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Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 25, 2022, 7:40 PM
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At Clemson before he and TDP decided to part ways??
Again, not saying you are now ecstatic how it turned out with Dabo.
But was it more of wow, that turned out great that we got Dabo even though I felt Tommy was very close and just needed one more season maybe?
I don't expect anyone to admit it, but I know for a fact from message boards that were some that did want TB back, and were concerned who the next coach would be.
Personally, I thought it was time, but was a little concerned that Dabo was the guy at first. No question not after a few seasons...
That is the same situation with Brad Brownell and why some don't want to sail that ship...
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Will UNCheat keep their basketball coach if he misses
Feb 25, 2022, 7:50 PM
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the NCAA ? Does UNCheat accept mediocrity now that they claim the players actually go to classes ?
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Feb 25, 2022, 8:15 PM
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I was ready for him to go. Didn’t think he was going to get us any farther.
Feb 25, 2022, 8:28 PM
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But wasn’t initially thrilled with Dabo. I knew nothing about him. I seem to remember changing my mind and liking him pretty soon thereafter. Did wonder after the WV game if he’d achieved all he would. But it was so nice to even be in the Orange Bowl. So thankful that his coaching changes paid off.
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Re: I was ready for him to go. Didn’t think he was going to get us any farther.
Feb 25, 2022, 8:35 PM
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Dabo was a HUGE part of recruiting in that time. Was not real sure how we would be able to keep him if the staff was let go, but did not see him being the head guy. Man just connected with the players and their parents. He was very special then as well just obviously in a different role.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 25, 2022, 8:32 PM
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We were talking on the way home from that last game at Wake that we felt he was done. Happened quicker than we had anticipated.
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Tommy
Feb 25, 2022, 8:57 PM
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Tommy Bowden was an excellent hire. On a scale of coaches who improved Clemson football, he would be near the top.
He was crap as a coach on game day, but a guy who set a different "standard" here.
Much of what we take for granted in the program is due to him.
Any who do not see what he accomplished here need more info.
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Re: Tommy
Feb 25, 2022, 9:12 PM
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He helped in starting a push to get the facilities improved. Hated he would not see the completion of that deal. I loved the guy but dang we looked lost sometimes. At the end of the day you need to surround yourself with the best as far as coordinators. Maybe a little too loyal to some that should have been gone.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 25, 2022, 8:57 PM
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At Clemson before he and TDP decided to part ways??
Again, not saying you are now ecstatic how it turned out with Dabo.
But was it more of wow, that turned out great that we got Dabo even though I felt Tommy was very close and just needed one more season maybe?
I don't expect anyone to admit it, but I know for a fact from message boards that were some that did want TB back, and were concerned who the next coach would be.
Personally, I thought it was time, but was a little concerned that Dabo was the guy at first. No question not after a few seasons...
That is the same situation with Brad Brownell and why some don't want to sail that ship...
You must be dumber than a bag of hammers to think CTB and CBB are similar in terms of the situations. The potential of the programs are not in the same stratosphere. One is a destination job and the other is an afterthought
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 25, 2022, 8:57 PM
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At Clemson before he and TDP decided to part ways??
Again, not saying you are now ecstatic how it turned out with Dabo.
But was it more of wow, that turned out great that we got Dabo even though I felt Tommy was very close and just needed one more season maybe?
I don't expect anyone to admit it, but I know for a fact from message boards that were some that did want TB back, and were concerned who the next coach would be.
Personally, I thought it was time, but was a little concerned that Dabo was the guy at first. No question not after a few seasons...
That is the same situation with Brad Brownell and why some don't want to sail that ship...
You must be dumber than a bag of hammers to think CTB and CBB are similar in terms of the situations. The potential of the programs are not in the same stratosphere. One is a destination job and the other is an afterthought
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dumber than a bag of hammers
Feb 25, 2022, 9:29 PM
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Thanks for being smart enough to post that twice. Do you have that demeanor with family , sure you don't lead with that in a bar.
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The close loss to BC in '07 probably was the turning point.
Feb 25, 2022, 9:07 PM
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I could be wrong, but I don't think TB would have been let go in '08 even after the 3-3 start with #9 preseason ranking if Clemson had beaten BC in '07 and won the Atlantic Division and gone to the ACC Championship Game; especially not if we had won the ACCCG. Interesting that TB and Clemson probably started the Alabama dynasty that year and got Clemson the coach to start a dynasty.
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Re: The close loss to BC in '07 probably was the turning point.
Feb 25, 2022, 9:17 PM
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You could be right. We seemed so close and just could not get it done. That would have definitely been a boost for the program if they would have made it in 07. 08 Bama exposed a huge weakness at OL. Often wondered how we were pre season 9 with an OL like we had. I do not remember if there were injuries or what went wrong but that game at the LOS got ugly quick.
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Re: The close loss to BC in '07 probably was the turning point.
Feb 25, 2022, 9:21 PM
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Wasn't it harper who got yhe first carry and fumbled it away?
