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Thinking about this team...


Sep 3, 2012, 1:33 AM

I have no idea how this team's record will end up. I have a hunch Dabo and crew have them poised to make a nice run this year, potentially repeating as conference champs and maybe even making some noise on the national scene despite some inexperience and lack of depth along the OL/DL/DB depth charts. But I have to say I am very proud right now of this program.

I know there are a growing number on TNet that seem to snarl orget frustrated when anyone posts with regard to faith. I understand that. So many people try to force feed religion down the throats of others. But I also believe that Christians are entitled to their opinions and as a follower of Christ I know that we should be confident (not arrogant) in our Biblical worldview. And it is as a follower of Christ that I am most excited and proud of this team.

People are people, and who knows if everyone around this program who is seemingly reping Jesus is authentic, but the unapologetic confidence in faith in God that seems to be the foundation on which our football program (at least internally) operates is inspiring. To hear Corico's humility in his personal story of dealing his relationship with his dad, players thanking God for how blessed they are (and not the usual brand of athletic pompous pulling of the God-card, but genuine gracious thanks), the familial atmosphere of the coaching staff that is pulling in recruits as they see that not only coaching but mentorship is happening at CU, and today seeing Jeff Scott tweet a picture of Nuk being baptized on the practice fields in a therapy tub in front of his teammates is amazing today. It is countercultural, revolutionary in today's America that would relegate Christianity to keep its mouth shut and sit at the back of the room.

So I am proud of this team: for what they seem to be representing, for their seeming focus on growing men and not just football players, for their determination to glorify God. I am proud of the way they played, fought, and won, but much more so because of the Biblical virtue and character they put on display for a watching world on national television.

If posting this makes you uncomfortable or ruffles feathers, then so be it. I am humbled that the blood of Jesus saves me and all who put their faith in Him, And I am happy to be an alumni and former player at Clemson.

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Re: Thinking about this team...


Sep 3, 2012, 1:47 AM

Well said!

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Re: Thinking about this team...


Sep 4, 2012, 12:25 PM



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Very nice, I agree whole heartedly. Dabo and Co.


Sep 3, 2012, 2:54 AM

are doing it right. I know you won't care (i wouldn't either), but be prepared to take some heat when the day crowd logs on.

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Re: Thinking about this team...


Sep 3, 2012, 6:02 AM

It's one of the things which make it good to be a Clemson fan.

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Agreed.......And I was proud of both teams Sat night


Sep 3, 2012, 6:23 AM

after the game when, together, they knelt and bowed in prayer.

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Re: Agreed.......And I was proud of both teams Sat night


Sep 3, 2012, 6:47 AM

I agree thoroughly with your post. I believe this team is seated strongly in it's Christian faith. I also believe that our coach's and player's public display of their faith has been very positive for recruiting and our family atmosphere at Clemson.

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Jesus said to go into your closet and pray.***


Sep 3, 2012, 9:57 AM [ in reply to Agreed.......And I was proud of both teams Sat night ]



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Re: Jesus said to go into your closet and pray.***


Sep 3, 2012, 3:12 PM

That is not what Jesus meant, remember context. Jesus was saying not to boast in your prayer to get folks to look at you. Like the pharisee's did, when they wanted people to hear their prayer to boost themselves. Be humble in prayer. Paul called on many to pray during church, just as we do today as we call on dismissal prayer and before church

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Jesus was being critical of the Pharisees


Sep 4, 2012, 8:47 AM [ in reply to Jesus said to go into your closet and pray.*** ]

who prayed at specific times during the day. Often they would arrange to be in very public places at prayer time in a premeditated show of religiosity. Jesus was critical of such cynical and hypocritical displays orchestrated to earn the praise of others. He never intended for Christians to refrain from genuine, heartfelt times of prayer in public. Indeed, Jesus himself prayed publicly numerous times in the scriptures. There is nothing wrong with teams coming together (in an unmandated manner) to give thanks to their God. The driving of Christianity from the public sphere has been one of the most deleterious developments in our increasingly anti-Christian society.

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Yawn.....***


Sep 3, 2012, 7:25 AM



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Huzzah! Well said!***


Sep 3, 2012, 7:30 AM



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Re: Thinking about this team...


