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Beating a dead horse thoughts on Trump


Apr 27, 2021, 9:58 PM
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Some of you know that I absolutely hate Trump’s personality. I hate nothing worse than a narcissistic liar. I think we can all agree Trump is that. Trump is incapable of admitting losing anything, and that’s why I thought his whole game of saying the election was rigged had no credibility. It’s possible he has a point, but since he has no credibility he doesn’t deserve to be heard. He’s like the little boy who cried Wolf.

But to be honest another side of me appreciated his ideas, and if I had more respect for him as a person wish that he could’ve been reelected. I’m not happy about some of the possible changes that seem to be coming with the Democrats in control.

So I guess I’m just conflicted. It would’ve been nice if Trump was not so divisive and could’ve had the political skills to attract some people that aren’t from his base. This would’ve meant that Trump would’ve had to of been perceived as a honorable person. I get that he never would’ve been elected without his rebel style, but it’s just frustrating that he was not more of a unifying presence. Say what you want about Biden, but he was a much tougher candidate than Hillary. To beat Biden he had to do things differently than he did against Hillary. Maybe that would’ve been phony for him to project himself as more inclusive of those who didn’t agree with him, but let’s face it that’s how politics works.

Anyway, I know I’m being repetitive because I have posted similar posts before. But I am so perplexed by the entire Trump political story. It’s amazing that he was elected as president, and I will not take that away from him. But it’s also very frustrating that he could not behave in a way that would’ve allowed him to be reelected.

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Apr 27, 2021, 10:11 PM
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He had an R next to his name and Fox News was fellating him 24/7. What else is needed here?

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Apr 27, 2021, 10:58 PM
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Apr 28, 2021, 2:22 PM
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that one way to get a point out of Obed®

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Apr 28, 2021, 6:17 PM
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no worries, i was feeling kinda lazy.

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Apr 27, 2021, 10:35 PM
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Wow. Every sentence you wrote, is wrong. That’s an amazing feat.

First of all, “we” will never agree on anything Trump related. And the little boy that cried wolf was attacked 24/7 with millions of lies led by the Russian collusion b.s. from the left, and their bedfellows the MSM. CNN literally had 47k “bombshells” about Trump that were untrue.

Next, you act like the only people that voted for trump were neckbearded fellows that are doomsday preppers. You do realize that his “base” tallied the most votes EVER for a Republican, right?

Trump could never unify or rally because the Dems will never allow it. You guys like to view Romney as some great Republican, but remember what the Dems did to him a few years ago? Completely destroyed the man. Because they are ruthless, disgusting, terrible people. Trump just refused to back down like the Romney’s of the world, and that caused the Dems to get more outrageous than ever. Take Biden’s own words over his career about blacks and then pretend that trump said those things. He would be burned alive. Because Dems are the definition of hypocrisy.

Now the facts. Trump cut taxes, solidified the border, dumped the WHO and Iranian deal, forced NATO partners to pony up, led the country to the lowest employment ever. Basically he believes that people that work hard and follow the law, should reap the rewards that they seek.

Dems are the complete opposite. Open borders, giving money away to other countries that hate us, rewarding people that make bad decisions by taking from those that make good ones. For instance, I worked and saved my whole life, now Biden wants to take away my social security because I have a 401k, and give my SS to someone that doesn’t work, lives in section 8 and had 4 kids. ###!!!!!! And YOU voted for that. Not saying that people don’t hit hard times but we have a culture that relishes in the welfare circuit. If I lived in section 8 and didn’t have a job, I would find a job and the last thing I would do is have more children. That’s a terrible decision, and liberals reward it, over and over. You voted for a VP that literally bailed out rioters. ###!!! Again. So, some dudes burn down your business and your VP bails them out. Rewarding terrible behavior, all for a vote. You realize the ZERO Dems live among those that they are “helping”. Why is that?

And you worried about Trump’s mean tweets? Give me a a fkn break.

