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Who is your NBA GOAT? Kareem, Michael, Kobe

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:23 AM
 

Mine are
Bill Russell in his era
Kareem in his era
Micheal in his era
Kobe in his era
Maybe Lebron in this era

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:25 AM
 

I understand that I am pointing out a minor detail here but, you question asks about the "Greatest of All Time" and then you post your favorite from each era.

I'm not sure that's how all time works.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 3:34 PM
 

No contest../.Larry Bird

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 4:09 PM
 

It was an intended indication that there can't be a GOAT over the entire sport forever

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:38 AM
 

Jackie Moon.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:43 AM
 

Leo F Labbyak

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Wilt.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:45 AM
 

And it’s not even close.

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Re: Wilt.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:49 AM
 

I've been waiting for a chance to say this...
I agree 100%. No one is close to Wilt the stilt. My second would be Jordan.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 7:27 PM
 

Yep.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:48 AM
 

Jordan period.
He carried average players to greatness with him. A real clutch player and good teammate.

Lebron is killing the NBA like a cancer. He can only win when teamed with other superstars.
Same with Alcindor, Kobe, and others....

The golden era of the NBA was in the Magic, Bird, Jordan era. 14 combined championships, Dream Team...
Today's NBA is a joke by comparison. Nobody watches. TV Ratings are beat by Wheel of Fortune....

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:06 AM
 


Jordan period.
He carried average players to greatness with him. A real clutch player and good teammate.

Lebron is killing the NBA like a cancer. He can only win when teamed with other superstars.
Same with Alcindor, Kobe, and others....

The golden era of the NBA was in the Magic, Bird, Jordan era. 14 combined championships, Dream Team...
Today's NBA is a joke by comparison. Nobody watches. TV Ratings are beat by Wheel of Fortune....


This is the truth!

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:11 AM
 

Those "average" players went 55-27 in 1994, the year after MJ retired the first time.

I want you to really think about this. The Chicago Bulls lost Michael Jordan, the "greatest" player of all time, and went 55-27 without him. They finished 3rd in the Eastern Conference. And they took the Knicks to a Game 7 in the ECSF, and were one terrible call away from going to the ECF.

LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers won a league best 66 games in 2009 and 61 games in 2010. LeBron leaves for Miami and that same Cavs team only won 19 games. They didn't go 55-27 without LeBron. They went 19-63, good for worst record in the NBA, without LeBron.

The Miami Heat went 66-16 then 54-28 with LeBron James, who then leaves to go back to Cleveland. How good were the Heat without LeBron? Did they go 55-27 like the Bulls did without MJ? No, they finished 37-45 and missed the playoffs.

The Cleveland Cavs again, went 51-31 then 50-32 with LeBron. Then he leaves to go to the Los Angeles Lakers and that same Heat team finished 19-63.

So, who actually carried average players? And who actually played on a loaded squad?

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This reminds me of David Robinson's teams in the 90s.


Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 3:44 PM
 

The year before he arrived, the Spurs won about 20 games. His rookie year, they improved by 35 wins, the greatest turnaround in NBA history at the time. They were always a playoff team with him, and that was without another superstar. The closest thing he had to a superstar was Sean Elliott, who was a good player but not a perennial all-star. They had Dennis Rodman for a couple of years, who was a great rebounder and defender, but more of a role player than anything since he offered nothing in the way of offense. The remainder of his supporting cast was journeymen and/or guys who wouldn't be starting on many other teams.

Yet Robinson was criticized for being "soft" for not winning a championship. He lost to Olajuwon in the playoffs one year, who had an amazing playoffs that year but also had hall of famer Clyde Drexler as well as guys like Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, and Mario Elie as a great supporting cast.

Then Robinson got hurt and missed an entire season, and the Spurs won about 20 games again. Robinson was healthy again the next year, and also finally got the superstar he needed in Tim Duncan. The Spurs went on to win two titles with Robinson and Duncan together over those next few years.

I mention this example as a follow-up to your excellent point about the importance of the supporting cast. Great players shouldn't only be judged based on titles, because great players who win titles typically had plenty of help in the form of at least one other superstar. Guys who make their teams good without a strong supporting cast are the true great ones IMO.

