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YOUR BALANCE
UNC continues to bring nothing but shame to our ACC
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UNC continues to bring nothing but shame to our ACC


Dec 20, 2013, 11:45 PM

the beloved conference we hold so dear.

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Like many Clemson fans my age and older,


Dec 21, 2013, 12:34 AM

any reverence or loyalty I held for the ACC took the first train out of town after their announcement in 1982/1983 of penalties in addition to and harsher than those levied by the NCAA. Eff those rat bastiges who voted for that piece of conference legislation particularly in light of the recent scandals coming out of chapelhole.

I suppose we should expect no different given that the sunavabish who spearheaded the vote for the extra year of probation for Clemson is now the commissioner of the conference. But I am extremely disappointed in the ACC sports media who continue practically to ignore the ugly cheating unearthed at unc (and the length of time it had been going on) and their lack of commentary about the total silence emanating from Greensboro.

It can no longer be considered whining by unc rivals and opponents within the ACC. The entire self-promoted image that unc ran a model athletic department--since they were hammered in late 50's/early 60's by the NCAA after revelations during several point-shaving scandals that struck college basketball--has proven a huge lie and its now public knowledge that unc had a gigantic advantage over the rest of the league insofar as a complete absence of eligibility standards.

And, of course, the worst was unc's turned up nose while they rested on reputation of strong ethics and academics. It was all a huge lie. ####, all it took was a stroll through the closest parking lot near the gym during basketball practice. Unbiased people in the know had been pointing their finger at unc for decades, but now the truth is there for the public to view. Six people are going to wind up with criminal records most likely. An entire department at unc has been investigated, strongly criticized by outside academics and humiliated to the point that accreditation may well be affected.

And unc continues on its merry way confident the lack of exposure outside the Triangle (yo!, ESPN, there's a story down here!!) without the least bit of alteration to their modus operandi. Hairston and McDonald are just two more examples of the "renegade" athletic department. And yet, provided with moving evidence that unc hedged and misled the NCAA investigation and outright lied about some things has apparently not stirred the NCAA or the investigative sports media to get off their respective duffs. Its more than obvious the ACC has no intention of reigning in the alma mater of the commissioner.

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Re: Like many Clemson fans my age and older,


Dec 21, 2013, 3:11 AM

Forgive me for not being in the loop, but may I ask just what exactly is going on?

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My thoughts exactly tigrjim76!! Talk about hypocrisy! We


Dec 21, 2013, 4:29 AM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

Should be outraged over this! Again I wish we would leave this conference and we should've done it back then!

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Can we move to the Big 12 now?


Dec 21, 2013, 5:09 AM

signed
CT88
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Re: Like many Clemson fans my age and older,


Dec 21, 2013, 7:01 AM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

I have to agree with the original writer...UNC and UNC alone orchestrated the extra year of probation and I think (I may be wrong) that when the vote was taken it was something like 5-2---we only had 2 friends in the room...I think WF and Md, which Dean Smith had tried to get Leftie and also Tacy run out for years...after we beat UNC who was pounded the week before by USuC (the ONLY time in my life I pulled for the cluckers) the consummate good sportsman #### Crum announced to his team we "bought" the national championship. It was obvious who was behind it, I think the UNC is the SMU of collegiate basketball and the NCAA should throw the book at them, but they wont...Swofford is a worm as well as a hypocrite; he did not defend Miami at all, but is constantly taking bullets for the cheaters of the decade. If you take away from this post I hate and resent them, you are right, I do. Smith was a criminal and a cheater and Crum and the gang try to hold us back as he know with a national championship in our portfolio, he could not compete with us...I am not defending what we did to get into the problem, I am attacking the hypocrisy and the crusade Smith and Crum led against us and they were not lily white in recruiting shenanigans..

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got any facts to go along with


Dec 21, 2013, 8:07 AM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

all that B.S.?

or are you just another hater that doesn't let facts get in the way of your opinion?

even Tigernet knows that the Swofford "legend is just that, a legend"

http://www.tigernet.com/story/football/What-happened-Swofford-extra-year-10615&nextbox=1

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Re: got any facts to go along with


Dec 21, 2013, 8:24 AM

It is known that Swoffie was not in attendance or take part in the vote for the extra year of probation... however... that single misstep by the second poster in no way diminishes the severity of baby (crybaby) blue UNC's current transgrassions. Nor does it lessen the chicken crap NCAA's/ACC's do nothing response.

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Re: got any facts to go along with


Dec 21, 2013, 10:56 AM

The NCAA has zero interest in doling out penalties for basketball schools. The entire NCAA budget is driven by revenue from the basketball tournament. They will bend over and kiss the behind of the basketball schools and coaches to ensure that the cash cow continues unabated.

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Re: got any facts to go along with


Dec 22, 2013, 1:15 AM

U Conn says hello.

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I hate UNC. I would hate them a lot less if we would beat


Dec 21, 2013, 8:45 AM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

them in chapel hill in basketball at least once in my lifetime.

