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You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right
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You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:11 AM

there with you... but this notion that "we shouldn't lose to them b/c their coots" is crazy. They're a good football team. They're a physical football team. Spurrier has done a heck of a job there. Connor Shaw is a flat out gamer.

You can talk all you want about Columbia, fanbase, etc..., but they are bigger, stronger, and faster than us. They are coached well, and they absolutely benefit from being in the SEC.

For years, we were like, "it's not a rivalry"... well be careful what you wish for, b/c their program is pratty d@mn good now.

Now Dabo has to find a way to respond and get us to a level of play where we can compete with them.

Sorry, but it is what it is.

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:12 AM

100% true, but they were very beatable Saturday night.

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not gonna argue that... but good teams find ways to win...

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:15 AM

they find ways to get turnovers... they have a swagger about them...

I don't care how beatable they were or how bad we played, they won the game.

They also bring the hat (hit) a lot more than we do (or so it seems)

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


So let's go ahead and join the Big12 now.....


Dec 2, 2013, 12:48 PM

That will fix everything.

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FGF is this way you coot =======>


Dec 2, 2013, 10:14 AM

;)

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They kicked me out

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:16 AM

when I told them I was dsp's attorney

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


I respect the team, it's the fans that are pure trash.

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:16 AM

Honestly, I think half of us wouldn't mind losing to a good team if their fans weren't the perfect combination of ignorant and arrogant. They're like a bunch of redneck lottery winners. Talking crap with #### they haven't earned.

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While I agree... I would argue they've earned most of it


Dec 2, 2013, 10:17 AM

5 in a row is a big deal

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: I respect the team, it's the fans that are pure trash.

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Dec 2, 2013, 12:50 PM

I love generalized blanket statements.

All fan bases have fans that are "trash," as you say.

Ours, yours, mine, everyone's. Get over yourself.

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They are not bigger, faster, stronger

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:18 AM

that notion is plain dumb. You guys act like they just ran it up the middle for 400 yards and our weak, slow, small guys couldn't stop them.

Are they also bigger faster stronger than Auburn, LSU, and UGA?

How much they benefit from being in the SEC I don't know. Probably helps some for recruiting, obviously it helps with finances. Help with results? I doubt it. They've been in the SEC for 23 years and have been good for 5 years.

I agree with the rest. They are a VERY good team, and a VERY good program right now. They are also VERY well coached, and Connor Shaw is a terrific quarterback.

It sux losing to them but it's a game. One game. And people like to make these programmatic generalizations over 1 game. And doing so is lame.

Generally I respect your posts and opinion on here but think the bigger faster stronger argument is WAY off.

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I disagree....

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:23 AM

Especially the last 3 games.... I would say they are more aggressive than us. I think they fly to the ball better than us, and I think they bring more at the point of attack than we do...

Their receivers are flat out stronger and out-fought our DBs the last few games. Their secondary guys bring the wood too our backs and recievers.

That stuff adds up.

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


they have ~ 100 carries for < 3yds/carry in the last 2 years


Dec 2, 2013, 10:31 AM

there is nothing physically dominating about that stat except for clemson's front 7.

we gashed them in the running game, save our non-read option qb[square peg, round hole for tajh; i'll never get that]; why we continue to go away from the traditional running game needs to be answered.

we dropped 3 sure picks last year. i think what's frustrating most, is they are not the more gifted team, they are simply the better coached team.

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I agree with that.... but I've just noticed a swagger about

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:33 AM

them the last 3-4 years that we don't have. I still contend they are more physical at the point of attack. Not ever play, but overall, I think they are.

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


i don't think you'll like my answer, but we play fackitt


Dec 2, 2013, 10:49 AM

ball on O.

i saw a show where the panelists wondered if a true spread team[clemson, oregon] would ever win consistently against the meat of the ncaa.

no one was willing to say 'no', but everyone agreed it's easier to upset what those teams do, therefore, they're more susceptible against more traditional teams.

you know the book, punish the skill, knock them off their timing...

it's coaching; it's a choice and spurrier's making it look easy.

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I don''t disagree with you....


Dec 2, 2013, 10:51 AM

I like Chad, but he's gonna have to make some changes...

