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Welp California is really about to break College sports
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Welp California is really about to break College sports

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:13 PM

It was fun while it lasted ?‍♂️?‍♂️

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1616193721833234437?s=21&t=4NBeJNIm6rvzCoMOMJj7GQ

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:17 PM



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Maybe if you “identify as” a 19 year old!***

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:18 PM

South Carolina tried to secede from the union, California should be kicked out.

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:23 PM

New York and Cali. 2 states I want no part of living in.

The overregulation in California is crazy. So much extra you have to pay attention to in business.

One of my old bosses offered me a job in So Cal. I said 1. You cannot pay enough to maintain equal lifestyle. 2. I am not dealing with all of the extra stuff I have to do to be compliant with their laws.

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports


Jan 20, 2023, 12:05 PM

I had the same situation... But that was 25 years ago. It is far worse now. At that time only 1% of the people that worked and lived in San Diego could actually afford to purchase a house there. People were driving 2 1/2 hours one way to get to work each day. The guy that interviewed me had four kids and lived in a 2 bedroom house with a 2 hour commute. No way of life for me.

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports


Jan 20, 2023, 9:32 PM

That’s crazy. You would have to live closer to LA than SD to commute 2.5 hours. Even a Temecula commute is about an hour on a good day.

San Diego traffic really isn’t that bad compared to most cities. The county is huge, but we generally only travel up to north county and south to downtown/Coronado, so it seems small.

The job market is solid. Lots of tech/biotech, tourism, and military related companies because of all the bases.

As far as housing prices go, that’s relative too. Definitely pricey compared to most of the US, but significantly less than comparable areas of OC/LA and the Bay Area. Wages are high. Taxes are high too, but my property tax rate is lower than my NJ and MA houses. Good public schools by the coast and north county. Comparable to SC elsewhere.

I’m not sure how new buyers get in this market though. We were fortunate to get our first place in ‘08 right after the crash. The prices keep going up too because people from LA and SF are moving here to offset those leaving the state. There will always be new transplants wanting to escape the cold.

I’ve lived down south, NJ, NYC, Boston, and there are going to be pluses and minuses wherever you choose. It depends on what you value. I’m willing to pay more for beautiful weather, great beaches/scenery, the best IPA’s on earth, legal marijuana, and no mosquitoes.

Agree that CA is over-regulated and the homeless situation in some parts of the cities needs to get cleaned up. SD is not as liberal as most think though. Border city with lots of military and folks with money. Overall, people are pretty chill here, much less douchey than LA and way better than SF weirdos.

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The south did succeed from the union.

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Jan 19, 2023, 11:54 PM [ in reply to Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports ]

And at the time it was legal and constitutional. But Lincoln and others that he was beholden to weren’t having it. The war was not over slavery. Lincoln couldn’t care less about the slaves. All you have to do is read his letter to Horace Greeley, to know this. The emancipation proclamation was two years after the war started and freed 0 slaves. Slavery was legal in five or six states in the north during the war. Slavery didn’t end until six months after the war when the constitution was amended to free slaves and make it unConstitutional to succeed.

It actually wasn’t even a Civil War. The south succeeded. They weren’t fighting the north over control of the government. That’s what a Civil War is. Two factions fighting for control of the government. The south said we’re out of here we’re forming our own government.

Lincoln knew the south could succeed legally, which is one of the reasons he suspended the supreme court, because he feared the south would sue him in court and win. Just one of many constitutional rights trampled on by Lincoln, who was the first big government authoritarian president. Presidential scholars and historians to this day twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify and rationalize all of the unconstitutional actions illegally predicated by Lincoln. He’s not the greatest president or one of the greatest presidents. He’s arguably the worst president. His disregard for the constitution makes modern-day Democrats drool with envy.

Lincoln knew that a war was not desired, nor supported by popular opinion, especially in the newspapers of the day throughout the north. This is precisely why Lincoln had to instigate the war by manipulating the south into firing the first shot so that he could say the south were the aggressor’s. Thus rationalizing using union forces and marching into the south starting the war. He did this by sending a supply ship into Charleston Harbor to resupply Fort Sumter. The same thing happened under Buchanan before Lincoln was sworn into office. Thus, he knew the south would fire upon any ship trying to supply Anderson.

