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RIP Clemson men’s basketball

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 1:09 PM
 

Brownlee does not have the “it” factor. He is not very engaging when he talks on tv. I’m not sure any big time recruit would ever play for him wherever he coached. The only reason we did so well last year was because we were hitting 3 point shots at an unusual high rate.
It’s frustrating to watch us play. Watching unc and duke last night showed what real basketball is. Great game.
Let Dabo be a dual coach or something. What we got now ain’t working. It will get us NIT the years we don’t make ncaa. But we are at our ceiling now.

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you Don’t like Brownell

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 1:27 PM
 

Understood

But please make a cogent comment on why you don’t think he will ever be a great coach.

Do you really think kids make decisions on where to go based upon a TV interview? Really? That comment is simply Laughable!

Let’s see Dabo take Clemson’s basketball tradition, pathetic resources, poor support by students/Administration, terrible in state recruiting options, and then compete each week against multiple teams form a conference that is by far the best in the country full of Hall of Fame coaches.

And by the way, not allow him to cheat against the likes of most schools around him that do.

But yeah, Its easy to see the similarities between football and basketball.......

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Re: you Don’t like Brownell

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 1:41 PM
 

The instate recruiting isn't as bad as we make it out to be. There are some really good players playing all over the country from SC. Why did we miss on them? Why didn't we offer all of them? Two of the best players in the nation are from SC. We have talent in our state, but Brownell has failed to sign and/or identify them. We loss on a 5* last year to Tennessee. The facilities excuse can't be used anymore, and we were coming off a Sweet 16 appearance. We had everything going and he still failed to sign a top guy.

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 1:52 PM
 

Not really trying to argue anything here with you, but I'm curious if you remember the period for UNCheat between Dean Smith retiring, and the hiring of Roy Williams.

I might get this wrong because I don't care that much about that school. Dean's assistant was not that bad, and they seemed to do okay while he was HC. But then they hired someone that they thought might be a great coach, and he flopped and lost a lot of games. *Note: CLEMSON could not even beat them at Chapel Hill during his short tenure.

But then, UNCheat realized they had to compete, and to do that, they had to go after the right coach. I think Roy was at Kansas or somewhere, and they paid a ton to get him. The rest is history.

Bama did the same when they fired Shula (?) and hired Saban.

If you get the right coach, people realize that he's a winner, and BAM! You're suddenly a success.

If you're still in doubt how to make it work, just re-read this until it becomes clear. The caveat is that CLEMSON Admin has a history of finding the diamond in the rough coach, and hoping they were Nostradamus, so we can expect more of the same from our next coach. Sorry to break the crushing realization to you, but you might as well know before the storm hits.

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 2:23 PM
 

IMO an established, big name coach from a major college would not risk his career/reputation by taking a chance at Clemson.

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Ben Howland is at Miss St

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 2:34 PM
 

Barnes at Tenn, Crean at Jawja, how are those schools much different from us in hoops?

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We know the tired excuses and overused talking points.


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 6:43 PM
 

Though I don't agree with most of your assertions.

But not being a cheater is a new one.

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we Know the tired and lame reasons


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:07 PM
 

You think BB is a bad coach. So I guess we are even.

BB is probably the cleanest coach in the country and easiest the cleanest Clemson has ever had.

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I wasn't aware that anyone other than Tates and Cliff

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:10 PM
 

even had any suspicions about them in regards to cheating

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I wasn't aware that anyone other than Tates and Cliff


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:10 PM
 

even had any suspicions about them in regards to cheating

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:12 PM
 

I'm assuming he watched the ACC coaches at the table on ESPN. I agree. I didn't see all of it, but milk toast is what you see from my view point. At one point, the GT coach and BB both said they liked the idea of letting kids out of school whenever they felt they were ready to try the NBA. Both Brad and GT coach were in agreement. But Hamilton from FlaSt felt ,strongly, different. He presented his point. I liked it better, much better. But the point of this is . . . .both Brad and GT coach then tried to ride in on the coat tail of what Hamilton said. LOL Even though it was completely opposite of what they said first. Too funny. So you got a good idea of how strong of a personality BB has.

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Posted: Mar 17, 2019, 2:03 PM
 

Resources???

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Re: RIP Clemson men’s basketball


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 1:40 PM
 

When I state similar things (for the past 4-5 years) with those that support CBB, I feel like I'm debating with Cortez (AOC) or Pelosi. While their arguments cannot be invalidated completely on the spot, it takes a lot of energy to try to spell it out for them and hope they can understand it.