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Apr 28, 2021, 8:37 AM
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Care to comment on how "the business man" managed to explode our deficit (even before COVID) and made Obama look like some financial wizard, and about the jobs, take a peak at the trend line from the Obama years through the Trump presidency.

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Apr 28, 2021, 8:47 AM
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Apr 28, 2021, 9:15 AM
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Get outta here with that weak crap. The deficit was half a trillion when Obama left office, which was much better than when he took office. Trump tripled that even before COVID hit. Why was "the business man" so bad with our nation's finances. Why do the "fiscal conservatives" either pretend this didn't happen or make weak excuses?

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Apr 28, 2021, 11:34 AM
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Obama cut the deficit his last few years by cutting military spending. That resulted in us salvaging parts for aircraft and ships that weren’t seaworthy. SS/Medicare and defense are #1 and #2 in federal spending.

So yes, you take rebuilding the military plus the demographics of SS/Medicare, and the deficit briefly went up. Federal tax revenues also increased at an increasing rate compared to Obama’s final years. So it would have been interesting to see how that would have played out had the economy been allowed to continue to boom. It’s doubtful military spending would have been required to stay that high as Trump was withdrawing forces around the world.

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Apr 28, 2021, 12:25 PM
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We spent 100B more on the military in 2019 than we did in 2016. That only accounts for 10% of the increased deficit if you are willing to admit that Trump DID NOT increase revenue vs Obama. You have a long way to go to try and prove Trump was at least equal to Obama when it came to handling the nation's finances. Let's see what else you got.

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Apr 28, 2021, 12:34 PM
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You completely ignored #1 which Trump had no control over. I was for privatization of social security when W was President. Now we are paying the price...and Dems want to lower the age for Medicare...

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Apr 28, 2021, 12:54 PM
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SS spending in 2019 was 1 Trillion, and was .9 trillion in 2016. Medicare spending was slightly higher in 2016 than it was in 2019 at .6T. The business man is still 800 billion in hole when compared to Obama. What else you got? LOL.

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Apr 28, 2021, 1:20 PM
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I'm not sure what you're LOL'ing about. Maybe you're just a bigger moron than I thought. I've given you reasons for the increase. Here are some more...healthcare and income security spending plus interest on the debt.

All of the reasons I've stated so far except for military and interest on the debt are because of Dem programs. Increased interest on the debt was due to the economy improving and the Fed raising interest rates. Obama had nearly 8 years of zero interest rates.

https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/spending/trends/


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Apr 28, 2021, 1:48 PM
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You act like Obama didn't have to deal with rising costs in welfare programs. And besides all that, the reasons you have given don't come close to adding up to explain why "The Business Man" got his rear end kicked by Obama when it came to handling the nations finances. Now I'm all ears if you can make the numbers work. Well?

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Apr 28, 2021, 2:00 PM
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Read the chart. The items I mentioned all went up....SS, healthcare and interest went up significantly.

Again, Obama had interest rates held artificially low for him near zero until the very end of his Presidency. Trump had rates significantly increased by the Fed almost immediately after the economy showed signs of improving.

What about now? Dems are continuing to spend like drunken sailors even though the economy has significantly reopened.

You asked for answers. I can’t make it any easier than give you a chart. You can either accept it or not.

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Apr 28, 2021, 2:17 PM
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LOL at your charts which include 2020. I was comparing apples to apples, so I left 2020 out because of how COVID skewed the numbers. We had 3 years of Trump prior to 2020 to see how poorly he did. You still can't account for why Trump exploded the deficit compared to Obama. Obama also had to deal with rising welfare costs. The increased defense spending doesn't come close to make up for the increased deficit. Trump was terrible at the nation's finances, at that's embarrassing for you because "The Business Man" was suppose to fix it, not make it worse. Whoops.

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Apr 28, 2021, 2:23 PM
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That’s stuff was increasing before 2020. Again you can’t read a chart.

Anyway you’re just a troll so I’m done.