Here are two great examples:

1. Spurrier has gone from his "fun n gun" to being succesful now running the ball and being more balanced.

2. Malzahan, will spread you out, they they are going to run it down your throat.

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: I agree with that.... but I've just noticed a swagger about


Dec 3, 2013, 11:52 AM

York Tiger I couldn't agree more. It seems they play faster,hit harder,and just want it more. I don't expect players to go out and be foolish but its football not prep school,our guys seem very nice on the field.

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Re: they have ~ 100 carries for < 3yds/carry in the last 2 years

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Dec 2, 2013, 12:38 PM

"we dropped 3 sure picks last year" And that's poor coaching? Please elaborate..........

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i'm not rereading it all to you, it wasn't meant as an


Dec 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

example of poor coaching, it was a simple throw away response to their wrs outphysicalling our dbs. we had our chances.

they have outcoached us. if you want to square off about that i'm your huckleberry.

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Re: I disagree....


Dec 3, 2013, 10:07 AM

Dear Antler spray is banned at Clemson. What are our guys to do? Insert mini cans of pepper spray in our DB's gloves should do it!!!

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I disagree!

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:18 AM

I thinkw e matched up well against them. The difference in the game was the 17 points they got off of our turnovers.

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there's a reason for that***


Dec 2, 2013, 10:21 AM



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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: there's a reason for that***


Dec 2, 2013, 12:47 PM

The kid in the orange jersey did not catch the ball. The ones in the garnet ones picked it up. Nothing magical or mystical about that.

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no need to go that far

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:19 AM

There's no reason, and there hasn't been with maybe the exception of 2010, to say that they're "bigger, stronger, and faster than us." If you watched the game at all this year, at least, you'd see that the team that looked bigger, stronger, and faster didn't win. Clemson dominated the lines of scrimmage, moved the ball at will, and shut down their running game while giving up minimal yardage through the air. South Carolina had to resort to trick plays and QB draws to move it against Clemson.

Turnovers, specifically two turnovers off of punts that gave the ball to South Carolina deep on our side of the field, are what killed us. With the way Clemson was moving the ball and the timing of both of those turnovers, I don't think it's a stretch to say that those turnovers caused at least a 21 point swing (South Carolina doesn't get a chance to score those two easy TDs, and Clemson gets at least a touchdown out of it).

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We did some very good things... and this year it wasn't as


Dec 2, 2013, 10:24 AM

obvious... but I'm telling you, on the whole over the last few years...

They've been more physical at almost every position (not DL this year). Their receivers are stronger than our DBs. Their DBs are stronger than our receivers and backs.

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


that is silly...


Dec 2, 2013, 10:27 AM

Now you're just self flagellating. There's no need to make things sound worse than the already awful truth. At least the last couple of years, Clemson has clearly been the more talented team, but lack of execution (this year) and a bad game plan (last year) has cost us wins.

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I didn't say anything about talent... we are clearly very


Dec 2, 2013, 10:28 AM

talented...

but if you haven't noticed that UCS has had a "swagger" about them the last few years, that Clemson does not, then you are blind.

They come in expecting to be physical, bring the wood, and win.... and they have.

period

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


You are basing your receiver comment on 2 catches


Dec 2, 2013, 10:33 AM

From a physical standpoint, how did their RBs match up to ours? How about their QB?

Do you REALLY believe their WRs are more physical? LBs?

C'mon man. You are arguing stuff just to argue it.

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go back and watch tape... not individual plays... watch


Dec 2, 2013, 10:35 AM

the last few games...

they are more physical, period

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Brah-last 3 games were against 6-6 MSU, 4-8 UF, and


Dec 2, 2013, 11:06 AM

Coastal.

They probably did look physical.

Scheme plays a role as well. We are a more zone based defense and zone based running game.

Still not sure the past few games shows a team more "physical" than Clemson.

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brah... last three times WE played them***


Dec 2, 2013, 11:07 AM



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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Possible in 2011. Not buying 2012 or 2013.


Dec 2, 2013, 11:13 AM

They have beat us with ball control and turnovers the past 2 years.

Saturday night was not a case of more physical.

