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Same author, same outlet, same outcome
Nov 21, 2021, 8:56 AM
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this is typical Democrat lunge P&R.
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Re: Same author, same outlet, same outcome
Nov 21, 2021, 9:37 AM
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Are they real?
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I haven’t read the articles but that is hilarious coming from
Nov 21, 2021, 9:40 AM
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the same writer on the same platform nine days apart.
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Re: I haven’t read the articles but that is hilarious coming from
Nov 21, 2021, 10:13 AM
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The headlines are fairly shameless...but reporters rarely control those, editors do. The actual articles are a lot more objective. Like, the content within the second article clearly states that what Xi and Biden did was dump some more oil on the market but it was a short-term salve that wasn't going to fix the underlying long-term supply issues for long.
Bad headlines, what they call "leading" headlines. Actually really informative articles though. This is why CNN gets this not-great rating from MBFC...though if you take a look at how MBFC rates the actual website reporting (as opposed to its editorializing) they say it's well-written and generally credible. Would you agree with this review? Because I certainly do.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left/cnn-bias/ CNN Bias CNN bias is Left with mixed credible and reliable reporting. They have a liberal editorial bias that sometimes is not factual.
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LOL!***
Nov 21, 2021, 10:31 AM
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Re: LOL!***
Nov 21, 2021, 12:22 PM
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Okay, you've identified a problem...but nobody wants to talk about how to solve it. You guys seem to just collectively want to scream and yell and work your way into a tizzy...and then, what, go turn into an angry mob and go get the torches and pitchforks? Let's see how that goes.
There is clear bias and shameless pivoting on these headlines...though again, the content within the articles is far more factual and less biased.
What would you do to fix this obvious problem?
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I mean, these complaints aren’t about what *we* are
Nov 21, 2021, 2:11 PM
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going to do to fix journalism. It’s not our problem to fix. Journalism, for any number of reasons, has eroded its own credibility. That is the choice they have made. I don’t see any appetite to fix it on their part. I see emotional pushback to the idea that they aren’t objective or defenders pointing to the things they do right, as if that makes the bad “okay”. Therefore I tune them out. They aren’t serving to inform me but to sway me to their perspective. My problem, therefore, is solved.
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Well, that still leaves you with a pretty big problem
Nov 21, 2021, 3:04 PM
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where do you go to be informed on the news of the day? Can you cite examples of the sources you go to that you trust?
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I can’t, no.***
Nov 21, 2021, 3:25 PM
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Re: I mean, these complaints aren’t about what *we* are
Nov 21, 2021, 4:14 PM
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But are you well-informed?
Just at a suggestion: what if all informational broadcasts were forced to bear their bias ratings and the number of failed fact checks - and whether what they were doing was even considered actual news or just "opinion infotainment" - on each article they present, and that way viewers could judge for themselves the value of a given broadcast and we didn't have to choose between what many obviously consider lies and worse lies? Because I gotta tell you, that is a nihilistic no-solution view you've got there...and I don't agree with it. There is no truth, only spin. Woof. Talk about a "post-truth world" the academics like to blather on about....
What if there was an actual penalty for rushing out stories, for exhibiting bias, for getting stuff wrong?
It wouldn't even have to be sponsored by the government, necessarily. As you said, the media created this problem, let the media sort it out. Let them all get together and establish some parameters and a board for fact-checking and peer review, then fund some private auditors to do so. It hardly seems an unsolvable problem.
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I would consider myself sufficiently informed.
Nov 21, 2021, 10:14 PM
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That would, to my knowledge, be the first time one of my opinions/perspectives was described as nihilistic. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. I didn't say it shouldn't be solved or can't be solved. I said it's not our problem to solve for them. Nor did I ever state nor imply that "There is no truth, only spin." There's truth, but it doesn't appear to be the media's top interest these days.
I do not advocate for any government-mandated scoring of the news media. Certainly more self-policing should be contemplated. But I don't know what that would look like. In my opinion there is a complete breakdown in journalistic integrity these days. Too hungry for eyeballs and clicks, too much pressure to maximize profits, too much pressure to make a deadline or break the story first, lazy reporters, reporters trying to make a name for themselves, reporters who are just too self-important...I don't know...lots of problems and very little accountability.
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Re: I mean, these complaints aren’t about what *we* are
Nov 21, 2021, 5:13 PM
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Agree, what kind of silly remark is that.
The PROBLEM are the stupid, emotionally unstable liberals that believe anything put in front of them, especially if it fits the progressive, woke narrative of the day.
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He is lol’ing at your
Nov 21, 2021, 2:20 PM
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excuses and spinning. Cause it’s hilarious.
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Re: He is lol’ing at your
Nov 21, 2021, 5:15 PM
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Really!
The insanity is presented to them in black and white. They can't see it and have to change the subject to try and rationalize the problem away.
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Re: You can't expect people to read more than the headline
Nov 21, 2021, 4:05 PM
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But it's not good journalism, either.
This "news as people want it" is...problematic. It's creating two camps of people getting wildly divergent facts, not just slant.
At some point you get a split in the culture - especially when they're both accusing the other of being evil - and they're going to fight.
That is...not good. I hope we can all agree on that?
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That's true in terms of places like Fox news and MSNBC
Nov 21, 2021, 5:04 PM
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and the deluge of partisan "news" sites on the web that push the narrative that you can't trust the "mainstream media" or the "other guy" in order to push eyeballs to their own content. It's a ruse to rile the rubes.
But I agree with you that news should be biased to the truth and not tailored to the beliefs of those reading the article (if they even read the article).
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