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021, 6:50 PM
 

I dont care how great leboner is. Anyone who is bought and paid for by the chinese is no longer worthy of consideration

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I agree about MJ being the GOAT, but...

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 12:08 PM
 

he didn't win anything with average players. Pippen was arguably the 2nd best player in the league for quite a few years and the Bulls generally had a good/very good 3rd man (Grant, Kukoc) and excellent role players. Those teams were stacked.

The only year you can really make an argument for Jordan really dragging the team by himself was 1998 when Pippen, Kukoc, and Longley all missed 20-30 games. That was the year Pippen held out and refused to play because he was unhappy with his deal. Everyone was back for the playoff run though.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 4:11 PM
 

Pippin may be the most underrecognized and underpaid player of all time

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I fully agree!!!! And the quality of NBA play has come.....

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 12:41 PM
 

so far downhill since they stopped requiring players to play all fours years of college. Now with all of the college "stars" turning pro after one, maybe two years of college ball they don't mature/develop themselves or their basketball skills before hitting the NBA - this has caused IMO a major reduction in the skillset/performance of the NBA (there are, of course, exceptions to this).

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Average players?!?

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 2:38 PM
 

You have to be kidding me.

Scottie Pippen was a perennial all-star and is now in the hall of fame. He was widely regarding as one of the best, if not the best, defensive player in the league during his prime. He also provided scoring at multiple levels. He could slash and hit the three.

As great as Jordan was, my belief is that Jordan wouldn't have won any championships without Scottie Pippen. Pippen was the common denominator in all of Jordan's 6 titles. Jordan scored a ton prior to Pippen's arrival, and the Bulls never came close to being a championship team. After Pippen, when Jordan was with the Wizards, he either barely made the playoffs or missed them entirely (granted, he was on the downswing of his career).

In addition to Pippen, Jordan also had at least one other low-level all-star or fringe all-star player. Horace Grant was a very solid big man during the early 90s Bulls teams. And Rodman, who is also a hall of famer, was a key part of the mid-late 90s Bulls teams.

Finally, the triangle offense was brilliant and it allowed the Bulls to maximize their success. Tex Winter brought that. Phil Jackson is also one of the best coaches ever.

Jordan was great. An argument could be made that he is the GOAT. But he had a lot of help and this notion that he just took over anytime he wanted and carried a bunch of scrubs is revisionist history at its finest.

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I like that asian player

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:53 AM
 

Nyo Whun Care

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:53 AM
 

Jordan, on and off the court, end of discussion

Lebron is a punk a$$

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Anyone past the mid 90's is not a GOAT. The NBA is dead.***

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:02 AM
 

1. LeBron James
2. Michael Jordan
3. Shaquille O'Neil
4. Magic Johnson
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Bill Russell
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
11. Kevin Durant
12. Hakeem Olajuwon
13. Oscar Robertson
14. David Robinson
15. Steph Curry

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 1:30 PM
 

With the Lakers, in the Finals, Shaq's per game averages were...

99-00: 38.0 points and 16.7 rebounds
00-01: 33.0 points and 15.8 rebounds
01-02: 36.3 points and 12.3 rebounds

Shaq was the most unstoppable force in NBA history for those 3 years. And it's not even close.

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He was a big bully no doubt and he and Kobe were probably

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 1:33 PM
 

one of the greatest duo ever. I still say he "charged" a lot moving to the basket. Heck there are so many other violations these days, the NBA is no longer fun to watch.




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They did seem to let him do what they wouldn't let others

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 1:50 PM
 

do. He just banged people back until he was where he wanted to be. If the defender pushed back as hard, it was a foul.

He was a fabulous player, but there was that aspect to his game.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 8:46 PM
 

You need to read the stats of Wilt Chamberlain. Shack ain't close to Wilt.

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021, 3:43 PM
 

If we based everything off stats alone, Wilt would be #1

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And about 60% of his points & rebounds came from charging


Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 10:37 PM
 

and pushing off! It's ridiculous to even consider him a top 5 player all time. He isn't even a top five center, well behind Chamberlain, Russell, Olajuwon, Kareem, and Robinson...all with much more skill than being a bulldozer!