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Maybe if the field was LEVEL then we might have won a game


Dec 22, 2013, 2:07 PM

or two in our lifetime. That is all.

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Re: Like many Clemson fans my age and older,


Dec 21, 2013, 10:40 AM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

> any reverence or loyalty I held for the ACC took the
> first train out of town after their announcement in
> 1982/1983 of penalties in addition to and harsher
> than those levied by the NCAA. Eff those rat bastiges
> who voted for that piece of conference legislation
> particularly in light of the recent scandals coming
> out of chapelhole.
>
> I suppose we should expect no different given that
> the sunavabish who spearheaded the vote for the
> extra year of probation for Clemson is now the
> commissioner of the conference. But I am extremely
> disappointed in the ACC sports media who continue
> practically to ignore the ugly cheating unearthed at
> unc (and the length of time it had been going on) and
> their lack of commentary about the total silence
> emanating from Greensboro.
>
> It can no longer be considered whining by unc rivals
> and opponents within the ACC. The entire
> self-promoted image that unc ran a model athletic
> department--since they were hammered in late
> 50's/early 60's by the NCAA after revelations during
> several point-shaving scandals that struck college
> basketball--has proven a huge lie and its now public
> knowledge that unc had a gigantic advantage over the
> rest of the league insofar as a complete absence of
> eligibility standards.
>
> And, of course, the worst was unc's turned up nose
> while they rested on reputation of strong ethics and
> academics. It was all a huge lie. ####, all it took
> was a stroll through the closest parking lot near the
> gym during basketball practice. Unbiased people in
> the know had been pointing their finger at unc for
> decades, but now the truth is there for the public to
> view. Six people are going to wind up with criminal
> records most likely. An entire department at unc has
> been investigated, strongly criticized by outside
> academics and humiliated to the point that
> accreditation may well be affected.
>
> And unc continues on its merry way confident the lack
> of exposure outside the Triangle (yo!, ESPN, there's
> a story down here!!) without the least bit of
> alteration to their modus operandi. Hairston and
> McDonald are just two more examples of the "renegade"
> athletic department. And yet, provided with moving
> evidence that unc hedged and misled the NCAA
> investigation and outright lied about some things has
> apparently not stirred the NCAA or the investigative
> sports media to get off their respective duffs. Its
> more than obvious the ACC has no intention of
> reigning in the alma mater of the commissioner.

'My eyes have seen the glory!' Finally, a Tiger who admits openly that the ACC, and their anointed prince, UNcarolina, have screwed over non-'Big 4' members of the conference . . for YEARS. I always thought you guys considered that matter to be a figment of the Coots' wild imaginations. Gee, wonders never cease in this world!

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Where have you been? And, what are you doing "thinking"?***


Dec 21, 2013, 11:32 AM



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Re: Like many Clemson fans my age and older,


Dec 22, 2013, 2:24 PM [ in reply to Re: Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

You just might be the dumbest coot on here. The vast majority of Tnet hates everything Tobacco Road, and always has.

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Your whole post goes up in flames because David Hood


Dec 22, 2013, 10:42 AM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

exposed the whole Swofford myth as just that, a myth.

Is UNC dirty? For sure but you lose your credibility by bringing back the Swofford myth once again.

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Agree with everything you wrote except UNC being


Dec 22, 2013, 2:04 PM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

humiliated. If they were humiliated the head of the university system in NC or head of UNC would do something about this ongoing problem. I have read a couple of newpapers in NC that have pushed the issue but none in SC, GA etc. Where is the outrage from the rest of the ACC schools?

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Compare what happened to Miami, GA Tech and UNC


Dec 22, 2013, 3:19 PM [ in reply to Like many Clemson fans my age and older, ]

or when Swoffie made an FSU women's coach write a letter of apology to every school for holding a player out. It is simply astonishing how the NCAA can justify any of this.

I'm old enough to remember how much Tobacco Road looked down their noses at all things in South Carolina. All these years later things haven't changed.

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Join the SEC!


Dec 21, 2013, 6:51 AM

Might as well go big!

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A scared, greedy USCjr will never allow it to happen.****


Dec 21, 2013, 7:47 AM



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Re: A scared, greedy USCjr will never allow it to happen.****


Dec 21, 2013, 8:26 AM

Obviously it is against our interest to let Clemson in the SEC - but we have only one vote out of 14, we can't block it if the rest of the schools want it.

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Re: A scared, greedy USCjr will never allow it to happen.****


Dec 21, 2013, 1:26 PM

> Obviously it is against our interest to let Clemson
> in the SEC - but we have only one vote out of 14, we
> can't block it if the rest of the schools want it.

Have you forgotten the ritual? The grip, password, and symbols? The oath our AD's took (SC,UGA, UF, and KY)swearing on a stack of stuffed little white envelopes to NEVER admit to our fraternity the '4 Unmentionable Lowlifes'?

May the OATH never be broken!