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Apr 28, 2021, 2:31 PM
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It was also increasing while Obama was in office. Yet he he somehow managed to LOWER the deficit while he was in office. Trump exploded the deficit. Again, I'd be embarrassed at how Obama whooped Trump when it came to handling the nation's finances.

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Apr 28, 2021, 3:22 PM
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Since you won’t agree with obvious facts presented in an easy to read graph, how about some current hard numbers?

6.3T proposed spending by Biden in first 100 days

That added to regular spending is over $10T.

Now THAT is exploding the deficit and debt.

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Apr 28, 2021, 10:50 PM
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Here ya go Brah. Again, why did the "Business Man" do such an awful job with our nations finances? Is it cause he's just a fraud? LOL

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/?sh=56468b7c4819

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Apr 28, 2021, 10:53 PM
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I’ve already explained Brah.

I’m waiting for you to answer about the $10T now. Trump is gone.

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Apr 29, 2021, 7:54 AM
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Since you can't defend the failures of "the business man" you're now deflecting, correct. Democrats have always been known for spending money. It's what you've been claiming your whole life. But it's amazing how quiet you got on deficits and spending for 4 years. So why were you so quiet about deficits and spending when Trump was in office, but get really vocal and concerned when a Democrat is in office? Why do you cherry pick when you are "concerned" about the debt? Dis gonna be gud.

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Apr 29, 2021, 10:14 PM
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Obama averaged a deficit of $910B, a debt increase of $1.194T and a deficit increase of GDP of 5.73% over his 8 years.

Trump was $878B, $1.082T and 4.15%.

Obama also had a Republican House and Tea Party keeping him under control from 2010 on. They got the Senate later.

Trump had to deal with a Democrat House after 2018 and the majority he had in the Senate before that was small. McCain voted down axing Obamacare. We also had Collins and Murkowski.

So I’m not sure why you think Trump’s business ability would be able to miraculously overcome the factors I already explained which were out of his control plus this.

Biden is in a league of his own now with spending.

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Apr 30, 2021, 10:34 AM
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This is beyond pathetic and laughable. Trump was POTUS for 4 years, but I'm doing you a solid by throwing out year #4 because of COVID. But here you are trying to hold Obama accountable for his first few years when he inherited a world recession. Trump inherited an economy that was already humming along. And Trump had both the house and the Senate for 2 if the 3 years we are counting. He signed his first 2 Omnibus bills during that time. Things got better the longer Obama was in office. Things got worse the longer Trump was in office. Embarrassing truths for Trumpkins and their narratives. #InconvenientFacts

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Apr 30, 2021, 10:45 AM
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I’m glad you keep giving me more posts to TD.

You just argued against yourself. Obama didn’t have nearly as much spent for 2008 and his recovery and deficits took YEARS. BTW one of the biggest contributors in 2010 was ACA.

The FACT is Congress controls the purse strings, not the President. Obama had six years of Republicans reining him in...just like Clinton had with Newt Gingrich.

So...

Now that I’ve destroyed your argument with

1) an easy to read and irrefutable graph

2) actual numbers and percentages

3) facts on who actually does the budget, the composition of Congress and the events that were involved

What else you got? This is hilarious.



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Apr 30, 2021, 3:28 PM
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Destroyed my argument? LOL. How is that when the FACTS are that Trump inherited a good economy with control over BOTH houses, yet somehow managed to TRIPLE the deficit while bragging we had the greatest economy EVER. Let's recall that "the business man", with control of both houses of congress,, signed 2 omnibus bills while at the same time cutting taxes. If you are even somewhat decent at math, you should be able to easily figure out why out debt went through the roof under Trump. Why would a skilled "business man" cut income and increase spending at the same time? Has it even crossed your mind that Trump is a fraud when it comes to running a legitimate business? Checkmate Dude.

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Apr 30, 2021, 3:38 PM
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You’re the only guy that can completely ignore facts presented, make up your own narrative (with no facts) and declare checkmate.