Sep 3, 2012, 7:43 AM

I have no problem,whatsoever,with your post,or with your faith.My faith is also rooted in Christianity.I just feel my faith is something between God,my Savior and me.I won't apologize for that,and neither should you.
My problem,when it comes to this team,is with this fan base who thinks we should be playing for the National Championship every year,or who think we are going to go undefeated just" BECAUSE WE ARE CLEMSON"
Clemson is ranked# 14 in the country as we speak.The coots are # 9.No way,imo,is USC the 9th best team,nor is Clemson the 14th best in the country.
And I base that on one simple fact.Only one game has been played so far.
Looking at our schedule,and our talent,I can see Clemson having a good season.
But it is way too early to be talking about making some noise on the national scene when you have road games at FSU,Boston College, and a Thursday nite game at Wake(when was the last time Clemson won a Thursday nite contest).Add to that two games at home (back to back) against the two best teams in the Coastal).
And lets not forget Maryland and N.C.State.Both games are at home,which is good,but can you remember the last time we beat both teams in the same season.
And to add icing to the cake we currently have a three game losing streak to that afore mentioned # 9 team in the country.
I hope you are seeing where I am coming from .I too was proud,and happy with the way we played,and won.And seeing the players from both sides kneeling in prayer shows me that there is a higher presence in God.
But God is neutral,and if Dabo and company don't prepare for Ball State,well just ask Michigan what Appalachian State did to them several seasons back.
I too am not here to ruffle feathers,but the great teams don't look ahead.I only wish this fan base would do the same.

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Well, you did an excellent job of listing all the negatives


Sep 3, 2012, 8:03 AM

for our immediate future. I guess I will need to temper my enthusiasm since there is no way we overcome all that history. I just might cry in my cornflakes as I finish breakfast.

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Re: Well, you did an excellent job of listing all the negatives


Sep 3, 2012, 8:12 AM

I didn't list all of the negatives.I just listed the facts.

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Re: Well, you did an excellent job of listing all the negatives


Sep 3, 2012, 8:23 AM

Then please don't add to the list. Before Saturday, you probably had the one about not winning in Atlanta on the list and it did not hurt us. There are always things in the past that are a pattern, but those don't have to continue under current conditions. Losing 3 in a row to the coots is a fact but will not cause the same thing this year - if we lose again , it won't be because of last year or the year before.

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While i don't always agree with leftie...


Sep 3, 2012, 8:54 AM

I agree we should not get ahead of ourselves. Lots of talented teams yet to play. Yet to see how good we really are. I don't think Auburn is all that good, but for the first game, and first defensive game a tCU for Venables, I was happy!

Go Tigers!

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Re: While i don't always agree with leftie...


Sep 3, 2012, 9:16 AM

Hey Tiger8693,I too was happy.I was also drained.That was a tough game.
My only thing is that Clemson's past history serves only to make me cautiously optomistic.
I want to win as much as the next guy,but too many TigerNeters look at Satursday's night win thru Orange colored glasses.
IMO,in the past decade Clemson has set only one parttern.They have underachieved.Bowden was 7-2 against USC,but never won the conference.Dabo has one the conference title,played in for another ,but since winning his first coot game ,has lost 3 in a row.
That is what I am trying to get at here,but apparently it ain't working.
For argument sake,lets say we overlook both Ball State,and Furman,still win the games on talent,but spend the next two weeks preparing for FSU,then go down to Tallahassee and drop an egg.Ok,we might be 3-1 but somebody on this board will be calling for Dabo's head.
Clemson is a good football team,but because they are not a great team yet,my expectations are confinded to the next game.I look at this season,last season,next season as a one game season.Some folks on here think Clemson should be undefeated and playing for the National Title just because they are Clemson.Then when things don't quite go they way they think they should,they want to fire the Head Coach.

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OK, leftie...


Sep 3, 2012, 9:29 AM

Don;t take it too far. We JUST won (not one), and i am glad to celebrate it. I dust think it was the first game, and it is hard to discern much. There were a number of missed coverages, and a few long runs that we gave away. It was a good, hard fought game.

If we continue to play with that kind of heart, we have a chance to go back to the ACCCG I believe. Need to get through the next two unhurt, and prepare like hell for the FSU game. As for the Coots, I am not worried about that. They will fall back in line soon enough. Dabo has my vote for the next years with his recruiting of both players and coaches....