The south did not want to start a war. They succeeded peacefully. But they wanted Fort Sumter so they cut off the supply lines and were going to starve Anderson and his troops out of the fort.

Lincoln sent a supply ship into Charleston Harbor and forces from the battery fired on the ship. The ship and Fort Sumter started firing back. Lincoln then sent union troops into the south and the war had begun. Not long after he wrote a friend and in the letter he said “ our desired result has been achieved.”

People up north and out west have been calling the south traitors ever since. Yet the Confederates were not traitors. Jefferson himself predicted it would happen. America has never been one cohesive government. Each state had to ratify the constitution and join voluntarily. Nowhere in the constitution were states prohibited from leaving the union. The founding fathers created our government as a Federalist union, whereby the federal government had extremely limited powers with the states holding the overwhelming majority of power, because they knew how easy it was for a federal government to be authoritarian. Thus they gave almost all of the power to individual states and created the second amendment so the populace could revolt if the federal government become authoritarian and tyrannical.

The vast, overwhelming majority of what the federal government does today is completely unconstitutional. Lincoln was the first of many authoritarian presidents, and the federal government has been trampling the rights of the citizens ever since.

Slavery didn’t actually end until six months after the war, when three new amendments were made to the constitution. One of those ended slavery and another made it unconstitutional for state to succeed.

Therefore, the irony of California wanting to succeed. Progressives in California have been wanting to succeed for a few decades because they think they’ve got one of the worlds biggest economies without the rest of the country and that they will be just fine on their own. I think they think Washington and Oregon would go with them. So the irony of progressives calling the south traitors all these years while they are the ones wanting to unconstitutionally succeed.

This country is headed for some type of break up and I welcome it. It should’ve happened a long time ago. It’s ridiculous to force two groups of people that are fundamentally different in almost every way to coexist. America has always been divided with periods of deep polarization. The only time we have ever really been united is during the revolutionary war, the 10 to 20 years following World War II, and immediately following 9/11. Otherwise America has always been a polarized country. But it was inevitable, and it’s I think in evitable, because we are not America, but the United States of America.

This is nothing new. After the British empire fell, and India gain its independence the Muslims and Hindus could not get along without the British army, which is why Bangladesh and Pakistan were formed. Actually, it started out as east and west Bangladesh, but the Muslims can’t even get along with themselves.

Look at Eastern Europe following the collapse of the Soviet union. After all those years of oppression by the Soviet union, do you think they would’ve been happy to have their freedom, but instead all of those old conflicts and animosities came back to life. They were never gone. They were simply smoldering under the oppression of the Soviet union.

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Re: The south did succeed from the union.

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Jan 20, 2023, 12:10 AM

Interesting history lesson.

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Re: The south did succeed from the union.

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Jan 20, 2023, 5:48 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

Secede

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Re: The south did succeed from the union.

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Jan 20, 2023, 6:04 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

Yea somebody on here was going on about California monies helping South Carolinians and then I seen where Cali was looking at a 22 billion shortfall in the next year while SC just sent me a rebate and lowered my taxes for 2023.

Something does not add up.

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that poster was right . it isn't complicated at all


Jan 20, 2023, 11:15 AM

you have federal government , state government, county government, city government


California is a federally contributing state.. south Carolina is a federally dependent state.

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Re: that poster was right . it isn't complicated at all

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Jan 20, 2023, 12:39 PM

The shell game is in the federal deficits and military bases. The Federal government owns over 50% of California. Camp Pendleton is bigger than the state of Rhode Island.

All this to say that much of California's "contribution" is just a recycle Federal money back to the Federal government.
Then if you take out corporations and go to and individual draw level, per capita California citizens are a far bigger drag on the Federal and state government than a per capita SC citizen would ever think of being.

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California is rapidly becoming a state that is two populations

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Jan 21, 2023, 9:18 AM

The very rich and the very poor. The middle class have been fleeing California for years. White American citizens have been fleeing California for years. I think the last two years they have had net negative population growth but if you looked only at American citizens, they have had negative growth for nearly 20 years. But their total population until recently has still grown because of legal and illegal immigration into California.

Tens of thousands of businesses and corporations have left, including names that are synonymous with California like Tesla and Hewlett-Packard. Even Toyota left California. All three are now in Texas!

