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White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 2:14 PM
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Blessings
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Can't be.
Mar 13, 2013, 2:25 PM
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We done smoked it.
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Who cares? Honestly.***
Mar 13, 2013, 2:27 PM
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Hundreds of millions of people care.***
Mar 13, 2013, 2:41 PM
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Re: Hundreds of millions of people care.***
Mar 13, 2013, 2:48 PM
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More like Billions. We sometimes lose perspective with Football - but the vast majority of the world could care less about us playing Georgia first game. Good to keep things in there proper order.
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I doubt most Catholics even care who the new pope is.***
Mar 13, 2013, 2:50 PM
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I doubt you're Catholic***
Mar 13, 2013, 3:04 PM
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Bullcrap. He has NO bearing on the Christian faith
Mar 14, 2013, 9:29 AM
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What reason could you possibly have to care
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As a Christian we are to love everyone espeically Christians
Mar 14, 2013, 1:57 PM
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There is no doubt they are Christians.
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Not to be rude, but a doubt you speak for all Presbyterians.
Mar 14, 2013, 2:01 PM
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With non believers attacking the Christian faith we don't need discord between the Christian denominations.
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You misinterpret.
Mar 14, 2013, 2:56 PM
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PC-USA's position on other sects is clear: If you believe in the basics, details are unimportant. Catholics are just as Christian and just as deserving of God's grace as anyone else. But we gave up the idea that the pope was important to us about 500 years ago.
And for the record, we also don't much care who the Archbishop of Canterbury is, or the Dalai Lama either.
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Too bad it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 3:09 PM
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Bible says there is but one mediator between man and God, Christ Jesus. I don't need a pope to go to God for me. Just another sinner. By grace through faith we are saved not by works lest any man boast. Pretty clear there.
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Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity...
Mar 13, 2013, 3:22 PM
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You do realize that means they believe in Jesus Christ right?
Also, the Pope is believed to be the descendant of St. Peter.
Hope this helps.
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Uhhhh
Mar 13, 2013, 4:17 PM
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How is he a descendant if the cardinals are VOTING for who the pope is?
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Re: Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity...
Mar 13, 2013, 9:50 PM
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You do realize they don't believe in justification by faith through grace and Paul said whomever comes to you with another gospel other than what we have taught you, let them be accursed. Show me in scripture where it states pray to Mary?
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Who prays to Mary?
Mar 14, 2013, 6:57 PM
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I've prayed for her but certainly never to who. I know I've been told by many people I do though.
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Re: Too bad it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 3:30 PM
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hahahaha but whatever #### religion you belong to is the right one?
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Ignorance is a ##### huh lol***
Mar 13, 2013, 3:31 PM
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Re: Ignorance is a ##### huh lol***
Mar 13, 2013, 3:34 PM
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It's ridiculous. I'm not religious, but I always get a laugh when I hear Christians try to claim Catholicism isn't truly Christian or some stupid crap like that.
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I'm sure they know all the answers to everything
Mar 13, 2013, 3:37 PM
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Never mind that love and tolerance message the Bible repeats.
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Re: I'm sure they know all the answers to everything
Mar 13, 2013, 3:39 PM
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Love and tolerance? Not when there are queers are getting married!
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Hah, sadly true
Mar 13, 2013, 3:46 PM
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It's too much to ask to let everyone find happiness their own way, even if it involves a sore tailpipe.
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Re: Hah, sadly true
Mar 13, 2013, 3:50 PM
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Yep, it's unfortunate but whatever. Not much can be done to change it.
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Yeah knowing it is an abomination to God
Mar 13, 2013, 10:00 PM
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we should just allow them to fall into the hands of their judge without warning them. Yeah you know what real love is. Knowing what awaits those whom reject Christ and live the way they want and not warning them is love
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Re: Yeah knowing it is an abomination to God
Mar 13, 2013, 10:11 PM
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Hahaha thanks for the laughs man. What religion is yours by the way? I want to know which religion to tell Pete I'm not apart of when I get to the pearly gates.