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Guess that's one way to look at it


Sep 3, 2012, 9:55 AM [ in reply to Re: Thinking about this team... ]

The other is that this schedule sets up about as good as any you're gonna get. We only have 1 tough true road game (FSU) and all our other tough games are in the Valley. Our easiest games are our road games. You can twist and spin it however you want, but BC, Wake, and Duke aren't good teams and we won't have a bit of trouble with them, I don't care what you say! The Ball St comment made me chuckle though so thanks for that!

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Well, when it comes to God and human pursuits,


Sep 3, 2012, 1:42 PM [ in reply to Re: Thinking about this team... ]

make no mistake that God is at work and does want to work through His willing servants.

You said:

But God is neutral,and if Dabo and company don't prepare for Ball State,well just ask Michigan what Appalachian State did to them several seasons back.

God makes it clear that hard, honest work is important and expected. The Bible gives much practical advice regarding the benefits of such hard, honest work. Proverbs is full of it. On the other hand, others (i.e., other teams) also could be putting in hard, honest work. And I put an emphasis on "honest." Deceit sometimes appears to win, but, in the long run, it won't.

That gets to God's blessings. Does He care about who wins football games? Frankly, He cares about the souls of man, but He designed us all with talents and gifts, understanding that His followers are in the world, doing hard, honest work...and should be pursuing His will and purpose. Is Dabo doing that? It certainly appears so. And God will bless those who obey Him. Does that equate to undefeated seasons and national championships? If God so desires, yes. But, as Isaiah 55:8 states,

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

There will be blessings, but those blessings may not be man's interpretation of what those should be. And make no mistake: Those blessings, whatever they may be, are superior to what we think we need. On the other hand:

Most, if not all, of the Christian community has no doubt that God blessed America because America as a country at one time honored Him...and that our troubles now, brought upon us by selfish, unbiblical behavior...are a result by not honoring God and His truths and practical instruction.

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I do not think God is neutral.


Sep 4, 2012, 8:53 AM [ in reply to Re: Thinking about this team... ]

God is sovereign. If he indeed rules sovereignly, then nothing happens apart from his divine will. It is called the doctrine of meticulous providence and it means that nothing happens by "chance", or "luck". That is why we pray. Now, does that mean that a football game is the most important thing on God's agenda? Probably not, but then most of the things we think are important are probably trivial in the grand scheme of things. My point is that there are no small issues to God. If it is important to a bunch of 19 year old kids, it is important to God.

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It does bother me that this is a public institution, and


Sep 3, 2012, 7:52 AM

while I as a resident assistant was not allowed to put gender specific door decals up in my resident halls on the offchance someone wouldn't "identify" with their respective gender, but Dabo & Co. can basically do whatever they want in regards to their faith including using team busses to take players to Church. I was told flat out by Clemson Housing that they don't want us to be too forward in our faith in case of offending someone in our hall and "ruining potential relationships". One of my professors gave a link to his personal website and felt the need to warn us that a small link in it included his testimony in case some of us were uncomfortable in hearing about our professors faith.

Its imbalances like that at Clemson University that were one of the reasons I chose not to return as an RA and move off-campus. I have no issue if Clemson wants to allow our faculty/staff to take Christian overtones in most things they do. However, allowing our coaches to do it while putting a stranglehold on everyone else is at the very least frustrating for those of us with faith that work at Clemson in a non-football role, and it almost gives the illusion that Christian values only belong at Clemson if they make our University money and get us recruits.

If Clemson wants to be secular(which the Housing/Academic department apparently want to be) it should be secular across the board. If Clemson believes that what our coaches are doing in regards to their faith is perfectly acceptable, then that should be allowed across the board too, including in jobs held by students... perhaps most importantly in jobs held by students.

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one ®'er doesn't believe student employees and professors


Sep 3, 2012, 8:49 AM

Should get the same religious freedoms that our highly visible coaching staff does I guess.

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I'd pray about it.


Sep 3, 2012, 9:04 AM [ in reply to It does bother me that this is a public institution, and ]

I've found when it seems I lose all control over things in my life that's when God's Will, Glory, Power and Grace are most prevalent, for faith is not always changing things sometimes it's just believing and accepting that God still occupies His Throne and exercises His Will.