CVS has closed more than 15 stores in San Francisco because now you can steal up to $900 worth of merchandise and the police cannot even stop you and question you. It’s just like with BLM and antifa. They burn down communities they say they support. Everything the left does harms all of the people they say they care about! Because they don’t care about those people, they use them for political power, and then #### all over them! And those idiots keep voting for them, because they have been brainwashed!

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Re: that poster was right . it isn't complicated at all


Jan 20, 2023, 12:50 PM [ in reply to that poster was right . it isn't complicated at all ]

BUT…… California benefits from a vast line item amount in the federal budget. If they seceded, they would have to forgo the revenue associated with all the military bases, etc. That’s huge.

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It depends on how you calculate it.

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Jan 21, 2023, 9:11 AM [ in reply to that poster was right . it isn't complicated at all ]

We are when you count things like welfare & disability & social security. It’s far more complicated than people think it is. Also, from a federal gas tax California is huge and people drive up and down those long interstates, whereas they pass through South Carolina which is a small state.

Bottom line California is going bankrupt and corporations that helped make California more than 50 years ago Are leaving for Texas and other states. South Carolina now has BMW, Boeing, Volvo, Mercedes, and many other corporations that people are unaware of. And more are coming!

A big part of what hurts South Carolina is demographics and socioeconomics. We have one of the highest percentages of minorities and people milking off the system.

But California is anti-business South Carolina is pro business. California is crazy and fascist and authoritarian, and South Carolina is pretty business friendly and pretty open, but we could be better such as constitutional carry, more REO asked Home school Regs, and eliminate the state income tax, which is part of why Florida, Texas, and Tennessee are tops on the list of people leaving the rest of the country and moving to the south.

FYI SC was second in the nation last year in job growth.

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This history is right on the money…

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Jan 20, 2023, 7:39 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

So true!! All the young people need to read and hear this. Thanks.

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Re: This history is right on the money…

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Jan 20, 2023, 8:50 AM

Actually pretty spot on, but poor spelling 'secede' and West Pakistan and East Pakistan (which became independent and renamed itself Bangladesh). Minor errors can undermine even the best argument.

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It was late and I was voice dictating on my phone

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Jan 20, 2023, 9:41 AM

I thought I had edited the post properly but it was long and I was tired and missed a few things. Shoot me! If such minor things distract you from the bigger truth look in the mirror.

You are correct, it was east and west Pakistan. I know that I simply confused them. It’s a minor detail that doesn’t change the history or point I was making.

They were part of India and left but could not get along so they separated as well. Just as Burma was part of India but became an independent country now called Myanmar.

We’re not in history class. This is an online forum. The bigger points are what matter. Honestly, I appreciate you correcting me because it was in fact a simple mistake on my part. The rest of the comment, however, is your problem!

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Re: It was late and I was voice dictating on my phone


Jan 20, 2023, 12:34 PM

How much time did you spend “righting” that?

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It’s called auto correct and posting while being busy.

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Jan 21, 2023, 9:20 AM

Maybe I should start reading every one of your posts and pointing out every little minor error and detail. People like you are pathetic and sad!

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Re: It’s called auto correct and posting while being busy.


Jan 21, 2023, 5:45 PM

I just can’t believe you wasted that much time with that post like you are auditioning for the History Channel. At first I thought it was a copy/paste job, but then you said you dictated it. Feel free to review and call out my mistakes. I know that I’ve made a few.

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not 100% accurate

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Jan 20, 2023, 11:17 AM [ in reply to This history is right on the money… ]

"The war was not over slavery. "


It was 100% about slavery.

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it was about big government overreach. period.

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Jan 20, 2023, 11:27 AM

and in that regard, they were 100% correct to do what they did, as we need to do now. This current government we have now has far exceeded the power it was ever intended to have.

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that is what a 3 branch, representative government is


Jan 20, 2023, 11:54 AM

It would work the same way even if South Carolina succeeded and created their own nation.

The people in Columbia, MB, and Charleston would make the decisions and some 1 in Pickens county would be on a message board wanted to succeed from South Carolina. Then people in Walhalla would be on some board wanted to succeed from Pickens Country's.

there will always be a debate on who has the authority to do what.

