Re: WHO wants world socialism vaccines.

They have a point, and then they don't have a point. Their point is because they said exactly what has happened would happen. Poor countries are breeding variants more than vaccinated countries, and until we can get vaccines into poor, third world arms, the variants will keep piling on. Generally that's what is happening.

Counter point, there are not enough vaccines for the poorer nations, and they can't be made affordably, the ones that work well anyway. But the US can't make 15 billion vaccines for the entire planet. And the other point is if 30%-40% of the humans on planet Earth will never take a vaccine because they're idiots, religious zealots, freedom loving Muricans, or whatever, what good would it do anyway?

WHO has consistently been against anything beyond a first shot in any nation. They were against the second shots, said not needed. Now the say boosters are not needed. They want supplies to Africa and other poor countries where there is still high demand for vaccines.

Again though, point is, once demand is satisfied, say we drop 100 billion vaccines all over the place, 30-40% of people STILL won't take the thing. Meaning it doesn't matter anyway.

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We don't see the spikes in poorer countries.

Dec 3, 2021, 10:19 AM

There is no sense of scale for their outbreaks, so we don't know. Some countries may have seen spikes we have no clue about, far beyond our cases and deaths. Most of Africa falls in this category, some of central America, and India and China are two others. The wide open, free, densely populated countries where precautions and vaccines are not taken, are where the nastiest variants will emerge. Each generation of variants will be more deadly for the unvaxxed, and less for the vaxxed and/or recovered people with natural immunity.

Omicron, just like Delta and Alpha before it, increases interferon suppression. This shouldn't be confused with "immune escape" the vaccine companies and everyone else worries about. Immune escape is a structural change in the spike protein (vaccines based off this) that makes the vaccines (your antibodies) less effective when you fight the virus. Immune SUPPRESSION, interferon suppression specifically, works differently. It's the dirty secret no one mentions, studies, or talks about. Immunity, as we know it, is our body's ability to respond to a virus. Our ability to recognize it, formulate antibodies to it, attack it, and rid the body of the virus. Next time your body sees the virus, it recognizes it, attacks it quicker, with better antibodies, and you get a milder illness. Rinse repeat.

With covid, it has something unique to it that no other virus has, at least to a degree FAR beyond any other known respiratory virus. It tricks cells, upon infection, to NOT send the chemical message to other immune cells that there is an infection. So your immunity, whatever it may be, is not activated for a period of time. Add to the ability to rapidly replicate, and then you have a problem. You have an infection, that has literally exploded in your body, completely unchecked, for days (7-8 now, possibly, with Omicron). It started as 2-3 days in Wuhan, went to 5-6 days with Delta. But that period, that period when you have no symptoms, you actually have the highest viral loads, and spread it the most. This is why most people in hospitals, even when VERY sick, are not contagious. Most people spend 7 days getting sicker and sicker, THEN enter the hospital. By 10-14 days, they are not contagious anymore. But they're still sick as #### and sometimes die, NOT being contagious. This is why medical professionals have had less deaths/infections than many anticipated. By the time people go to an ER unable to breathe, their viral load is dropping rapidly as they fight the virus.

This is the reason for long covid as well. Why it impacts your entire body where other respiratory viruses usually impact the lungs, sinuses, etc. It gets places during the period of immunosuppression other viruses can't reach. Our bodies and immune systems are trained to attack respiratory viruses before they get to the brain, kidneys, liver, heart, etc. Likewise, our immune systems are not used to having to fight viruses in the heart, brain, kidneys, etc. Our best defenses lay in our guts, and in our lungs and sinuses.

As such, there is little that the human immune system can do to stop "cases". There is little vaccines can do to stop "cases". There is little a prior infection, even, can do to stop cases. Until your body knows you're infected, it can't respond, no matter your immunity or how you get it. Now with excellent immunity, you have a mild case, and a few people have no symptoms at all. They still get "infected" and still spread it. That's the part that can't be stopped by any tools humans have to stop it. As such, your handling of the virus depends solely on your ability to rid the virus, once you already have it at very high levels. THAT is where vaccines work, where prior infection immunity works, where everything works to keep you alive. The viral loads people carry during the period of infection without immune system knowledge, that level has been increasing exponentially with each major variant. The level and length of time for free replication is growing with each variant, and the amount of virus your body has to clear when infected, has gone up exponentially since Wuhan. At least 250 times, possible over 1,000 times. THIS is why people with vaccine immunity, or prior infection immunity survive with a "mild" infection versus a severe one. And each series of mutations increases that initial viral load your immune system has to deal with once it knows to deal with it, which is why it becomes MORE deadly for people without immunity, versus those with it. It's why hospital stays are becoming longer on average. More virus to clear.

