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YOUR BALANCE
My take on basketball for both men/women
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My take on basketball for both men/women


Jan 13, 2022, 1:24 PM

Give Amanda Butler 1 more season to show a big improvement. She has not been here long. If Brad does not get Clemson in the NCAA tournament with a weak ACC then let him go. If he does not generate some excitement in the fan base sometimes you just have to make a change. It is not that anyone dislikes personally either, it is that we love Clemson more. Judge gives us your take.

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Agreed on both counts.


Jan 13, 2022, 1:42 PM

The administration needs to commit to being on the upper half of competitive with basketball, at the least, but they really should commit to playing for championships in both men's & women's basketball. Why not?? Just because we haven't been? Get some fired up coaches who are committed to championships in basketball, and have a plan, like CDS did with football, and I think recruits would love to be in on that. Who wants to be in on being "good" when you could strive for "great"? I feel like our basketball teams have the mentality of NCSU or UVA in football - 10 wins and it's a great year. Over .500 and it's a great year. NO! Contending for championships - that's a great year! There's no reason we shouldn't set our standards that high!

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I think we all want to be better at basketball.


Jan 13, 2022, 1:43 PM

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

If someone truly believes that Clemson is giving Brownell everything he wants and needs in order to have the level of success we expect, then I understand wanting Brownell fired.

I simply don't think we support basketball well enough or consistently enough at Clemson to blame him. As I've stated many times, Brownell overachieves here using multiple metrics. Whether we are looking at Clemson's ACC rank when it comes to basketball expenditures, basketball history, or fan attendance, we finish well above what would be expected based on those things.

Despite the significant challenges and hindrances, I believe things are trending in a positive direction for our program. If people can't see that our performance on the court and in recruiting over the past 4-5 years has been better, then they haven't been paying attention or just don't want to see it.

It would be one thing if our team didn't play hard, or have success, or represent the school well, but they do. They had a great year last year, including a program record for most victories in a season over NCAA Tournament teams, and most fans weren't even excited about it. That's not a Brownell problem, and trying to blame him for being "boring" or not generating excitement is a lame excuse. Either our fans want to support a successful program and see it reach greater heights, or they don't.

My concern is that there are just too many distractions and entertainment options today. Students camping out for basketball tickets when we played Duke in 1996 makes for a great anecdote, but there weren't nearly as many entertainment options then. I'd love to see our students camping out for basketball games, but there are plenty of distractions including tough classes to study for, social media to waste time on, etc.

I want us to excel at basketball. I believe we can, and I believe Brownell can do it. I realize I'm in the minority here on that.

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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


You nailed the problem


Jan 13, 2022, 1:47 PM

"I simply don't think we support basketball well enough or consistently enough at Clemson to blame him. As I've stated many times, Brownell overachieves here using multiple metrics. Whether we are looking at Clemson's ACC rank when it comes to basketball expenditures, basketball history, or fan attendance, we finish well above what would be expected based on those things."

We need different metrics to measure against. We need to aim higher, expect better, and give the staff the resources to accomplish that. I've never said anything negative about Brownell other than that he's a good coach, not a great coach. He's the right guy if you're content with being middle of the pack. He's not the guy if you want to contend for championships. I think that's indisputable.

We aim for championships in every other sport, and we fund them accordingly. I don't know why we settle for settling in basketball.

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bulll . Clemson has spent millions on bskball..


Jan 13, 2022, 2:12 PM

Barnes and Parnell got kids in the seats with less support.....and it had nothing to do with the Instagram, facebook, or the ACC. I was in school for Barnes and his slab 5. i promise i had plenty of things i could do back then instead of going to bskball games.

It can be done.


disclaimer:
I take the same approach to Brad coaches as any other coach .. that is the AD's job.. not mine. They answer to the AD, not me. if i was truly unhappy with a coach i would fax the AD or IPTAY.

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Geville Tiger on Clemson football , "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Purnell had a style & identity that helped.......


Jan 13, 2022, 2:21 PM

Clemson have an equalizer to it's more talented opponents. He took "average bball players" but extremely good athletes......threw in a shooter or two and had an up-tempo fast paced, full court press style of bball that was fun to watch..........sometimes it played to our favor and other times it didn't, but it got the fans excited and in the stands.

I would compare it to the early Paul Johnson Georgia Tech triple option offenses........less talented teams w/ better than average results due to a style that somewhat leveled the playing field.

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That's it!!!! We should chop block in the paint!***


Jan 13, 2022, 2:34 PM



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worked for the Pistons.. and it was awesome!***


Jan 13, 2022, 5:06 PM



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Geville Tiger on Clemson football , "Dabo's only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


I never was as excited about Purnell's teams as some, because...