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Re: The close loss to BC in '07 probably was the turning point.
Feb 25, 2022, 9:24 PM
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I wanted him to succeed but he didn't. He was somewhat like Hatfield as he didn't associate with his players much, especially on game day.
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Re: The close loss to BC in '07 probably was the turning point.
Feb 25, 2022, 9:36 PM
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I believe that is correct. Set the tempo early with that TO. Believe he was a freshmen. Welcome to college football young man. They were just a lot better than we were back then.
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I, and probably about 10,000 of my closest friends sent
Feb 25, 2022, 10:22 PM
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letters to the Clemson President BEGGING him to fire Tommy Bowden, immediately after the Weak Florist 12-7 debacle in 2008. Since I be have command of Enlish language, I am shure mine was the one that got it done.
And no, I had no idea who we would even get to replace him, just knew that ANYONE at the time would be better. We were literally the laughingstock of college football, with ESPN and everybody else taking daily shots at our football program. And, more importantly, the fanbase was speaking loudly with their wallets, by staying away from the games in droves.
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Re: I, and probably about 10,000 of my closest friends sent
Feb 26, 2022, 10:55 AM
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Brownell is the anti-Tommy Bowden. His teams rarely lose to less talented teams and his teams have had more big upsets than Bowden.
He's only lost to Wake Forest twice in his entire tenure as basketball coach.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 25, 2022, 10:32 PM
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In full disclosure, I did not want Tommy to stay.
When he was fired, I figured Clemson made the safe bet giving Dabo the interm position b/c of Bowden's buyout. At the end of the year, I figured Clemson didn't have the cash to hire a big name, so they gave Dabo the job so they could save some money and let him have a shot for a year or two.
I also didn't buy the Tommy recommended hiring Dabo. If I was an AD firing someone, the last person I would ask for a recommendation from on the next hire would be the guy I was canning.
But... thank God I was wrong and to say Dabo has far exceeded expectations would be an understatement.
And besides Dabo, the next best hire Tommy made was Brad Scott. Not only b/c of Jeff, but what Brad did for Clemson was invaluable. Don't think we would have landed a lot of guys that led us to a National Championship without Brad Scott.
I was surprised he wasn't the interim head coach when Tommy left.
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Lol! Saying the Grand Canyon is a hole in the ground is an
Feb 25, 2022, 10:36 PM
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understatement. Saying Dabo exceeded all expectations is WAY bigger than that.
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The miserable performance in the loss to Wake that year
Feb 25, 2022, 10:34 PM
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was the last straw for me.
I believe we lost 12-2 and remember distinctly the actual moment when I decided that I was done ... it was when we were still in a position to win the game, where we had Wake at like 3rd and 12 inside there own 10 yard line and we let them convert the first down and that was that.
I figured the AD would wait until the season ended to pull the trigger, but I wasn’t disappointed at all when it happened that very week. I didn’t know much at all about Dabo Swinney, but I was 100% on board with the interim being handed to him.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 25, 2022, 10:57 PM
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Yes, glad these sit on your hands always to scared to make a decision folks don’t work for me.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 12:48 AM
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NOBODY .However I suggest you take a poll to see how many people wanted Tommy Bowden to stay!
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Feb 26, 2022, 1:03 AM
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 1:24 AM
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I didn't want him to stay. As for Dabo . . I trusted that they knew something about him, from being on the staff. I'm pretty sure he had a short lease. If you remember, he had to make some heavy coaching changes as things weren't going as he had wanted. he was able to make the decisions needed. If we brought up an assistant, I again would hope they know something . . not sure that is at all possible with out staff.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 6:50 AM
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I am amazed that anybody can remember exactly how they felt then. As I remember, I was waiting until the end of the season to see how things went, but I definitely was not banging a drum for him to stay. I do remember being disappointed with the hire of Dabo. It's nice to be wrong sometimes.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 8:57 AM
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If T. B. had the whatever to make Dabo offensive coordinator…
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowden to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 9:13 AM
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I'll admit it. I was a TB fan. Not saying I loved losing to Wake Forest and Duke. However, I clearly remember when we would land a recruit, it would often say recruited by Dabo Swinney. I always wondered who that was. When he was named interim, I did hope he would get a chance to stay on as HC. Admittedly, I questioned Dabo as a HC the first year or so. Like most everyone else, I'm now a huge Dabo fan.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowden to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Yea Tommy did great in bringing Dabo to Clemson. Recruited very well for him as well.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Here you are again comparing basketball to football. It makes no sense.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Tommy took it as far as he could and as far as he thought we deserved to be. Tommy always thought he was doing a great job. He was pretty good. Jim Grobe really did him in.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 10:52 AM
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I was ready for Coach Bowden to go, when he kicked a field goal down six at GT. I knew then he wasn’t a winner.
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Re: Who can admit they wanted Tommy Bowdan to stay...
Feb 26, 2022, 10:54 AM
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**Bowden** FTFY! You are welcome!
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