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Jan 20, 2023, 4:47 PM

I am embarrassed at the number of supposed Clemson Graduates that in error used succeed and succeeded when the correct words are secede and seceded.

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I too am embarrassed...

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Jan 20, 2023, 4:52 PM

although there does seem to be some presidents for this.

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Good Lord, you are missing the plot

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Jan 21, 2023, 9:42 AM [ in reply to that is what a 3 branch, representative government is ]

Of course, populations are bigger in cities, so they will dictate things, but the balance of power would be far more palatable, because in different states in different regions, the people in the city, how far more in common with the rural population than the way things are currently.

Also, the reason the founding fathers gave the vast majority of power to the states, and not the federal government is because it keeps centralized government out of peoples lives. Centralized government is far easier to corrupt. I could write all day explaining this to you. There are dozens of reasons why you’re missing the point. Dozens of reasons of why we would be far better off than the current system.

For example, you wouldn’t have a handful of big cities controlled by progressives telling everyone else how to live their lives. In 2016, Donald Trump won 86 percent of the counties in America.

Most of the people in San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, New York, have almost nothing in common with people in Greenville, Columbia, Charleston. The people in Greenville, Columbia, Charleston have far more in common with the people in rural communities, because they share the same culture, values, religion, etc.

What we have now is not what the founding fathers intended. The vast majority of what the federal government does today is unconstitutional. Corruption is far easier and far more damaging on a national level, than a state and local level. Big corporations, and money have far more influence at the national level than the state and local level. there are also term limits at the state and local level whereas they are not at the national level. Again I could go on and on and on.

And probably the biggest benefit would be more people would move and relocate to be in a state or a region that best suited their values their culture their history. People used to move around the country far more 50 years ago than today, which is odd because it’s actually easier to move today than ever. People say it’s not as easy economically but that’s simply not true. It’s far easier for people to move around today than at any point in the past.

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No, it was not.

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Jan 21, 2023, 9:33 AM [ in reply to not 100% accurate ]

You are confusing succession with the Civil War. They are not the same thing. They are mutually exclusive. Succession was largely about slavery. The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. It was about forcing the south back into the union. Abraham Lincoln basically said that in his letter to Horace Greeley. Google Abraham Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greeley. You will see where Lincoln wrote “if I can win the war and not free a single slave I will!” Does that sound like a war being fought over slavery to you?

Also, the emancipation proclamation was two years after the war started. If the war was about slavery, it would’ve been at the very beginning. Lincoln wrote the emancipation proclamation to try and cause a slave revolt, which would upset the supply lines for the southern armies. And oh, by the way, the emancipation proclamation freed exactly 0 slaves. my black history teacher in high school taught me that. Lincoln only freed slaves in the confederacy where he had no authority. The five or six states that had slaves but did not secede We’re still legally allowed to own slaves.

So how can the war be about slavery when Lincoln himself allowed legal slavery in states that were still part of the United States following the emancipation proclamation?

You have been brainwashed by propaganda. You have been brainwashed by revisionist history for the purpose of identity politics.

This is an anything new. Academics and historians have written about this for years. They twist them selves into pretzels, rationalizing and justifying all of the things that Lincoln did that were illegal and unconstitutional because they said it was worth it. The ends justify the means. But it wasn’t to free the slaves. It was to force the south back into the union. Despite the fact that the south and every other state had the right to secede if they wanted to.

If Lincoln thought he had the moral authority, and if it really was about ending slavery, he simply would’ve marched the US army into the south. People up north did not want a war. People up north were not more morally virtuous than the south. They had no interest in going to war to free a bunch of slaves. They didn’t care. The only reason slavery ended up north is because of economics. Where do you think the term slave wages comes from?

Slaves were very expensive. And when you owned a slave, you had to feed it, clothe it, provide it with shelter, healthcare, etc. etc. Whereas up north immigrants would work for pennies a day and still had to pay for their own housing, healthcare, food, etc. etc. The south could not do that because all the immigrants came into America through northern ports. also European immigrants did not want to work in the south because most of Europe has a climate more like the north. They don’t have the heat and humidity of the south. That’s why Africans were used as slaves, not because of race schism. The original slaves were Europeans, but they couldn’t handle the heat and humidity, and they did not have natural immunity against malaria, which Africans dead. Slavery had nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with economics. And that has always been the case and Thomas Sowell has written several books about it. And if you don’t know who he is, you’re vastly uneducated and you should Google him immediately.