Jan 14, 2022, 3:50 AM [ in reply to Purnell had a style & identity that helped....... ]

Yes...that helter skelter pressing D was fun to watch, and it worked well against mediocre teams that couldn't handle a press. Against the better teams that could handle a press...not so much. Evidence, Purnell never winning an NCAA tourney game.

I remember seeing a stat once...40% of the time that the opposing team broke the press, they finished with a dunk or layup. To me, that isn't exciting!

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Re: You nailed the problem


Jan 13, 2022, 10:14 PM [ in reply to You nailed the problem ]

O2b, I have the answer! We need to find a coach that can overachieve a little better than Brownell overachieves!

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I don’t think you can say that he isn’t capable of contending for championships


Jan 13, 2022, 10:23 PM [ in reply to You nailed the problem ]

when he hasn’t been given what he needs to do that.

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Re: I don’t think you can say that he isn’t capable of contending for championships


Jan 14, 2022, 1:11 AM

Like actual recruiting ability or an offensive identity… same old excuses , there’s plenty at Clemson to win … and the thing is 98% of fans aren’t even expecting final four trips but there’s no reason after 12 years we shouldn’t be in the tourney most years and make a little run every 4 years to the sweet 16 or hell round of 32 I’d take … nobody is excepting our bb program to be duke , Kansas, etc but the acc is bad and we are still stuck where we were… if it were so bad he would leave but nobody wants the guy … we just continue to pay him … I’ll bet anything when he’s done milking Clemson for millions he ends up doing tv bc I don’t know any d1 programs tryin to knock the door down to steal him from us

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Re: I think we all want to be better at basketball.


Jan 13, 2022, 1:49 PM [ in reply to I think we all want to be better at basketball. ]

Judge, do you believe Brad should be let go if he does not make the NCCA tournament this year. Yes or No. Please leave off the other rationalizations about the progress.

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Clearly the whole "best is the standard" mantra...


Jan 13, 2022, 1:51 PM [ in reply to I think we all want to be better at basketball. ]

doesn't apply to men's or wimminz hoops.

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Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.


Re: I think we all want to be better at basketball.


Jan 13, 2022, 2:00 PM [ in reply to I think we all want to be better at basketball. ]

I sincerely believe ob nailed it with his first post. Let's discount fan support and previous history. Both of those can and should be overcome. Fan support was through the roof in the 70 and 80's. It didn't make us better or worse.

The thing is, we've always settled. As for giving Brad all he needs and wants as well as expenditures on coaches and assistants really doesn't hold water. Plenty of other programs do a lot more with less.

I said in other posts, all about the Jimmy and Joes. Yeah yeah, different landscape but that's ultimately on the coach to get kids here. You really tend to put all the onus on admin and fans and zero on Brad.

Ob spelled it out nicely. We're content on being an scar or UVA in football. Ob is spot on in that the goal is playing for championships.

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Re: I think we all want to be better at basketball.


Jan 13, 2022, 3:57 PM

I think you nailed it Clemsongal.

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Re: I think we all want to be better at basketball.


Jan 13, 2022, 2:44 PM [ in reply to I think we all want to be better at basketball. ]

What exactly is Brownell not getting that he needs?

He's being overpaid vs results.

We could get the same results with a coach making half as much.

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Re: I think we all want to be better at basketball.


Jan 14, 2022, 8:02 AM [ in reply to I think we all want to be better at basketball. ]

I understand you feel Brownell is a good coach. I don't share your opinion. The ACC is a shell of what it once was. If we cannot see advancement in these years then I feel a veteran coach like Brownell has failed. The biggest frustration is we are a bipolar, hot or cold team. We lose games we shouldn't way too often. It is embarrassing like our recent performance against ND. That makes us quick to want change when we are so lukewarm for so long. Have a good day Judge! Appreciate your love of basketball.

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Who put the "L" in BrowneLL


I don't understand why our women's team can't even be


Jan 13, 2022, 2:25 PM

remotely good. We were all hopeful with Butler's first season but that has turned out to be the only good year and the team has recently reverted back to the same old same old.

I did the numbers once. We were the second-worst power 5 women's basketball program since 2005 before our tournament appearance with Butler. Only Washington state was worse.

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Re: I don't understand why our women's team can't even be


Jan 13, 2022, 2:43 PM

because they keep hiring the "best" woman to coach who will work cheap rather than paying for a better coach or being willing to hire the best coach regardless of sex.

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