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Regarding 5 hearts


Feb 4, 2016, 8:58 AM

I just want to make this post to show why taking these guys is a good thing and has not cost us anything. This is not directed at any particular poster but has been a recurring theme on every Clemson site. #1 Dabo mentioned that character is incredibly important in the recruiting process and many of these guys have great character and are leaders on the team even if they don't see the field. Greenlee for example will probably only ever contribute meaningfully on special teams but works hard and is highly respected among his peers on the team. The same can be said for the Davis twins and also many of the walkons like Adrien Dunn and former walk on turned star Hunter Renfrow.

#2. Those guys have not stopped us from getting elite recruits. Almost every position is loaded with 4 stars and 3 stars and some groups have multiple 5 stars.

#3. Offering these kids didn't cost us to lose Battle, Ogundeko, Kitt, Bellamy, Kelly, Priester, Gibson, etc. Those were all highly regarded players that left because of their own actions most of which were related to discipline problems. It didn't stop us from getting 1 5 star in '14, 3 5 stars in '15, and 3 5 stars in '16 and nearly getting the #1 recruit in nation who wasn't a need but a want.

#4. They didn't cost us a national title but you could argue that Kearse did.

#5. Why aren't guys that were really rated low like Jalen Williams, Kendall Joseph, Marcus Edmond, and TJ Green considered 5 hearts.

Finally, if there weren't recruiting services and you just saw the films of these guys would you cry foul as much. I'm not going to discredit those services because they do a fine job but they can't see every prospect and when the staff likes a player they offer. 95% of the time they get the guys at the top of their board and 75-80% of the time they are 4-5 stars. Their second and third takes fall into the 3-4 star range usually. However, from time to time a guy that the really like that may be anywhere on the board is worth an offer and the services have never seen the kid or don't know enough. In other words, coaches can get tons of film and will watch as much as they can in an effort to determine offer worthiness. The services use their camps and to a lesser degree film to rate these prospects for various reasons. Trust the coaches that went 14-0 and lost to the king of CFB by 5 points in the title game that we haven't been to in 34 years.

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You lost me at 5 hearts


Feb 4, 2016, 9:01 AM

What is your purpose here?

I think it's about legacy recruits. Is it about legacy recruits? Did some dodo call in about legacy recruits on some lame radio show this morning ?

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Feb 4, 2016, 9:15 AM

a clemson site (not this one) has referred to these guys including legacy recruits as 5 hearts. I suppose it is either a backhanded semi compliment that criticizes the staff or straight disrespect. Whatever it is people in general complain about these offers on every site. No particular reason other than this is a message board to share opinions and I wanted to share mine to show respect to these players as well as the super studs we signed yesterday.

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Thank you ..I wont forget.***


Feb 4, 2016, 9:25 AM



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Feb 4, 2016, 9:30 AM [ in reply to Re: You lost me at 5 hearts ]

I don't follow, if you call a 2 star recruit a 5 heart recruit instead, shouldn't that be seen as a positive for that young man. If you have 2 star talent and a 5 star heart, you will be successful in life. Just the same as if you have 5 star talent and a 2 star heart, there is a good chance you will not be as successful as you could of been.

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Feb 4, 2016, 9:07 AM

I rather have a 2* athlete with a 5* work ethic than the other way around.

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Feb 4, 2016, 9:08 AM

Awesome post! In looking at how most of our recruit's star rankings drop the second they commit to us while anyone that commits to one the Gods of CFB ratings go up, I don't trust any evaluation any site makes.

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Feb 4, 2016, 9:10 AM

I think the only questionable take was Trapp. I'm ok with the rest. Don't see how it hurts us.

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Screw Calford.


If Trapp were 3 inches taller he's have been


Feb 4, 2016, 11:57 AM

a solid 3 star recruit. The guy can cover. Davis twins and Greenlee can definitely be questioned. But I'm on board with the OP's thoughts on this. Most of these guys are pups to so let's see if any actually develop.

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Feb 4, 2016, 9:25 AM

If you don't understand why guys like Jalen Williams and TJ Green don't count as 5-hearts then you really just don't understand the entire argument and probably don't want to. Same thing goes with trying to include players that are walk-ons and earned their rolls on the team.

Meanwhile, some could argue that depth, especially at special teams, did cost us a national title game. Just remember guys like Kareem Orr, freshman all american, wanted to be tigers but were turned away.

Dabo's legacy recruits will never stop Clemson from getting 5* recruits, trying to correlate the two is asinine. There will always be room for 5* players. Who they actually do keep away, which is ironic considering your argument, are the TJ Greens, Jalen Williams, and Grady Jarretts of the world. The actual diamond in the rough recruits.

Either way, I'm done with this argument on Tigernet. We landed another GREAT class of tigers and I guess any criticism is not allowed. I for one think Best is the Standard, but whatever.

Go Tigers

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Feb 4, 2016, 10:08 AM

My point is that people assume they offer guys like Dawkins, Turner, Greenlee because of their affiliation to the program. I think their affiliation allows the staff to evaluate these guys to a further extent than others. They see the potential in a Dawkins, Trapp, etc just the same as a Green or Williams. The only difference is that they stumbled across guys like Green, Williams and now a guy like K'Von Wallace. The other guys are players the coaches have seen for 5 or more years. I wouldn't say that these guys are to blame for the special teams blunders. The kick return team and kickoff teams had multiple 3 and 4 stars on them. Heck almost every team in the country was better than us on those teams and we are more talented even on special teams than at least 80% of them. Special teams is a different story that needs to be fixed. For those that want to say things about how Renfrow was different. They would have offered him if the class wasn't full at that position. He also had zero affiliation with the program so he was a guy they hadn't seen from day one. If he had even just played the position in high school and weighed more than 150 lbs he would have been offered.

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But Renforw wasn't offered...


Feb 4, 2016, 10:46 AM

That's the difference. It's one thing if they think Trapp and Dawkins can grow into players, with grow being the major word. Renfrow had to gain weight, he was too small, so he was offered a walk-on opportunity. However, Trapp and Dawkins are severely limited by their height (and weight too for that matter) but no amount of working out will make them taller. It sucks, but that's the nature of the game. You cannot be a defensive back at 5'7". Tyrann Matthieu, forever doubted because of his height, is still two inches taller than them. There just are not 5'7" DB's, plain and simple. If there are players that short in big time football, they play on the offensive side of the ball due to their blazing speed.

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Feb 4, 2016, 9:26 AM

Great post. As we all saw, we got who we got on nsd. Not like we said no to any blue chips.

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