Slavery was actually on the way out. Mechanization was going to end slavery in another 20 or 30 years. Others have also pointed out. It would’ve been cheaper for the government to simply buy the slaves and subsidize their salaries. But this was not about slavery!

You do know that America didn’t invent slavery. It has existed as long as mankind has been on the face of the earth. And it probably will be because it still goes on in most of the world. America is the only country where violence was involved in ending slavery legally. it was actually the Europeans and white people that ended slavery first. The African slave trade continued for a few more decades in central and South America after the Civil War. In fact, the overwhelming majority of slaves didn’t come to America, but to the Caribbean, Central America, and South America. But again you have been brainwashed by revisionist history and propaganda.

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Re: This history is right on the money…


Jan 20, 2023, 8:07 PM [ in reply to This history is right on the money… ]

None of you really thought that most of them were student athletes...fans were morally bankrupt for allowing their university to entertain thugs and criminals while letting them play football until they went to the NFL or a correctional facility...at least Dabo is trying to do things right!

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Re: The south did succeed from the union.

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Jan 20, 2023, 9:43 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

That’s a whole lot of gibberish…but even if it were true, the country is no longer divided as much by state as it is rural vs. urban…good luck splitting that up. As for the ‘civil war’…my GGGGF fought for the south but I’m #### glad he lost.

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Jan 20, 2023, 10:21 AM

Well, we will just have to disagree on the right to secede part (more like a revolution which was squashed by the Feds)…but do you deny the rest…urban vs rural…good thing that the south lost the war?

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Jan 20, 2023, 11:34 AM

Slavery would have eventually come to and end regardless. As for the secession part, I fully support, as I fully support doing so now. Why the hell should 2 polar opposite ideologies be forced to live under the absurd guise of "unity" that doesnt exist in any real sense? Why should one side get to dictate how the other should live? The whole "melting pot" idea was doomed to fail from the get-go. There is a reason like minded people coalesce. Yes, on the whole, urban areas overwhelmingly vote left. But all you have to do is run the demographics to understand why that is.

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Jan 20, 2023, 12:19 PM

some of the people all the time

but you will never please all of the people all of the time"


I probably messed up the saying but it is one of the few absolute truths i've leaned in my life.

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Jan 21, 2023, 8:14 AM [ in reply to Re: You being butthvrt doesn't change reality.*** ]

The correct writing in 1776 should have been The United STATES of America. Much like The 2nd Amendment should have read “ The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

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it's true and Easy to find. Lincoln took a lot of


Jan 20, 2023, 11:29 AM [ in reply to Re: The south did succeed from the union. ]

liberty with his executive authority during the war. So did Jackson, Wilson and Roosevelt.


No 1 mentions it because no 1 wants to imply that the eventual abolishment of slavery was a bad thing or shouldn't have happened.

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You’re wrong on both points. .


Jan 21, 2023, 9:47 AM [ in reply to Re: The south did succeed from the union. ]

It’s not about rural versus urban. It’s about rich elites versus everyone else. Also, America would be far better off had the south won the war.

You have progressives today talking about succession. America has always been divided and polarized. We have had brief periods of unity, but that is the exception not the norm.

We are 50 individual states being controlled by an authoritarian central government, which is exactly what the founding fathers came to America and created America to prevent and why they wrote the constitution the way they did. Almost everything the federal government does is unconstitutional. And Lincoln was the biggest abuser of the constitution in American history. The Democrats and progressives drool over the type of authoritarianism Lincoln exercised.

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Re: The south did succeed from the union.


Jan 20, 2023, 10:21 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

The absolute truth!

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Re: The south did succeed from the union.


Jan 22, 2023, 4:34 AM

The word is secede, not succeed

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Wilson did he same.. so did FDR***


Jan 20, 2023, 11:10 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]



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A lot of truth there, but there would have been no war w/out


Jan 20, 2023, 11:48 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

slavery. Just read the SC Declaration of Succession:


https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/historic-document-library/detail/south-carolina-declaration-of-secession-1860


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Not taking a history lesson from someone who doesn’t know

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Jan 20, 2023, 7:59 PM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

the difference between secede and succeed.