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what is a "gender specific door decal"...never heard of that***


Sep 3, 2012, 10:06 AM [ in reply to It does bother me that this is a public institution, and ]



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Male superheroes for male door name tags, female superheroes


Sep 3, 2012, 10:17 AM

for female door name tags.... Clemson Housing is of the opinion that would offend someone if they got a Male superhero because they were genetically a boy but wished they were a girl and dressed in drag. later in the semester people generally ignored the guidelines, but they were adamant that door decals be androgynous when residents moved in.

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Wow. That is unbelieveable.***


Sep 3, 2012, 10:54 AM



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Political correctness is going to kill this country...


Sep 3, 2012, 11:04 AM [ in reply to Male superheroes for male door name tags, female superheroes ]

Nobody is going to be allowed to have an opinion, much less speak it, because it might "offend" somebody.

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honestly, I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I'm not


Sep 3, 2012, 2:59 PM [ in reply to Male superheroes for male door name tags, female superheroes ]

following you at all. Are you saying that you lived in a co-ed dorm and wanted to identify male/female rooms with pics of superheros on the doors? For ex, Superman for guy rooms and Wonder Woman for the ladies?

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A drunk will run a STOP sign, but a stoner will wait for it to turn green.


Yeah something like that


Sep 3, 2012, 3:08 PM

you are required to put name tags with some kind of decoration on them.

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Re: Thinking about this team...


Sep 3, 2012, 7:54 AM

Amen.

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Of course, I want us to win ball games, but not at the


Sep 3, 2012, 7:54 AM

expense of honor, integrity and humility, and I believe that is what our coaching staff led by Coach Swinney is attempting to teach. I have learned during my long life to be accountable for my own beliefs and practices, while refraining from being judgmental of others for theirs. Whether a man professes or has a lack of religion is a matter of personal choice, and I believe it is my duty to acknowledge his right to that choice and to attend to my own. I have been very fortunate to have known many people from all walks of life over the years, to have travelled across our nation and into many foreign lands and to have had the honor of serving our nation in the uniform of our Armed Services, and I have developed a core belief that the greatest asset that we have is other people. And as I have aged and had to come to terms with my own mortality, I have come to realize that life is too short to engage in bitterness, strife and enmity with others, for in the long run we will return to the earth in the same manner. It just so happens that my upbringing and life have been of the Christian faith, but I accept the fact that others differ and I would defend their right to that difference. Thus, if any man chooses to profess a faith, then I will respect him for his choice while, also, respecting another who chooses elsewise.

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Re: Of course, I want us to win ball games, but not at the


Sep 3, 2012, 8:14 AM

Among the guys I took deer hunting last season were 3 Baptist ministers, a self-proclaimed atheist(who has been known to make comments to put down Christian groups),1 coot relative, and an FSU fan. The only one I had a problem was the coot. BTW 65 ain't a long life so stick around a while longer.

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You are a rock...certainly much braver than I. I like to


Sep 3, 2012, 8:20 AM

tell others that I am a 65-year-old, and that I probably don't have any more than 40 or 50 years left, so I've got to figure out what to do next! LOL

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My preacher was pointing out yesterday how we are not


Sep 3, 2012, 8:28 AM

guaranteed even the next minute and asked people to raise their hand if they had one week left on earth. He added to it gradually by 10 years and nobody raised their hand until he got to 60 years . At that time, the 75 year-old-guy that I hunt with raised his hand to a chorus of Hallelujuhs.

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Re: Thinking about this team...


Sep 3, 2012, 7:55 AM

I agree and this post in no way makes me uncomfortable. I love the type players we are bringing in at Clemson. Keep up the good work and God bless.

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Re: Thinking about this team...


Sep 3, 2012, 8:04 AM

I have to give you a thumbs up for this post, brother.

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Great post! Agree with you wholeheartedly!***


Sep 3, 2012, 8:21 AM



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Christianity is countercultural....


Sep 3, 2012, 9:10 AM

Good grief you people are delusional.

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So, countercultural," is antichrist?


Sep 3, 2012, 9:24 AM

Shouldn't there be a 666 somewhere in there? j/k

Christianity has always been counter-cultural. I think that's part of what got Him crucified. n/k

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Christ was indeed countercultural. Christianity, however..


