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Oculus Spirit [93661]
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These charts were part of yesterday's Whitehouse briefing.
Jul 22, 2020, 6:19 AM
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Case Fatality Rate US compared to other nations.
New Cases vs Deaths
We've performed about 50 million test so far which is a consideration for evaluating the numbers on the charts.
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I think too much time is spent comparing to
Jul 22, 2020, 6:55 AM
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other nations. Not just on COVID...on everything. It's not a global competition. We need to focus on our positives, and our negatives, and deal with them.
To me, that second graph is concerning. I hope we don't see that death count continue to rise.
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Re: I think too much time is spent comparing to
Jul 22, 2020, 7:08 AM
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It's interesting how diffferently two people can view the same information. I see the second one and see a much lower motaltity rate...a less deadly virus. Thats a great thing. It says we don't need to hide in our houses scared of dying.
Comparison is important. We use it in everyday life to measure how well we are doing and to find areas where we can improve.
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Comparison is only effective when controlled.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:10 AM
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How can one compare two countries, with completely different populations, geography, etc.? I think it's hard to draw many conclusions.
When I look at the second one, the part that concerns me is that inflection point in July.
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The death rate is questionable considering how it's counted.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:17 AM
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Everyone who dies with covid is considered to have died from covid. With the massive numbers of reported cases without symptoms that becomes greatly exaggerated. Imo, those charts are inaccurate due to the way covid deaths are counted. Still, there is promise in the deaths' rate.
Testing is a problem. It seems the 5-15 minute test are all in DC and state capitals. I don't know a soul who has taken the quick test.
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Re: The death rate is questionable considering how it's counted.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:31 AM
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I know someone in the athletic department in a university in Columbia who, along with his entire family, have been taking the quick test daily for several days now.
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Re: I think too much time is spent comparing to
Jul 22, 2020, 7:10 AM
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Imo, comparison and contrast is a valuable way to measure progress when there's no real reference point for success. What is a good, practical reference point for success?
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To me, success is zero new deaths, maintained.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:14 AM
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Progress should be measured against that goal.
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Re: To me, success is zero new deaths, maintained.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:19 AM
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Heaven on earth?
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Re: I think too much time is spent comparing to
Jul 22, 2020, 8:45 AM
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Huh? When you compare apples-to-apples (or as close as you can) it is instructive. Death rate as a percentage makes sense to talk about and look at far more than number of cases which IS PURELY A FUNCTION OF NUMBER OF TESTS.
The problem with media coverage is the media has an agenda to make Trump look bad. So, any spin on data that achieves that goal is what the media will be airing.
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I don't know what they are saying on TV, but
Jul 22, 2020, 7:19 AM
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Looking online, I am shocked that the rising rate of new deaths is not getting hardly any coverage. I've been watching that for weeks. All the news websites are talking about is cases, which, while useful, pales in comparison of importance to deaths.
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Re: I don't know what they are saying on TV, but
Jul 22, 2020, 7:27 AM
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Did anyone not think the death rate would increase as the disease spread across the nation? That's how it works with all flu virus.
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Yes, I did think it would happen.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:30 AM
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I can't speak for others.
It's why it's important, and has been important, that the case numbers have risen so much. It's inevitably followed (after a delay), by people dying. It's simple mathematics.
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Am I reading the chart wrong?
Jul 22, 2020, 7:34 AM
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It appears the death rate since early June has gone from ~500/da to ~650/da. Is that not correct?
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Yes, I think that's about correct.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:39 AM
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The concern is that the rate of increase will continue, which is what makes the spikes you see in exponential curves. I hope this does not happen.
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*rate of increase will continue to rise****
Jul 22, 2020, 7:39 AM
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Re: Yes, I did think it would happen.
Jul 22, 2020, 7:36 AM
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But at a much lower rate. To the point that it is going to lose pandemic status soon. There cannot be an expectation of no deaths.
There are things that are much worse than this that receive far less attention.
Did you know that over 400K kids go missing in the US each year...but we baraley hear anything about it. Fear of death is a hell of a thing and it is making people act in irrational ways...even though the chances of dying from COVID are extremely remote.
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I would not expect zero deaths...
Jul 22, 2020, 7:43 AM
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But I would make that my goal and drive towards it.
If you think missing children needs more attention, then start giving it more attention. For example, how many posts have you made about it in the last few months? Letters to your Congressman? Not trying to be critical, but I often feel like people project onto the "media" problems that in the populace. The "media" will start caring when we start caring.
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Good Point Prod
Jul 22, 2020, 8:35 AM
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My wife and I do support Operation Underground Railroad (fighting sex trafficking) and try to consistenly raise awareness for it. It's hard to get traction because it can feel like "someone elses" problem when we arent individually under threat of it each day; like COVID can feel like.
But we will keep at it.
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Re: I would not expect zero deaths...
Jul 22, 2020, 8:42 AM
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Did you just arrive from 1980 with this statement "The "media" will start caring when we start caring."
The media has a liberal agenda. Would you not agree with that?
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No, I would not agree with that.
Jul 22, 2020, 9:18 AM
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Fox News, Breitbart, etc...are all media. Do you think they have a "liberal agenda"?
Corporate media have a main agenda of making profit. Therefore, they will broadcast what will get them viewers and clicks.
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The astounding thing is...
Jul 22, 2020, 7:49 AM
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that your life is in your hands everyday including whether or not you get this virus. If people behaved properly by washing hands, wearing a mask and staying out of other people's faces they/we could prevent the virus from entering our bodies.
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Re: These charts were part of yesterday's Whitehouse briefing.
Jul 22, 2020, 8:01 AM
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Saw on Drudge US just had a 1,000 death day for the first
Jul 22, 2020, 8:43 AM
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time since May.
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