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Really?


Jan 21, 2023, 12:44 AM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

I have lived in CA for 30 years and have yet to hear anyone talk about seceding. And I know a lot of people.

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Re: Really?


Jan 22, 2023, 7:22 PM

Why would anyone in Ca want to secede from the Union? Ca gets whatever it wants from Feds. Ca is the poster child for the socialist movement. An earlier poster said correctly that the middle class is fleeing Ca, which is exactly what liberal elites want to happen there as well as in the rest of the US. The middle class is the backbone of this nation and destroying it is what the elite class wants.

Wanna know what this country will look like if they get their way? Go watch “Hunger Games”

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A. The word is secede; you got it wrong like 9 times


Jan 21, 2023, 5:22 PM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

B. Please cancel your internet access and make the world a better place.

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Our founders…


Jan 21, 2023, 6:07 PM [ in reply to The south did succeed from the union. ]

would have never been in favor of the overreaching, corrupt, foreign-influenced federal government that exists in the USA today. They would be aghast to know how utterly bereft of character and integrity our leadership has become… at the federal AND state level. And that’s a reflection of the people in American society, or if you prefer, “the community.”

There are no more true statesmen. We are herded by corrupt thieves who have totally sold this country out to foreign interests… mainly the Chinese.

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:20 PM

Season tickets are now $50k for the nosebleeds and Bud Light is $10/bottle in grocery stores. But don’t worry, they are going to give $5M to every African American in the state, so at least some can afford it…gotta love Cali

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So do the players have to pay to use the stadium and other facilities?

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:32 PM



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That is illegal to force so that ain't going no where***

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:36 PM

That bill will fit in nicely in the not a snowballs chance category.

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:40 PM

Will they also share 50% of bills across all sports and university facilities/faculties?

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:42 PM

Yeah college athletics would die very rapidly if that passed so I don't see it passing. That's just poor business.

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Jan 19, 2023, 8:09 PM

Do not rule out California doing something that will kill businesses or just plain lead to “unfavorable” unintended consequences. They take pride in their new unofficial state motto; “We’re not smart and you can’t make us!”

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:48 PM

1. Is it possible to make a pool of money out of bowl money and playoff money and run college football on that money? Look seriously at all the people making tons of off these events and cut it back. From that pool a school finances scholarships and NIL MONEY.

2. Let the accountants determine an algorithm to determine $$ school receives. Factors: win/loss record, cost of scholarships and APR.

3. Let the accountants determine an algorithm to establish NIL payments that are run through a central entity, much like Eligibility Center. Factors: number of years played, academic eligibility, games played, conference and national awards.

This is far-fetched and maybe stupid, but NIL $ has got to be regulated. Also, NIL money needs to go to all players, and not just high profile. The bowls and playoff money could finance it. But we need to get people out of this who are getting rich off these events while my lineman will suffer as an adult with physical ailments.

I’m tired of the kids losing out.

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:28 PM

I wish I had a free education and got to live like a king around campus.

That being said they deserve real NIL money, but NIL tied with the transfer portal is annual free agency.

The NFLPA would love to have this model.

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The NCAA caused this problem by doing nothing as usual

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Jan 20, 2023, 12:01 AM

Of course, they love inserting themselves into progressive politics, and forcing their politics on individual states who legally pass laws that they don’t like.

Finally, the Supreme Court got involved and very very stupidly said that student athletes are part of A free market. But that is absolute nonsense. There is no free market for athletes. College athletics and all professional sports are basic monopolies. There is no market outside of these leagues.

I agree with NIL in principle. What it should have been, and what the NCAA should have done, is allow athletes to get a RAW tee off of jerseys or other things, sold with her name on them, and be paid royalties for things like video games, which is really watch started all of this. Is allow athletes to get a royalties off jerseys or other official items sold with their name on them, and be paid royalties for things like video games, which is really what started all of this. It was never intended to be what it is at the current time.

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RAW tee? Errrrr royalty


Jan 20, 2023, 9:45 AM

I really hate auto correct. Even when you manually edit, which I did, auto correct will still change things sometimes.