Example:
How are you going to pay for it - oh, we'll just print more money.
Uh - well, you cannot just print more money, or you'll be like Germany when they did that and their economy broke.

When they argue that CBB is really good at coaching, and if he had their players, and they had our players, then CLEMSON would win those games. Well, duh. This cannot be proven or invalidated because it will never happen.

And when they argue that if CLEMSON had the tradition that Duke or UNC have in BBall, then CLEMSON would get the blue chip recruits. Well that cannot happen either, so we cannot invalidate their argument.

And the argument that if we wait 17 years like FSU did, then we would get to the NCAA, is beyond comprehension IMO. That's like Stephen Hawking predicting the world will end in a million years or whatever he said. Nobody alive today will be alive to invalidate his stupid prediction. Waiting 8 more years in hopes of making the NCAA tourney is beyond anything I can possibly comprehend. I hope those that have this argument are not in a position in their company such that they actually make decisions.

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I have no clue what point you’re making

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:10 PM
 

But I’m happy that you spent a few minutes with that disfunctional response.

Go find another coach. Frankly, Clemson doesn’t deserve a quality coach or at least this fan base on T-net doesn’t.

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Re: RIP Clemson men’s basketball

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Brownlee does not have the “it” factor. He is not very engaging when he talks on tv. I’m not sure any big time recruit would ever play for him wherever he coached. The only reason we did so well last year was because we were hitting 3 point shots at an unusual high rate.
It’s frustrating to watch us play. Watching unc and duke last night showed what real basketball is. Great game.
Let Dabo be a dual coach or something. What we got now ain’t working. It will get us NIT the years we don’t make ncaa. But we are at our ceiling now.

please find an other hobby. you are no tiger fan.

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My guess is I have been a Clemson


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:12 PM
 

Fan longer than you’ve been alive.

But I supposed you’re able to determine my Tiger worthiness by my post. Maybe you should be the next BB coach as you’re obviously clairvoyant.

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Re: RIP Clemson men’s basketball


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 2:14 PM
 


Brownlee does not have the “it” factor. He is not very engaging when he talks on tv. I’m not sure any big time recruit would ever play for him wherever he coached. The only reason we did so well last year was because we were hitting 3 point shots at an unusual high rate.
It’s frustrating to watch us play. Watching unc and duke last night showed what real basketball is. Great game.
Let Dabo be a dual coach or something. What we got now ain’t working. It will get us NIT the years we don’t make ncaa. But we are at our ceiling now.




Can someone who speaks dumbarse rube translate for he rest of our fanbase?

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 3:07 PM
 

a long, proven track record of mediocrity, and think that Brownell led Clemson teams will somehow start being better than they've ever been. I mean, I guess anything is possible, but no rational, objective person can make a case for Brownell at this point.

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Re: I admire loyalists who, for some unknownn reason, can ignore

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 3:33 PM
 


a long, proven track record of mediocrity, and think that Brownell led Clemson teams will somehow start being better than they've ever been. I mean, I guess anything is possible, but no rational, objective person can make a case for Brownell at this point.




Actually our recruiting has improved since we invested in a facility. This is basically year two of the tenure so it is hard to see how a rational person would want to walk at this point knowing our admin will not spend what it would take to bring in a big gun and a coach from the horizon league would not likely do as well as CBB

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I’m not rationale????


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:14 PM
 

Now that was funny.

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 5:09 PM
 

Because of his contract BB will have one more year before buy-out. Looks bleak for him. What has done him in is inability to close a game. Basically, he chokes. Lets players free lance too much. Just does not have what it takes . We need a dynamic, young coach. Make it worth his while to STAY at Clemson. If you can spend 45 million on an old arena, you can sure as #### do whatever it requires to go after someone special. Money talks and BS walks.

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The money we spent on Littlejohn isn't that much.

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Posted: Mar 17, 2019, 3:40 PM
 

Virginia spent three times as much on their new arena.

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Whats so great about two teams combining to go 9-47


Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:16 PM
 

from 3?

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 7:18 PM
 

and who is this Brownlee you speak of, do not see him at CU??

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Posted: Mar 16, 2019, 8:28 PM
 

That’s the day the ACC was formed and Clemson became a charter member with absolutely no plans or desire to support a competitive basketball program.

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Posted: Mar 17, 2019, 2:38 PM
 

Don't even think about it. Do you actually think Clemson is going to pay a basketball coach more than Dabo's base salary? Well...to get Coach K, you'll pay him almost $8M/yr. I agree that something needs to change, but I don't have the answers, except that football should not be touched.

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