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021, 3:46 PM
 

You’re wrong, but I value your opinion.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 4:12 PM
 

Those are some good ones. Oscar?

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This is a very good list.***

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Your list is interesting, comrade. But, when I look at


Posted: Apr 16, 2021, 8:13 AM
 

it, and try to compare eras (which really can't be done), I think, "Could this guy adjust his game to play in another era and still be great?"

That would knock Shaq off the list immediately. He could ONLY play in the era where the refs let big men bulldoze their way to the rim. In that regard, he, and to a lesser extent, Wilt Chamberlain, were one trick ponies.

I admit to not personally liking Lebrun. However, he and Jordan 1 and 2 will always be the perpetual argument, not going to try and change your mind there. I believe both of them could have major success in any era.

Similarly with Abdul-Jabbar, he would be great in any era, because he never was a bulldozer inside anyway.

But, just as an exercise, if I were limited to only taking your 15 names, my ranking of them would be:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Larry Bird
3. LeBron James
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Bill Russell
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Magic Johnson
10.Tim Duncan
11.Kevin Durant
12.Hakeem Olajuwon
13.David Robinson
14.Steph Curry
15.Shaquille O'Neil

I also HAVE to say, had Julius Erving not spent his prime first few years in the ABA, he would have forced his way onto this list. His talent was undeniable. If you include his ABA years, I would plant him at #5 among your list.

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021, 3:42 PM
 

Having Shaq at 15th is insulting.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:08 AM
 

1. Michael Jordan
2. Michael Jordan
3. Michael Jordan
4. Michael Jordan
5. Michael Jordan

I'm giving my top 5, it gets less clear after that.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:12 AM
 

Magic/LeBron.

Really, LeBron is just a modern evolution of the Magic protoype of being THE best all-around player... and Magic might have been more versatile.

Why I will toss Magic into the conversation beyond say MJ (also most definitely worth) was that the 80s era of the NBA was more competitive than the 90s at the "top level" as you actually had three dynasties vying (Lakers, Celtics, Pistons) and that was not seen until the Spurs/Lakers of the 00s.

The most dominant player ever,- Wilt or Shaq (era defining/dependent).

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:13 AM
 

* forgot to add Phily to the list of "dynasties"

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:57 AM
 

How do you rationalize Magic saying Jordan is the GOAT then?

Not picking a fight, just curious to hear your thoughts on that.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 4:09 PM
 

Cheers!

Magic can pick whomever he wants as far as being GOAT and Magic has has always had an interesting "humble humor". That is a point there. MJ is never in doubt as far as having a case, or the case. I just don't think a lot of folks realized how revolutionary Magic was. He is the prototype of modern basketball even when the 3 was not widely adopted.

However if you were going to make me pick first to build my best NBA team, Magic would be #1 for me. Why, because the "point forward" is Magic and others follow like Lebron. From a sheer tactical "best player" there is no more valuable player. Magic can do anything that Jordan could do and then some. We worked better in team dynamics. But folks look at titles and playoff performances as to determine the goat so lets look at Magic vs MJ.

Magic played in more playoff games, (about 21 more) so take that into account. Magic, averaged about 14 points less points per game, but shot a higher %, had more rebounds (as a point-guard), is the all-time record-holder in assist in the playoffs. Jordan has a 0.2 steals advantage, but both are basically 2 steals a game. Magic had the better team stats but lacked the scoring tilt. Really, Magic nearly had a decade of NBA title runs only cut short by injury in '81, and Olajuwan chugging out 40 points vs Kareem in '86 - but really it was Sampson&Olajuwan vs Kareem.