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Jan 20, 2023, 7:00 AM [ in reply to Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports ]

Never liked the idea of paying amateurs and still don't. This debacle is the direct result of politicians playing games and people with a greed for the moment mentality. None of this teaches these kids anything except for their entitlement. They dont learn anything about what it takes to run any of these programs; if this were somehow tied into teaching them business, give them some sort of educational basis, maybe i could accept it.


These kids go to school for an education. As we all know, most kids (97+%) dont make any sort of professional team. Most football players dont last more than a few years and are left with physical hardship for the rest of their lives. They need the education in order to survive.

If the idea of paying the players is the overriding factor, let the NFL develop its own minor league, or drop the 3 year ban. Then they can be paid. It will take away some of the good ones away, but I believe that a lot of them would still play in college.

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Jan 20, 2023, 12:12 AM [ in reply to Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports ]

NIL belongs to the individual student. It is their name, image and likeness they are being compensated for. You cannot pool it, that would be illegal and shot down by the courts.

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Jan 20, 2023, 7:36 AM [ in reply to Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports ]

Don’t attend…..save your money.

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Jan 19, 2023, 7:58 PM

The only thing sharing 50% of the revenue would do is eliminate most collegiate athletics since most athletic departments don't turn a profit as it is. Forcing them to give up 50% of their revenue would be a death sentence, not that the left wing kooks in California would care for one second if college athletics ceased to exist. I mean if people ####ing in the street, or stealing everyone blind, doesn't bother them, why would this?

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:51 PM

You get it. Force Universities to share 50% with athletes and we will see the total number of athletes drop to nearly none. At all. They’ve proven they cannot think out there over and over.

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If this were to pass the NCAA has a card they could play if

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Jan 19, 2023, 8:08 PM

they have the guts... Simply state that any athlete that receives a revenue sharing or other pay for play salary from the college is ineligible to participate in NCAA competition. Any team that plays a pay for play athlete during competition will be in violation of this rule which will result in that team forfeiting the game with a recorded loss.

The NCAA wouldn't be telling California they can't pay their players but simply that if they play one of these players in competition it is a violation of NCAA league play rules with associated penalties. This would force California schools to either stop the pay for play scheme or leave the NCAA all together. Of course the NCAA is a bunch of ball-less wonders so they would never lay down a gauntlet such as this...

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This is exactly what I suggested they do when Cali made NIL a legal right.

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:45 PM

All the NCAA should have done was say that’s fine…schools that have a player take money can’t play them in an NCAA event. Carve out the California schools and away we go.

Yes…99% chance the whole thing would have come crashing down, but effectively that has happened anyway.

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Jan 19, 2023, 8:15 PM

So would womens sports have to pay back money to the universities since they make $0?

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LOL, I bet the B1G is happy they are getting


Jan 19, 2023, 8:34 PM

usc and ucla. :)

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:46 PM

They started all this crap with NIL too. #theyrecomingforyourfootball

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:17 PM

I think most folks made their mind up after reading the word California.

Personally, I think there are some decent ideas in the article’s proposal. This completely unregulated NIL era is awful for the sport and the NCAA will naturally try to keep every dollar out of the athletes’ hands that they can.

I’m all for new ideas that will change what we have now. (Maybe if we were benefiting from the transfer portal and had the biggest NIL war chest I’d sing a different tune)

The key issue in the proposal isn’t breaking off some change for the players, $25k per year doesn’t go far these days, but the part about not considering athletes employees of the universities has the most legal ramifications.

I’m a happy East Coast transplant in San Diego, but the one thing I’ll agree with everyone on is that LA definitely sucks.

Go Tigers!

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:24 PM

That is what you get when Democrats are in control.

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It's their state and their colleges.

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:38 PM

They are not going to keep the better players because the unions will demand equal pay for all athletes. That means their 5 star QB and...will be bring in the same money as the third string women's volleyball players.

The players looking for a payday will leave the state.

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Right. Then no one will watch…

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Jan 20, 2023, 6:00 AM

So the revenue will dry up…
And there won’t be anything to share with the third string volleyball player anyway!

LOL gotta love it.

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Re: It's their state and their colleges.


Jan 20, 2023, 10:14 AM [ in reply to It's their state and their colleges. ]

Socialism at its finest.

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Just for giggles I decided to read the article attached

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Jan 20, 2023, 6:35 AM

And it’s not really 50% of athletic revenue it really only around 18%. And there is an option written in for schools that do not make a profit, they aren’t expected to pay athletes anything beyond scholarships unless they have a increase in revenue.