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Re: A scared, greedy USCjr will never allow it to happen.****


Dec 22, 2013, 3:12 PM

If they were serious about lowLifes,Usuc would have never had an envelope in the stack. Unless, it was we four lowlifes will fight to keep the top educational schools out of the SEC conference. And we already know that UF and KY wouldn't have been in that pack. With that said, one major lowlife was the leader of that Pat. Yes only one, with the only lowlife in that being U really suck FBdicks.

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Re: Join the SEC!


Dec 21, 2013, 8:25 AM [ in reply to Join the SEC! ]

only problem is the SEC doesn't want us..

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Re: UNC continues to bring nothing but shame to our ACC


Dec 21, 2013, 8:02 AM

Swofford's Alma Matre.
How gradifying!

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You left out Saint Dean Smith & his Bishop Mac Brown


Dec 21, 2013, 8:50 AM

The mongols of TV incessantly pontificated about these two holy men.

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Re:2nd Rate Also Ran Punk Conference


Dec 21, 2013, 8:53 AM

Thanks for confirming I am not alone... I have hated the ACC since that time as well.. Hard to pull for the ACC period.... Hate Duke/NC mostly.... Will pull for some of the more distant programs however, This punk conference is becoming irrelevant in BB... Sucks in FB, Can't even cheat and improve.

I don't want Clemson in the SEC because those backwoods ignorant ######## kill there own.

We have to succeed alone... Just as it has been for many years and our brand will rise above this 2nd rate also ran punk ### conference.

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Re: UNC continues to bring nothing but shame to our ACC


Dec 21, 2013, 9:53 AM

If anything close to that bad had gone on at Clemson you know the ACC would have added to the NCAA punishment and threatened to kick Clemson out of the conference.

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What have they done now? I don't see how it could get any


Dec 21, 2013, 10:51 AM

worse than fake classes, athletic department employees writing papers for the athletes, being paid by agents, and paying players, changing their uniforms every week with colors (black and a different blue) that don't even look like Carolina colors, and still losing in football (two years in a row to Duke?), in front of tens of thousands of empty seats.

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you forgot providing


Dec 21, 2013, 10:58 AM

cars to athletes, getting athletes out of traffic fines and paying parking and speeding fines when they couldn't get the tickets dropped. (and these are just the things that are PROVEN!)

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Jerry Stackhouse, openly "shopped" at Julians.


Dec 21, 2013, 11:38 AM

Deep pockets.

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Only a decade?


Dec 21, 2013, 11:44 AM

Been going on for almost 3 that I know of...... And in all likely hood it's been going since the inception of their athletic department.

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We do Chicken right...it's not just for frying anymore!


And that's not just a he said bla bla


Dec 21, 2013, 11:46 AM

My sister and many people I grew up with went to unc..... My son does now..... Interesting what they have to say ...... And with the exception of my son.... They all think it's normal

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You expect swoffie to tell the truth?


Dec 21, 2013, 11:48 AM

Are did I miss your sarcasm?

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I think Chapel Hill doesn't give a ratsass what we think


Dec 21, 2013, 7:48 PM

UNC is doing just fine.

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Re: I think Chapel Hill doesn't give a ratsass what we think


Dec 22, 2013, 1:27 PM

Swofford pushed his agenda through other people. He was not directly involved except behind the scenes. The UNC BOT(or BOG) called AD's seeking support for punishing Clemson beyond ncaa penalties.

And yes, not only does unc not care what we think, they don't really care what others think. There was a time when everyone knew about extra benefits for unc players but unc crossed the line with over 500 fake classes to keep players eligible and then boasting about APR.

They sacrificed academics for ceiling laundry in the Dean Dome and Butch Davis was on his way with the football program.

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what a shame


Dec 22, 2013, 1:57 PM

48 Rhodes Scholars

Top-5 public university for years....

40 NCAA Division I team national championships in seven sports

51 individual national championships

so much to be ashamed of, i guess

has UNC had some F-ups? sure, but your claim of 'nothing but shame' is total B.S.

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Cheats and proud of it.***


Dec 22, 2013, 2:13 PM



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Re: what a shame


Dec 22, 2013, 2:28 PM [ in reply to what a shame ]

Take your condescending bullsh!t to Inside Carolina. And don't ever call yourself a Clemson fan again.

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the truth hurts?***


Dec 22, 2013, 5:36 PM



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Re: the truth hurts?***


Jan 25, 2014, 11:48 AM

tarheeledtiger, I am sure you are a fine fellow. You should, however, return to unc and tell the PR firm that Clemson fans are not buying what you are selling. Fertilizer is cheap down here.

Your post about all the awards UNC has accumulated tells all about your puffed up school supporters. When a school sacrifices it's academic honor to protect athletics, I have to assume the academic honor sacrificed was never really worth that much anyway.

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Re: what a shame


Jan 25, 2014, 1:18 PM [ in reply to what a shame ]

No such thing as a tarheeled tiger. I agree,take your ### back to chapel hole where you belong.

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Re: UNC continues to bring nothing but shame to our ACC


Jan 25, 2014, 1:21 PM

AS a relatively new fan of the ACC, can someone please explain to me why UNC has not been severely punished for all their illegal actions that clearly go against NCAA rules.

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