If you base the GOAT on just "individual" performance, especially scoring, then Jordan is a more obvious choice. During Jordan peak, which is really about 89-93, Jordan strung together 5 season shooting over 50%. Magic did it 8 straight years. If not for his injury in '81, it might have been 10 years. If you look at GOAT from a team standpoint well, I think Magic has a case. The issue with Magic is Kareem as that era still skewed towards favoring big-men. In addition Magic had a great team around him. Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo. Really the only way to to avoid Magic and play big. Still, the GOAT always surround the team as well as most folks either point to Pippin or even Rodman (the most valuable stat player in 96), folks also discount the abilities of Cartwright or in Lebron's case, an often lacking team around him. Still, no-one faults Kobe for playing beside Shaq and a great team of his own.

However, Jordan never "changed basketball" - or didn't on the same scale. Magic did. Jordan's impact on the NBA was either how far you pushed isolation or really his impact of exploiting bigmen once the 3pt line existed. Still, he was a cog within Jackson system. Now compare that to "Showtime". Showtime does not exist without Magic even if he is not getting the scoring stat-line. You need a big-fast, point-forward and this style is still in use today (See Lebron's transition basketball). Not only did it save the legs of you big rebounders, it allowed magic space and allowed the likes of Worthy/Scott to operate at the basket. All you have to do is add a flanking shooter and you have 3point capacity in modern ball.

Again, part of the debate is academic. Magic gets overlooked IMO. If Magic was "fed" like Jordan and even a lesser extent LeBron, then I don't think he would be left out. Again, for some, scoring and titles is the GOAT, other look for different attributes.

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My definition of GOAT is: If the game is on the line,

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:35 AM
 

down to the last shot, who do you want with the ball in his hands? For me, that's an easy decision. Michael Jordan, all the way. I wouldn't care if he was 0-for-game before that, I would still put the ball in his hands for the last shot. The only other player I can think of who would meet that criteria is Larry Bird.

Given that criteria, Lebrun wouldn't even crack the top 20.

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In that case, and cheers - it would be Kobe, Bird, and .... Vince Carter. MJ would be about 5th or so on that list and Lebron would be 7th. Also on that list would be Reggie Miller, Jerry West, and Carmello. MJ does lead that catefory in playoff buzzerbeater, but you have to play a fair amount of playoff games to have those opportunities. For example, MJ has 9 in fewer games than Lebron with 7. But that requires games to be close and it was not until Lebron's SIXTH playoff series than he even got a "shot". Plus modern games are not as close as what they used to be....

For me, it would be who would win me the game in the other 47:55 minutes of the game.

However, that is all offensive. Say if you had a 1point lead and MJ-like was your opponent, who would you put on him to guard him?

So say you had to defend, make the stop, and then make the basket, how would that reorder things?

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Jordan would still be near the top defensively. He made

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 12:10 PM
 

FIRST TEAM All NBA Defensive Team the last NINE straight complete seasons that he played with the Bulls, missing only the ~1.5 years that he was out of the league. Lebrun, by comparison, made First Team five times, and has not made it since the 2013 season, even though he continues to play.

There were, and are, players that are more of "defensive specialists", not known for their offense at all. For all his strangeness, Dennis Rodman was as good a defensive player as you could ever want. He was also probably the greatest rebounder of all time for his size and build.

In the "Big Man" era, I would easily give the nod defensively to one Bill Russell of the Boston Celtics. He was already on the tail end of his career by the time I was old enough to get interested in the NBA, but he was still a great presence on defense.

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Lebron is the better defender without a doubt - more versatile and is better at covering modern basketball. Jordan first-team defense must be taken into context of how he was also positioned and how that honor is awarded. For example, my pick, Magic leaded the NBA in steals for two year without being named to the defensive team - Michael Cooper form the lakers got that honor and was worthy too. Magic also out-rebounded and could play better defense against a wider range of players. Jordan was really a point/scoring neutralizer - especially against jump-shooting and penetration but like other players, he was at a disadvantage against bigger player. Even then, he really did not have to cover the court like modern 3 point threats. Still that award normally always has a slot for about two guards in general and is rarely ever allotted to small forwards - especially "point-forwards". Still, I think Jordans last few years of the award were more about previous momentum and perception vs performance. His effiencency there was down, spg were down, and rebounding was done. So 87-92, yes. 95/96 -ok , not 96+. Jordan's most telling attribute is his utilization and munites played. I think his endurance does not get enough credit. Which by your last shot metric is a good concept.