Sep 3, 2012, 10:06 AM

... is, at least for western civilization, THE culture.

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Re: Christ was indeed countercultural. Christianity, however..


Sep 3, 2012, 11:09 AM

For contemporary Western culture, Christianity is no longer THE culture. At best it is one of many competing worldviews, but what is bedrock for western culture unfortunately is naturalism.

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Naturalism? Lol, what that it were!***


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I think people feel this way because of the


Sep 3, 2012, 11:32 AM [ in reply to Re: Christ was indeed countercultural. Christianity, however.. ]

belief that so many people have... they think they're Christian because they're Southern or because they have always gone to church or because they've heard about or know about Jesus. Fact is that too many people that claim Christianity don't look that much different from culture... divorce rates, adultery, fornication, children out of wedlock, gluttony, sexual and physical abuse, etc 'in the church' looks so much like what's going on outside of it.

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Re: I think people feel this way because of the


Sep 3, 2012, 12:56 PM

I agree. The claims people make against Christians in America are largely true. I know I have my hypocritical moments. But I'm trying to live more and more authentically for the LORD, and to correct the oversteer that naturalism has created in the West.

Anyway, this has turned into a stream of philosophical thought from looking at everyone's responses (which I am more than happy to entertain) but I just wanted to state my thoughts about how proud it makes me feel to see this program's leaders representing faith in Christ so boldly.

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Yes, very brave of them to stand with the 85%.***


Sep 3, 2012, 1:13 PM



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Re: Yes, very brave of them to stand with the 85%.***


Sep 3, 2012, 4:30 PM

Yeah,... cause that's what they are doing

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Re: Yes, very brave of them to stand with the 85%.***


Sep 4, 2012, 12:20 PM [ in reply to Yes, very brave of them to stand with the 85%.*** ]

If 85% of people in America were actually Christians rather than people that called themselves Christians, this country wouldn't have a lot of problems it has today.

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Delusional.***


Sep 3, 2012, 12:45 PM [ in reply to Re: Christ was indeed countercultural. Christianity, however.. ]



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Re: Denying his faith***


Sep 3, 2012, 12:49 PM



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Way to early to be that far into a bottle***


Sep 3, 2012, 12:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Christ was indeed countercultural. Christianity, however.. ]



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Re: Way to early to be that far into a bottle***


Sep 3, 2012, 4:32 PM

Good to see that hateful name-callers show up. Don't injury your thumbs taking jabs behind your computers.

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Great post - way to represent and be living the life man!***


Sep 3, 2012, 9:14 AM



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Hollywood


Sep 3, 2012, 9:37 AM

Hollywood is IMO responsible for attacking people of faith. Like Rome in ancient times, they are OK with Christianity, so long as you keep it to yourself and admit its just like every other faith. In other words Jesus is a way but not the only way. This goes against what the Bible and Jesus says. He said "I Am the Way!" Now I believe in others rights to believe what they want to, but I still believe Jesus is the ONLY way, and Hollywood has a problem with that. Thats why, ironically, they attack Chick Fil a when their head guy comes out and supports Biblical marriage and attack anything else. Christians are portrayed as bigots or morons in most Hollywood productions. Makes me sick.

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Who do you think runs Hollywood?***


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Re: Hollywood


Sep 3, 2012, 10:19 AM [ in reply to Hollywood ]

so true! sad but true!

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Please provide a little proof.


Sep 3, 2012, 11:42 AM [ in reply to Hollywood ]

If anything Hollywood skirts the issue of religion, or at least gives a nod to Christianity in a good number of movies. You know, because most of their audience identifies as...gasp....Christian. Are there a few movies that attack Christianity, yes, I'm sure there are, do they tend to do well in the box office (not that I"m aware of) so anyway, here is a list of the top earning movies from the last year, please show me the Anti-Christian ones.