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Read the Bible and you'll know what I am
Mar 13, 2013, 10:32 PM
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I am what the scriptures are. Also no where in scripture does it say Peter is at the gates, just made up non sense, so keep thinking that. Like I said prove me wrong through scripture. God Bless
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Re: Read the Bible and you'll know what I am
Mar 13, 2013, 11:07 PM
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Not gonna spend much time getting into the Bible...the Peter thing was just a bit of a joke....but...oh nevermind
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So, I am to tolerate what God calls an abomination?
Mar 13, 2013, 5:40 PM
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I will listen to what God has called wrong, not what man calls "right" in their collective intolerance of my faith. Of course, I am talking about the sin of homosexuality. And, as a Christian, I realize the sin of "white lies" and gossip are equal to pedophilia and adultery and homosexuality in the eyes of an Almighty and Righteous God.
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Yes love and warn against a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 9:55 PM
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Would you not warn someone you loved if they were in harms way? Believing in a religion that is against what the Bible teaches is wrong and in trouble.
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Re: I'm sure they know all the answers to everything
Mar 13, 2013, 9:59 PM
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Yeah and the Bible also condemms false religions. The Bible says anything that teaches another gospel that isn't what we have taught let them be accursed and Galatians say BID them NOT God Speed neither allow them in your house. So we're suppose to ignore what God's word says there? How did Jesus handle the pharisee's that were false? He called them snakes and wolves
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Catholicism teaches things that the Bible doesn't teach
Mar 13, 2013, 9:57 PM
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so how are Christians ignorant for standing against that? If a Christians authority is the Word of God and a group teaches things that is contrary to what God's word says, then shouldn't they stand against it?
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Re: Catholics are the Original Christians
Mar 14, 2013, 5:55 PM
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Saint Peter, one of the 12 apostles established the Catholic church. He was also the first Pope.
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Re: Catholics are the Original Christians
Mar 14, 2013, 9:28 PM
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He was not the first pope. They claim apostolic succession from him but he wasnt the first pope. The papacy derived from the office of the bishop of rome and for the first several centuries he had no more power than other bishops. Also, if peter was a pope it discredits papal infallibility since paul showed peter to be wrong on a matter of faith and peter admitted as much.
I will say though that most protestants slander catholicism. They do not believe in faith by works. The believe faith in the first instance is by grace alone. The problem is that once you sin after being saved you have to do works of satisfaction to get your merit back. Which is to imply that we can somehow add to the merit of christ. Protestants technically believe in justification by works. Through faith we get credit for the works of christ. Catholics require that we add to that merit to stay in a state of grace. So they do believe in justification by grace through faith but after that there is some bad theology involved. I know catholics who I believe are truly regenerate. My dad has a good baptist friend who is a ver mature christian and the guy will tell you he knows he was saved in the catholic church. As he grew spiritually he discovered he needed to become protestant to continue growing in accordance to scripture.
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If it goes by scripture then yes
Mar 13, 2013, 9:53 PM
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Cause God's word said so. The Bible is my authority not a pope.
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Re: Too bad it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 3:31 PM
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From the beginning of the Christian Church, there were apostles with the charge of leading the church. Jesus chose Peter (the rock) to build his church upon. The apostles then choose others in book of Acts. These were not to get between man and God, but behind man pushing him towards God.
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Re: Too bad it's a false religion
Mar 14, 2013, 9:31 PM
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He didn build the church on peter. He built the church on the confession peter made that jesus was the christ. That is what they were discussing. He changed simons name to peter as a word picture and a reminder.
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Hope you realize what you're doing
Mar 13, 2013, 5:01 PM
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All you are accomplishing is turning people off to your 'enlightened' religion
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Re: Hope you realize what you're doing
Mar 13, 2013, 10:08 PM
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Show me in scripture where I error? If I say what sayeth the Lord, then i'm doing his will. Jesus said preach the truth and stand against false religions. Man won't have the excuse well he turned me against it when standing before God. How is warning against a false religion wrong? Jesus did it and told us to do so. When what they teach is contrary to what the Bible says, it's false.
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Re: Hope you realize what you're doing
Mar 13, 2013, 10:17 PM
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The problem being that to religious nuts such as yourself, EVERYTHING is religion. It's a sweet little technicality that allows you to ignore the "tolerance" aspects of the bible and replace it with shoving #### down peoples' throats.