2012 was a case of 2:0 in turnovers and couldn't get stops on 3rd down in the 2nd half.

More physical? Watch USC v Coastal. Watch Clemson v Citadel.

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Dec 3, 2013, 10:57 AM

Ooooops, :) ESECPN actually showed someone else the same game that I watched. Turn overs, turn overs, turn overs, turn overs, made us look worse than we are twice this year. And they killed, killed, killed, killed us for the second time this year against two good teams. The senseless turn overs makes me believe our guys were intimidated by the Coots and FSU. And for me, that falls on leadership. Our guys played like they were scared they would lose.

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Re: You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:24 AM

Yea, playing TN, KY, FL, Vandy and the other Sec East Powerhouse teams really prepared them for CU. Come on man.

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wow***


Dec 2, 2013, 10:25 AM



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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Wow what? He's right.


Dec 2, 2013, 10:30 AM

Mizzou isn't some great big burly team either. Amazing how Mizzou and A&M join the SEC and INSTANTLY are regarded as being big and fast and tough.

Arkansas?

I just don't get the argument.

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what do you attribute the change in culture at SCU to?


Dec 2, 2013, 10:32 AM

If not the SEC, then what? Spurrier is an SEC guy who has coached and won in that league. He has brought that mentality to the program...

What else to you attribute it to?

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


In one word, coaching.


Dec 2, 2013, 10:34 AM

They have one of the greatest coaches in the history of college football. Like it or not.

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I agree with that 100%... but if you don't think being the


Dec 2, 2013, 10:36 AM

SEC has greatly enhanced their program, then you're just choosing to not see it.

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


How so?


Dec 2, 2013, 11:03 AM

Body of work regarding their membership please. From 1990 to date.

I think if you plot results on a graph, then overlay results by coach it will be easy to attribute the success to SOS as opposed to the SEC.

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True - a lot of people on here seem to think.........


Dec 2, 2013, 10:28 AM

we're still playing the "old" South Carolina team/program that had no talent/confidence. SS has changed all of that since he's been there and it shows.

They're not a "63-17" type of team/program anymore.

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bigger,stronger and faster ? did you happen to see the stats

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Dec 2, 2013, 10:30 AM

, by any chance. we lost 5 categories- turnovers,penalties, t.o.p., first downs by 3, and rushing yards by 13 yards on 21 more carries . and they scored 14 more than we did. 2 touchdowns,2 xtra point conversions. that is with those extra 6 possessions, 2 of which were on punt returns, so we didn't even have a play from scrimmage. how in the world does that make them bigger,faster,or stronger ?

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"Bigger, faster, stronger"?


Dec 2, 2013, 10:31 AM

Lol. A tough loss sure does bring the idiot out in people.

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you're right.... this loss brought me out for my 50,000 post


Dec 2, 2013, 10:34 AM

or so...

wut?

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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


We can compete now.


Dec 2, 2013, 10:45 AM

In fact, if we had simply held on to the ball, Clemson would have won this one easily. Also, it does not hurt so bad to lose on the road to a good team. The thing we have to do is stop losing to them at home. IMO last year was a far worse loss than any on the road. Win the ones at home and take our shot at them on the road and I will be satisfied.

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Re: We can compete now.


Dec 2, 2013, 10:57 AM

would have won "easily" Really?

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people just can't understand we got beat by a better team


Dec 2, 2013, 10:53 AM

don't understand why that's so hard to figure out...

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for 5 years in a row?***


Dec 2, 2013, 12:39 PM



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Agree partly but they are not bigger, stronger faster than


Dec 2, 2013, 11:08 AM

us because we absolutely played well in the trenches. We played good enough to win if we don't shoot our own feet off many times over, 6 TO's (one that should have been a TD for us) the off sides on USC 4th down, etc, etc. They are coached well and are a pretty good team but we hung with them at their place and "should" have won that game.

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Yep..and Helmets off to QB Conner Shaw, a true gamer IMO....


Dec 2, 2013, 11:16 AM

GoTiGERS!