Long story short, everything we are doing, and know to do, everything humans have evolved to do, to clear a virus, ONLY fights covid on the back-end of infection, not at the front end. As such, the major steps in evolution for the virus, are on the front end, doing the things that make it spread more, easier, and increases viral loads, replication, and immune suppression. And the real "pandemic" ending science (not a pandemic, won't end), should be focusing on the mutations in the ORF1a/b gene, NOT in the spike. Learning exactly how covid shuts off our alarm system is key to stopping it, only way really. There is a protein somewhere, a chemical signature, that turns off our immunity, that covid uses to propagate. Otherwise, we're simply trying to keep people from dying, and that's all vaccines, and PRIOR immunity can do for us.

And lastly, this answers your question as well. Sheer replication, that process, which happens in everyone regardless of immunity, is what is driving the evolution. There is no benefit to the virus to mutate (much) in the spike protein. Some, but not a lot. The majority of the success it has is driven by other mutations that delay our ability to recognize and fight it. Other variants our vaccines worked VERY well against, have some of the same spike mutations as Omicron. There are others we don't know about. Stop immune suppression and covid will become a cold, if that. Without immune uppression, our vaccines would have ended covid. Honestly, it would have never started. Would have fizzled like SARS.

And one spike mutation has been very beneficial in studying the origins of Omicron. It has been around since October, and possibly September in places all over the planet. It likely started in Africa long ago, and moved into Europe long ago and the entire world really as we travel. Forensics have shown many European countries, and even the US, first had Omicron, or it's predecessor, going around months ago. SGTF is a term for a PCR test that's positive, where the test failed to show a positive on the spike protein marker, but showed positive on other markers. It is still a positive result, but the spike marker is missing. This deletion of the spike positivity in PCR testing has been seen in prior variants, mainly the old and unsuccessful South African variant, and in the Alpha variant. Scientists have started now to go back in time and look for PCR tests that exhibited SGTF. They found, in many countries, there was a blip, a slight spike in cases with SGTF back in September-October. Delta doesn't have it, so with Delta near 100% dominant, SGTF was nearly non existent. But this spike happened in many countries months ago in the middle of Delta, and it was assumed to be the Alpha variant showing up as a blip. In all countries, and in all places with this spike in SGTF, cases began to rise afterwards. Scientists think this was not actually a blip in the Alpha variant, but Omicron.

Overall I think Omicron will be less severe than Delta for the vaccinated and people with immunity. I also think it will be worse for those unvaccinated, who were never infected. It is more transmissible, and the severity, again, depends on how people fight it on the back end. If 40% of Americans are unvaccinated, and say half of them had covid previously, and hopefully had a fairly bad case creating good immunity, then that leaves maybe 20-30% of Americans at risk for possibly a worse scenario than Delta was for the unvaccinated.

I really wish this would be studied in Asia. Kinda sucks that it was found in a "western" country, and countries. Because the Asians study it differently (or they release different data). They not only keep track of SGTF, but also ct measurements in positive tests. From that you can get an idea of the viral load. The Chinese will find an Omicron case, quarantine that guy (probably against his will) and whoever they can find with contact to him, verify the dates of contact/exposure, test them all every day, do ct counts on each test, and as each contact progresses from negative to positive, they watch the ct numbers drop, and from that they can derive a relative viral load and determine the length of asymptomatic transmission. That is how you can see the way the immune suppression and consequent viral loads happen. ONLY if you study it that way before someone knows they're sick, with a controlled group of exposed people, and monitor their viral loads from the point of exposure to low ct numbers, to eventual symptoms. If you study the virus when symptoms appear, you've missed the most important part and it won't make any sense.

And for the record, influenza also has immune suppression, much like covid. BUT, it's far milder, last for maybe 1-2 days. But that is why influenza hasn't disappeared, even with flu vaccines. It's also why a bad case of the flu (less immunity) hits you like a freight train within a single day or two tops. Covid starts very mild, sniffles, more sniffles, little cough, more cough, trouble breathing, THEN fever, then pneumonia, etc. Takes a good week or more before you go to the ER/doctor. By then you've been infected for a good two weeks, been fighting it more and more over a week with gradually worsening symptoms, and then you eventually end up in the ER.

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WHOs going off ###### on booster

I knew we had gone full clown world in regards to the

WHO wants world socialism vaccines.

trust the science!!! but not that science. just the one i

After all of this mess the last 3-4 weeks

Given the covid spikes we're seeing in highly vaccinated

We don't see the spikes in poorer countries.

Sorry, i didn't get past this...

Re: WHOs going off ###### on booster

Re: WHOs going off ###### on booster

Re: WHOs going off ###### on booster

WHO's?

They want the vaccines to go to 3rd world countries.***

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