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Nope, I don't have religion
Mar 13, 2013, 10:30 PM
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I have a personal relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ whom died for my sins and I believe he saved me by faith in him and through his wonderful grace. Call me what you will, doesn't bother me as I go by what Christ says in his word and when you can prove me wrong in the scriptures, then i'll listen. Till then it's just your opinion that doesn't mean anything to me, cause God's word is my authority. God Bless
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Re: Nope, I don't have religion
Mar 13, 2013, 10:43 PM
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Awesome! Just do us all a favor...if in your personal relationship with god and Jesus, you're told to bomb a school or church or gov't building...please don't do it. Thanksssss
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God told me what he will tell me in Scritpure
Mar 13, 2013, 10:47 PM
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But nice there making garbage up. My Lord Jesus would never tell me to do so, I know what Jesus would do through the Bible.
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Re: God told me what he will tell me in Scritpure
Mar 13, 2013, 11:10 PM
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What garbage did I make up? I just want to make sure you keep your relationship with Jesus PG-13. He's over 2000 years old, and older men have a history of taking advantage of the young and naive...
I'm just looking out for you man.
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God Bless
Mar 13, 2013, 11:14 PM
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actually Jesus has always been. John1 in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD. vs 14 and the Word was made flesh. That is Jesus who came as a man to die for the sins of the world.
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Re: God Bless
Mar 13, 2013, 11:52 PM
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You lost me.
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Re: Too bad it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 10:19 PM
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That'd be a shock to Jesus, since he founded the Catholic Church.
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No he founded the churchin acts, that is different
Mar 13, 2013, 10:31 PM
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than what the catholic church teaches. Why did they go away from what Paul taught as salvation? Jesus founded his church to believe what his word says. If you don't do that, then you're not his church according to him
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Jesus founded no church.
Mar 14, 2013, 1:02 PM
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The Messiah's job was to fulfill the prophecies of the religion into which he was born.
Ordinary humans founded the Christian church.
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Re: Jesus founded no church.
Mar 14, 2013, 1:19 PM
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Huh? Then why did Jesus say to Peter upon this rock I will build my church? Jesus was the first to mention church
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But it is never mentioned as something separate from...
Mar 14, 2013, 1:41 PM
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... Judaism. To realize the prophecy of the Messiah is to fulfill the prophecy of Judaism. The new religion was founded by the men who followed Jesus, after most Jews had rejected Jesus as the Messiah.
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Re: White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 3:02 PM
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Sammy??
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Nope, Doo Doo Clowney.***
Mar 13, 2013, 5:41 PM
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Re: White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 3:08 PM
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Can anyone tell me why the pope even matters? Not trying to be a wiseguy, just asking.
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Doesn't, it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 3:10 PM
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Don't need a pope or Priest to take my prayers to God, Jesus does that.
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Re: Doesn't, it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 3:12 PM
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Agreed. Just curious if any Catholics could explain why he is necessary. Seems a bit foolish to me.
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I'm not Catholic, but he is the Bishop of Rome, and is
Mar 13, 2013, 3:25 PM
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believed to be the successor of St. Peter (the apostle), and therefore is the Chief Pastor of the Church.
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No where in the Bible does it say so and notice you said
Mar 13, 2013, 10:10 PM
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believed to be. If the Bible doesn't say any of this, where does he get the authority to be put in that place? If what they teach is against scripture, then why would you believe them?
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You don't have good reading comprehension skills do you?
Mar 14, 2013, 8:53 PM
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My first sentence clearly pointed out "I'm not Catholic."
The point I was really trying to make was that if you say Catholicism is a "false religion," then you are calling Christianity a false religion as Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity, much like Baptists, Protestants, etc.
You really just seem to come off as an ignorant, misinformed ###.