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True, props to Shaw, glad he's graduating***


Dec 2, 2013, 12:10 PM



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agreed....they are just better right now***


Dec 2, 2013, 11:14 AM



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Re: You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right


Dec 2, 2013, 11:14 AM

Yeah, they whipped our ###, plain and simple,Connor Shaw made our defense look like a bunch of pop warner players, thats twice the #### QB has done that, we will never learn, just face it were losers when it comes down to the game that counts.

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you seen their schedule???***


Dec 2, 2013, 12:39 PM



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yea, wins against two top 6 teams (2 of 3) your point?******


Dec 2, 2013, 12:57 PM



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Re: you seen their schedule???***


Dec 3, 2013, 10:23 AM

That schedule had some good teams on it. @UCF, @Mizzou, @UGA, Vandy and Clemson. And some teams that have good/great players on their rosters and are tough games like UT,UF and MSU. UNC was decent as well. Bold teams are going bowling.

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Spurrier is a heck of a coach. Their recruiting is mediocre


Dec 2, 2013, 12:40 PM

as always. Now they could go out and get another Spurrier once he retires, but I think there's a good chance they end up with another Holtz, or worse.. and thus return to mediocrity.

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Not with the money & prestige


Dec 2, 2013, 1:10 PM

If Spurrier leaves with a perennial top 10 team and a stocked cupboard South Carolina will pull out the pocketbook & pay what they need to in order to get another elite coach.

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Re: Spurrier is a heck of a coach. Their recruiting is mediocre


Dec 3, 2013, 10:38 AM

Define mediocre.

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When some "expert" doesn't rank them as high.


Dec 3, 2013, 11:59 AM

According to these ########.


I don't have any clue what the rankings or star ratings of Spurrier's recruits are, but I know that SCAR looks like a strong, fast, physical team from top to bottom, and we looked weak except at WR.

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Wait a minute, their Coeds or their football team?***


Dec 2, 2013, 12:44 PM



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Your'e right. They're a better team, top to bottom, and


Dec 2, 2013, 12:45 PM

definitely have better coaching.

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This game was lost primarily...


Dec 2, 2013, 1:00 PM

because of the turnovers and miscues at key points, but in the end we still couldn't contain Shaw. Inability to get the D off the field on 3rd down has been a constant against them. And mentally, I think we just lacked confidence down the stretch. A lot of that is probably due to the total collapse against FSU. When you lack confidence you make critical mistakes... like fumbling punts and throwing bad interceptions. I think the lack of confidence showed on the first drive with Morris... feeling like he needed trickery instead of just continuing to do what we had done on that drive. In other games at that point, Boyd would have dropped back and thrown a TD strike to Sammy or Martavis or Mike... but Morris felt the need for a trick play on the opening drive. Just my opinion, but I think that indicates a lack of confidence in our system. This WASN'T Alabama or FSU - it was a very beatable coot team who has more confidence in their strengths than we do. That's what really has to change IMO. From the coaches on down we need the confidence to make plays when it matters against quality teams. It was shattered against FSU and never regained. And it ### sure better be rebuilt if we are going to have any chance against Alabama.

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Re: You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right


Dec 2, 2013, 1:04 PM

The better team won period. I tried to tell all of you that on Wednesday of last week.

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Re: You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right


Dec 2, 2013, 1:10 PM

We didn't know the outcome of the game on Wednesday of last week, so that's probably why no one listened to you.

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Re: You guys can make fun of coots all you want... and I'm right


Dec 2, 2013, 1:14 PM

All you had to do was look at recent history & team match ups at all positions.

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It's not like they're winning the SEC or anything.***


Dec 2, 2013, 1:18 PM



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Dec 3, 2013, 12:40 PM

I agree with you that we should not have the attitude that we should win just because "they are coots." However, I completely disagree with your comment that they are bigger, stronger and faster than us. That is simply false. We have been outcoached for the last five years and it is clear that the SC players want it more than our players. The talent level is pretty even between our 2 programs. Even with the disaster of 6 turnovers, time of possession being 18 minutes less than SC, and approximately 20 less offensive plays, our offense outgained SC by 60 yards. None of this makes me feel any better about the outcome, but talent is not the issue.

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Dec 3, 2013, 7:03 PM

York tiger nailed it. They are more physical. Period.

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