won’t change my mind”
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Not guilty.
Apr 20, 2021, 5:06 PM
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I haven't paid any attention, but my law partner says not guilty and he's pretty sharp.
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So much for that.***
Apr 20, 2021, 5:11 PM
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Re: So much for that.***
Apr 20, 2021, 5:12 PM
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Re: So much for that.***
Apr 20, 2021, 5:15 PM
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Defense should shoot for a mistrial based on public statements of politicians swaying the jury (who were told not to watch the news, but still...).
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