So far you haven’t debated or countered one point made. You just move on to something else and then say you’re victorious lol.

You just completely disregarded the entire argument that Congress actually deals with the budget and was never really under his control. It definitely wasn’t after the midterms.

Thanks for giving me another bad argument to destroy too. You mentioned the cutting taxes...take a look at what happened after the tax cuts.

I hope you don’t actually play chess.

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

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Apr 30, 2021, 7:34 PM
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You're doing it again. You said earlier in the post "Obama cut the deficit his last few years by cutting military spending." Now you're saying it's congress, not the POTUS, who controls spending. Can you make up your mind which side of your mouth I'm suppose to listen to?



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Apr 30, 2021, 7:49 PM
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What? Did you get mad I didn’t reply to your other post so now you’re replying to old posts?

You’re nothing but a troll. I’m done wasting time with you.

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Apr 30, 2021, 8:36 PM
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I asked a legitimate question and now you want to tap out. Is Obama responsible for cutting military spending, or does congress control spending? I'll wait.

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Apr 30, 2021, 3:43 PM
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And LOL at how you're contradicting yourself. First, you said Trump had to increase spending because of Pelosi and democrats. Now you're saying Republicans had Obama "reigned" in. I'm going to go stand over here while you decide which way you want the narrative to be.

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Apr 30, 2021, 3:59 PM
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Man it’s hard to take you seriously when you sound like a millenial brat with your “brah”, “disgonebegood,” and now “doing me a solid.”

What I said can’t be any clearer. The Republican House led by the Freedom Caucus kept Obama under control...just as Gingrich did back in the Clinton years. Look what his deficit was prior to them taking the majority in the 2010 midterms. He also mostly chose to ignore what ISIS was doing in Iraq up until the very end of his Presidency. So that was less spending too.

Now for the second part. See if you can follow. Trump had a slim majority in the Senate his first two years. He tried to kill ACA but McCain shot it down. Republicans don’t always vote in lockstep like Dems do. He lost the House in the midterms. You know...the House...who actually comes up with the budget along with the Senate through subcommittees. The President signs off or they can go into a shutdown, which he did.

Between withdrawing troops, trying to repeal ACA, and paring down some of the government agencies, Trump tried to do his part. That’s not even mentioning the increased funding he got from other countries for the UN and NATO so we weren’t carrying the entire burden.

Keep looking for reasons though. It’s funny how you hijacked OP’s legit thread...and failed.

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Apr 30, 2021, 4:53 PM
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So what you're saying is that the Republican led house and senate was able to keep Obama "reigned" in, which is why he did so well the deficit. But that same Republican led House and Senate caused Trump to have to drastically increase spending while cutting revenue (taxes) at the same time, and this was all the democrats fault even though they were the minority in both houses?



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Apr 29, 2021, 8:08 PM
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So Keowee you don’t agree that Trump is narcissistic and also a liar? And changing the subject with a whataboutism of someone else who lies or is narcissistic is not answering my question. Can’t wait to hear your response.

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Apr 29, 2021, 8:16 PM
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Narcissistic liar? Keowee I want to hear why he’s not that from you. And a whataboutism response that someone else that’s in politics is also narcissistic and a liar is not answering my question. Can’t wait to hear your response.

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So Trump is not a narcissistic liar?


May 2, 2021, 8:35 PM
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I really am curious to find out why you think he is not that? And a whataboutism response doesn’t prove he is not a narcissistic liar.

Those of you who are incapable of criticizing your dear leader are going to doom the republican party. To suggest that Trump did not have serious issues means you have your head in the sand. As I said in my original post there are things about him that were good. But to be so biased that you can’t step outside of your Republican bias to fairly evaluate Trump is the reason our country is in trouble at the moment.

I can promise you that as a guy in the middle if Biden screws up it will not pain me in anyway to admit that and criticize him. I’m not happy about some of the things he’s floating now as it will impact me in a very negative way.