2011
1. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
2. Transformers: Dark of the Moon
3. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Strange Tides
4. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn pt 1
5. Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol
6. Kung Fu Panda 2
7. Fast 5
8. The Hangover Part 2
9. The Smurfs
10. Cars 2

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Re: Hollywood


Sep 4, 2012, 1:56 AM [ in reply to Hollywood ]

Funny you should mention Hollywood. I work in Hollywood. It is a dark place for sure and a very powerful entity because of its ability to inform and shape culture. I prayerfully work to be light for the LORD out here. It's a great place to be on mission. There's a lot of lost people who need to know the love, grace, and truth of Jesus.

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Thanks for posting your thoughts. Winning the game is


Sep 3, 2012, 9:39 AM

great but winning in life by accepting Jesus as savior is awesome. I really appreciate how Dabo and his coaches care more about the players than the player's ability.

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Re: Thanks for posting your thoughts. Winning the game is


Sep 4, 2012, 1:26 PM

I agree with you 100%+ why can't something like this make the news instead of all the negative ?

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HOF...great post CRobb !***


Sep 3, 2012, 9:47 AM



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Love to see these young men on our football have faith.


Sep 3, 2012, 9:52 AM

I mean faith and moral values that help them have a foundation of family with each other forever. Love the principle of love thy neighbor as thy self. No matter what you beliefs are it is a growing up when we begin to strive to love others unconditionally. It goes hand in hand with the concepts of team and family. This doesn't mean that we will win more games but if your team Is loving each other and helping each other it makes a difference in shared wisdom and accountability to grow in an unconditional love family. No perfect folks here but a common goal to reach as family.

Love the Sammy story! He messed up as we all do but he also has realized that he can get up and travel in a new direction with his life and set a positive example on a national stage. His story is a long way from finished but I think having faith, love and family will increase his chances at being the best he can be. I can't wait to see the story unfold.

Go Sammy and Go Tigers!

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Possible NCAA violation???


Sep 4, 2012, 9:27 AM

So, I have heard from a source or two that the student athletes are bused from the west end zone to a church (come on we all know it's Newspring) and brought back after the service. How is that not a violation? Are they Newspring busses or Clemson University busses? Is the whole student body allowed to ride the busses? I was under the impression you were not allowed to show favoritism to student athletes in such a way. Like I said, I am not too familiar with the situation and am a Chirstian myself, but don't want us to get into any type of trouble from this. I also don't like the fact that Newspring seems to be using our football team as a marking tool. As long as Nuk and others are getting saved though I will hold my tongue. Plus, it's not my place to judge.

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Sep 4, 2012, 10:26 AM

That's one of the most aggravating misconceptions about Christianity, "I can't judge." They way people use the word judge when it is usually used in the context is something the Bible would actually support.
We cannot judge someone's intrinsic value or their eternal destination, but we can judge behavior morally. It is clear in Scripture we should be confident to make moral distinctions. There is a right and wrong. If we are breaking rules, then we should be corrected. Christians should be first in line when it comes to accepting correction and we should be able to confidently help guide those around us to what is morally right and wrong with love and humility.
Sorry for the mini-rant. Judgment is a topic that gets used incorrectly.

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Re: Possible NCAA violation???


Sep 4, 2012, 11:56 AM

I guess my true intentions were not understood when I added the "judgement" part of my post. I simply meant, I am removed from the situation and have inadequate information to make an informed decision. I am curious about some of the things I have heard, but since I haven't witnessed them personally (the buses picking up the athletes)and am not totally familiar with the NCAA rules and regulations (if this is actually happening, that it is perfectly legal) then I will not judge the coaches or the church for offering this bus service.
To your other point, as a Christian is it indeed our responsibility to offer advice and guidance when necessary, but this is so often done the wrong way. Unless it is something horrible that is easy to see as wrong, or you are a very close friend or family member to the person it can be very dangerous to offer correction on things you might not even understand.
I have seen more non-believers turned away by arrogant, snotty Christians than I care to count. We were not meant to primarily judge all but to love first.
Anyway, back to my original question. Does anyone know what is going on with the buses thing and if so is that an ok thing to do? Like I mentioned I don't know exactly what is going on or what is legal/illegal.

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Sep 4, 2012, 1:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Possible NCAA violation??? ]

we ARE to judge behavorial morality and we are INSTRUCTED to do so....you are "right on" on this.....also thanks for the original post...

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I completely agree with you.


Sep 4, 2012, 12:17 PM [ in reply to Possible NCAA violation??? ]

Hold your tongue.

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