The bill also has propositions that would neuter NIL which I like.

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Jan 20, 2023, 6:37 AM

This is where it’s all headed. Unionized and having revenue sharing like the NFL. The issue for the players is that it doesn’t create a lot of $ for them because there is so many of them compared to the NFL. The amount of $ per player across the board will be minimal
due to the number of players across the country. Add in Title lX and that complicates the issue even more as athletic departments depend on football and basketball revenue to run tte rest of the sports. This would kill the university’s but do little for the participants iah!!!

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Jan 20, 2023, 6:42 AM

California and the Commie Coast is trying its best to break the entire nation.

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports


Jan 20, 2023, 7:33 AM

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-labor-board-region-sides-with-usc-athletes-seeking-employee-designation-2022-12-16/


This article is from last month. The US labor board region sided with USC athletes seeking employee designation. I believe that before long, we will see unionized players on college football teams.

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Jan 20, 2023, 7:41 AM

So instead of the little messages on the back of the helmet like unity or change we will see Local 309 - oh yeah let me pay $20 to park and $115 for a ticket to yell for Local 309!! GTFOH it’s all going away in less than a decade and there won’t be anything left but a smoldering crater.

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Lincoln Riley will be out of California faster than you can


Jan 20, 2023, 8:27 AM

say SHAZAAM if that crap passes into law.

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I'm all for kicking them out of the Union

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Jan 20, 2023, 8:55 AM

Seriously.

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Jan 20, 2023, 8:57 AM

i love this so much

the people fueling the industry are finally getting what they are owed

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LOL. Oh goodie, another commie troll for the board.***

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports


Jan 20, 2023, 9:09 AM

Don't know how this will work out because most university athletic programs operate on even or even in the red. The link shows the average ACC Schools operate by about 1 million in the black and the SEC average operates on about 9 million in the black. So even with all of the corporate money, conference money, etc. Most athletic programs do not thrive financially. to take it further and NFL teams revenues per year are in the 500 million dollar range where as even the sec (the richest conference) the average programs revenue (this encompasses all sports) is a little over 117 million. As the op said there will have to be a major shift in college athletics marketing to increase revenue and profits to pay these athletes 50%. You can even see it starting at specific schools with stadium names, UK football stadium is Kroger field or something. Clemson over the last 4 or 5 years has even started putting advertisements on the bricks around the stadium, i think Geico and a few others. The government just throws as much #### on the wall they can and hopes some sticks, planning and resources be ######.

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2022/12/2021-acc-vs-sec-revenues-and-expenses.html


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Jan 20, 2023, 9:23 AM

Maybe they could pass the bill for state schools, but doubt that it would apply to private institutions like Stanford. That would be equivalent of them passing a law requiring businesses to pay their employees half of the profit. Regardless, I don't think this bill will see the light of day ....... but it is California we are talking about.

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports


Jan 20, 2023, 12:15 PM

Simple solution, don't make any money from it.

What this really is is the harbinger of the death of brick and mortar schools along with thier sports programs For most college degrees, they don't teach you anything you cannot learn yourself by going online.

The alternative spring and fall fooball leagues eventually will push college fooball into the background of meaninglessness.

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Jan 20, 2023, 7:39 PM

Will the women’s athletes share 50% of the debt incurred to keep their sports going?

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Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 AM

Maybe kick all California schools out of NCAA.

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Re: Welp California is really about to break College sports


Jan 21, 2023, 5:50 PM

Keep California schools out of NCAA. They can start their own PROFESSIONAL league for ATHLETES who go to college or not. Let NCAA be for STUDENT- athletes.

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Jan 22, 2023, 6:36 AM

This is California's way to tax the college football money. This way they can tax the players since they can't tax the schools. So if I self identify as female and walk on the women's track team to throw the shotput I would receive the same compensation as Caleb Williams? So now Caleb goes to Georgia and all of the athletes in CA make less because USC doesn't get on TV as much or in a major bowl game. Sounds like a great business plan.

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3rd time


Jan 22, 2023, 8:59 PM

3rd time this bill has come up. Suspect this version will go the same place the 1st two did - nowhere.

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