But at the end of the day I was just not comfortable having a US president who in my opinion has a serious narcissistic personality disorder as leader of our country. I will concede that he made some good contributions and he did wake up America to some issues we need to deal with. But the guy is just nuts and totally not trustworthy. That’s just my opinion.

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May 2, 2021, 8:42 PM
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LOL Trump isn’t even CLOSE to the reason our country is in trouble. The country was already in trouble and Trump was the response. I’ve already criticized some of his methods plenty. You really are beating this dead horse.

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May 3, 2021, 11:25 AM
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It was a pretty ###### response that only made the situation worse.

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I want to know why Trump isn't in jail yet.


Apr 28, 2021, 11:58 AM
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Or Jared. Or Ivanka. Or Don, Jr. We had several here (they know who they are) claiming they'd all be shackeled and locked away by now. What the deuce happened? Where is that big bad New York Attorney General who was going to bring the lawhammer down? Did Sniffy Joe give them all a pardon or something?

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Apr 28, 2021, 12:47 PM
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Can we stop pretending that he had any redeeming qualities. Tax cut, Killing Baghdadi, and getting some Supreme Court justices. Two of those three I hardly give Trump credit for long-standing Republican legislative goals. That’s it. That’s the list of really impressive things that happened in his four years. It pales next to the list of abject failures, chief among them their lack of any coordinated effort to address COVID.

The man is a blabbering idiot, and that’s all there is to it. Listening to him speak for more than 15 seconds, the blatant stupidity is mind-numbing. Do yourself a solid and listen to the injecting UV light press conference again. I mean what in the actual flying #### was that. Every single time this man opened his mouth, it just left you slack-jawed wondering how someone so colossally retarded could be the POTUS.(1) Yet this was a weekly, nay, almost daily occurrence. You can be an idiot or be a psychopath, but the combination of the two was downright unpleasant.



**(1)** this is in no way a comparison to or endorsement of Joe Biden or any other politician

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Apr 28, 2021, 1:05 PM
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Trump was probably in a very, very prime position to revolutionize the presidency and make some great changes that went against the two-party norms. Sadly, the divisive rhetoric you mentioned, the embracement of fascist ideology, and the spiteful tactics--which, I dunno, those all helped him get elected--overshadowed any good he accomplished. He could have worked with the media better to help push positive agendas and policies to push back against the two-party mess we have.

So, it was a very wasted opportunity. But a narcissist will never realize that.

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Say what you want about Biden, but he was a much tougher candidate than Hillary. r



And this is why Trump held back the Ukraine funding. Trump was scared of sleepy Joe.

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Apr 28, 2021, 5:41 PM
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Best
President
Ever

sorry Ronnie

may have to go all the way back to Washington to find a man who sacrificed so much

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Apr 28, 2021, 8:34 PM
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Highest percentage ever of derelicts and uninformed people in the country and just people with their hand out. Tough to overcome that. Lowest common denominator is winning and will successfully drag us down to their level eventually.

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Apr 28, 2021, 8:41 PM
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and you know who has their hands out the furthest and the most often T3, to the tune of 100's of billions every year in uncollected revenue, it ain't poor folk.

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Apr 28, 2021, 8:42 PM
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Look up who pays 80% of federal taxes. Thanks.

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Apr 28, 2021, 9:18 PM
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The top ten% have 70% of the money and pay 70% of the revenue, explain how that is unfair?

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Apr 28, 2021, 9:40 PM
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Do they use 70% of the services? I’m guessing they use very little of government services actually. OTOH you have 47% of the country paying nothing in federal income tax but using most of the services. It’s redistribution of wealth pure and simple.

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May 3, 2021, 11:59 AM
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It's the fault of 81 million people, not the fact that Trump was a #### president.

T3: "Trump lost because 81 million people were stupid and uninformed!"

Also T3: "You can't ignore the voices of the 75 million who voted for Trump!"

Trump lost because he was a garbage president. Period.

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