However, the real pick in that category would be Kobe. 12 time defensive player and as, or if not more lethal from an offensive standpoint. Bigger build and just as quick.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 12:18 PM
 

Both all time greats by your criteria.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:53 AM
 

No Doubt ! MJ no one should be allowed to wear 23 in the league. I am so grateful to have seen this man play From the Heels to Da BULLS. Never should of put on another uniform. Just my opinion .

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No Doubt ! MJ no one should be allowed to wear 23 in the league. I am so grateful to have seen this man play From the Heels to Da BULLS. Never should of put on another uniform. Just my opinion .

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Oh, I see what you've done there....

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 12:11 PM
 

you just didn't know it. You've listed the GOTES - Greatest of the Era (that they played in).

GOAT means greatest of all time. You're diluting the term GOAT by doing this.

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I have 4 GOATs...

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 4:24 PM
 

Beat All-Around Player GOAT - LeBron James
Best Resume GOAT - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Champion GOAT - Bill Russell
Game Impact GOAT - Michael Jordan

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Still have to go with MJ as the greatest to ever play the game.

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Wilt. Unstoppable.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:16 PM
 

I’d say Michael.

AI isn’t the GOAT but he doesn’t get enough credit. I think he loved to play the game but wasn’t dedicated as much as MJ and Kobe were.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021, 11:20 PM
 

Jordon 1, Larry Bird 2 & nobody else can even peek in that group. Dr. j was before my time but he would be 3 & Kareem 4.

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Posted: Apr 16, 2021, 7:20 AM
 

Kareem was better in Airplane than Jordan was in Space Jam so I'm taking Kareem.

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Posted: Apr 16, 2021, 9:03 AM
 

I see most on here believe Jordan. I'm guessing that the same people were ages 10-30 during 1985-1997 so it's only natural that they would believe it. MJ is, without question, the all-time most famous, most visible and most hyped NBA player of all time as he was the perfect player to cash in on the media/financial explosion ushered in by the Bird/Magic rivalry. In truth, Jordan was a ball-hogging scorer for the first 6 years of his career, failing and flailing in the playoffs each year until 1991. From 1991-1997 he had the best team in the NBA surrounding him, with the 1990's being the most watered down, weakest era (because of mass expansion) in league history.

When Kareem was asked a few years ago if MJ or LeBron was the GOAT he replied that Oscar Robertson was better than either. MJ fans like to talk about his 6 rings but Russell had 10 or 11 and Robert Horry has 6 or 7. MJ fans rave about his athleticism and his 48" vertical but Wilt was 7'2", 320 lbs., ran a 4.4 forty (recruited and maybe drafted by the NFL as a wide receiver), bench press over 500lbs. with a 50" vertical. About 80% of the centers playing in the Chamberlain era are either in the HOF or all-time top 50 NBA players, or both. Incidentally, Wilt's fallaway jumper was much better, and much more effective than MJ's. Most of the better players in the 1960's and 1970's (other than the great Celtic teams) didn't have many rings because there was no free agency in any sports until the mid-70's, after the Curt Flood lawsuit. That meant that they had to stay with the team that drafted them forever unless they were traded. Also there was usually only one NBA game per week on TV, Sunday afternoon at 2:00, by and large featuring the Celtics.

Once, in the '90's, MJ and Wilt were arguing about who was better at an NBA function. Wilt ended the argument when he told MJ, "Michael, the league changed the rules to help you score; the NBA changed the rules to keep me from scoring." Historically, both points were true.

It might be worth it to watch some film on Youtube of Wilt, Baylor, Oscar, West and Russell before automatically crowning MJ or LeBron as the GOAT.

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Posted: Apr 16, 2021, 12:56 PM
 

These are vey good points. LJ needs to stay out of politics BTW.

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Nope, LeBron should keep speaking out...


Posted: Apr 19, 2021, 10:50 AM
 

Just like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell and many other players before him.

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Posted: Apr 17, 2021, 8:08 PM
 

Who gives a crap about the CBA?
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