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I doesn't matter if one calls it's self a denomonation
Mar 14, 2013, 9:00 PM
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Bottom line does it go by the Bible? The Scriptures are what claims one is a christian Church and if you teach that contrary of what Scripture teaches, then it's false, not my opinion, but what God's word says
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Man I have taken classes on the Catholic church taught by
Mar 14, 2013, 10:06 PM
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professors who are catholic. I came away as Martin Luther did, they are in error of what the New Testament taught as the gospel and in error of many things. One I have another problem with is that if it comes down to scripture or church tradition, they take church tradition. Scripture is the sole authority. I always put anything up against scripture and if it doesn't line up with scripture, I stay away. Not my opinion but what scripture says. Those who want to differ, it is their right. I believe that the Bible is God's word and my one and only authority. I try my hardest not to add and keep my opinion out. Try to be Sola Sciptura as best I can
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So you are putting all your faith that Martin Luther was
Mar 14, 2013, 10:12 PM
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correct in taking out books from the Catholic Bible as he saw fit and going against what the Scripture used at the time was?
Also, you asked if Catholics followed the Bible, I answered, you changed topics.
Also, in the website you posted below about the dinosaurs and the Bible, it says that Adam committed the first sin which is not what the Scripture says so by your argument that website is false.
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You are putting your faith in books that don't line up with
Mar 14, 2013, 10:18 PM
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scripture? I have rad the books that were taken out and you can tell that they're in error and don't line up with the other books. I don't take any ones word for anything, I study for myself. You can do as you like. I look and pray for myself that the Holy Spirit has led me the right way. My faith is in God and I do the research.
Martin Luther did not write the German Bible, but he did translate it.
For centuries, the Bible was out of reach of most Christians. The only copies that existed were in Latin, which most people could not read or understand, and it was left to the clergy who were educated in the Latin language to mete out their own explanations - a practice which tended to be subjective, rather than objective.
A Dutch scholar by the name of Erasmus (or Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus), who was a contemporary of Martin Luther, saw how the Bible was being withheld from the common people. Like Luther, Erasmus was critical of some Roman Catholic beliefs, abuses and practices. A Catholic priest himself (again, like Luther) and a scholar of Latin and Greek, Erasmus carefully studied the original Greek texts and put together the first copy of the Greek translation of the Bible, which was published in 1516. It was this action which gave Luther the foundation, and motivation, to translate the entire New Testament into German. This action made the Bible accessible to all people, which was what Luther wanted. He was not interested in rules and rituals: he was interested in making the Gospel of Salvation available to everyone.
Further information:
Even in the 18th century Latin was the language of the educated, of art and science and mathematics. In the middle ages illiteracy rates were high. Until around 1440, there was no printing press to print the Bible. There were however many vernacular translations prior to Luther (Italian, French, English etc) for people to read if they could afford to pay a scribe to make them a copy, or were literate so they could read the chained copy (to stop it being stolen) at their local church.
In total however, there were at least eighteen complete German Bible editions, ninety editions in the vernacular of the Gospels and the readings of the Sundays and Holy Days, and some fourteen German Psalters by the time Luther first published his own New Testament translation. (Paul Arblaster, Gergely Juhász, Guido Latré (eds.), Tyndale's Testament, Brepols 2002, p. 116).
For the text of Erasmus, which Luther used, he was missing part of Revelation and so had to use the Latin Vulgate (Biblia Sacra) and translate it into Greek. Erasmus dedicated the first edition of his work to Pope Leo X.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/luther02.html
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And how are they in error? Please don't hold back.
Mar 14, 2013, 10:26 PM
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Not to mention the website I cited says:
"Jesus and his Apostles knew and used the Septuagint most heavily.
The Septuagint was a Greek translation of the Old Testament. It contained 46 books:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zachariah and Malachi."
The most pressing question I have for you is this: Do people who are Catholic go to Heaven?
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Yes if they believe they are saved by Grace through faith
Mar 14, 2013, 10:38 PM
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in Jesus Christ, not of works lest any man should boast. Not my words but Paul. Then Paul sad in Galatians, that if any man comes to you with ANY other Gospel that isn't what we have taught you, let him be ACCURSED. Answer is, what gospel do they believe?
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I had a Catholic Professor tell me today that we are saved
Mar 14, 2013, 10:50 PM
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by baptism cause Peter said so in 1 Peter 3:21,
21 The like figure to this, even baptism, doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess at what Peter means in this verse because he clarifies that for us with the phrase “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.” While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation, it is not the act of being baptized that he is referring to (not the removal of dirt from the flesh). Being immersed in water does nothing but wash away dirt. What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents, which is what saves us (an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ). In other words, Peter is simply connecting baptism with belief. It is not the getting-wet part that saves but is the “appeal to God for a clean conscience” which is signified by baptism, that saves us. The appeal to God always comes first. First belief and repentance, then we are baptized to publicly identify ourselves with Christ.
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Re: Doesn't, it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 3:28 PM
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I grew up Catholic, converted when I married my wife who is a Methodist Minister. Remember, the Pope has existed for thousands of years. He comes from a time when all put only a few could read or understand the scriptures. They needed someone to lead. In many ways, we all need someone to lead, to be a spiritual leader be it a parent, teacher, coach, or pastor. The Pope has transformed in the last 100 years to a pure spiritual leader and less of a politicial leader which is good. He is not meant to be replacement for God, just a helper for each individual's realtionship with God.
Many non-Catholics falsely are taught that Catholics pray to the Pope. This is not the case. But many devout Protestants have no issue asking some one to pray for them, that is true with the Pope. Catholics believe he is infallable. I don't think that is true and many historical Popes have proven that. But, in theory, if a man devotes his entire being to following God's way, his teachings and his guidance, then he would be infallable - or in perfect sync with God. Good in theory, but the nature of man prevents this.
In my opinion, the world is a better place with a Pope committed to reaching the entire world with God's message.
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Re: Doesn't, it's a false religion
Mar 13, 2013, 3:35 PM
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Good explanation
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OK
Mar 13, 2013, 3:46 PM
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So basically he's just the head "pastor/minister/leader" of the Catholic church?
Is the Catholic church the only denomination to follow this type of hierarchy or are there others?
Again, not trying to stir anything...just trying to understand.
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No***
Mar 13, 2013, 3:47 PM
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Re: No***
Mar 13, 2013, 3:48 PM
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Care to explain?
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Re: OK
Mar 13, 2013, 3:47 PM
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I'm almost positive it's just Catholics.
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Re: OK
Mar 13, 2013, 3:53 PM
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Some view Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople of the Eastern Orthodox Church as head of the EOC in the way the Pope is head of the Catholic Church.
Modern Times have lessened the Patriach's role and more influence rest with the individual bishop in the church.
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Re: OK
Mar 13, 2013, 3:57 PM
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But it's just Catholics who recognize the Pope, right? I was raised Catholic so I never really paid attention as to whether other religions recognized him too haha
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Re: OK
Mar 13, 2013, 4:03 PM
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The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church and the Bishop of Rome. The Church teaches that Jesus the Christ founded the Church and appointed Peter as the head.
Catholics believe that the Pope is the successor to Peter and therefore the successor to Christ and has apostolic primacy
Today most Protestant Churches view the Pope as a disciple of Christ but do not support the theory of apostolic primacy.
Obviously in history the schism between Protestants and Catholics has affected non Catholics view of the Pope, all the way from King Henry the 5th to the Irish problems in the 20th Century.
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Re: OK
Mar 13, 2013, 4:17 PM
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ahhh ok thanks!
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Re: OK
Mar 13, 2013, 4:54 PM
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Thanks for a civil discussion without name calling. It was very cool.
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Re: OK
Mar 13, 2013, 10:38 PM
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No problem man, thanks for the info. I'm always interested in hearing about religious beliefs, whether or not they're my own. Whether it be Christian, Jewish, Islamic, hell I'll even listen to Mormons and Scientologists. I like to hear about this sort of stuff.
I just don't like when people present their beliefs as fact with undertones of "YOURE GOING TO HELL" as one poster here is doing haha.
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Other non-protestant, non-christian religions have hierarchy
Mar 13, 2013, 4:14 PM
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as well. There are hundreds, if not thousands of other religions out there.
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Jesus is the head of the church. Pastors are not
Mar 13, 2013, 10:14 PM
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authorities but preachers of the word. You have elders who serve the church, not bosses. Pastors are called to serve the members of the church, it is one body. The church in Acts is what Chris deemed it to be, yet the Catholic church is completely different.
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They didn't have the scriptures cause they didn't
Mar 13, 2013, 10:02 PM
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want man to have Bibles. Have you ever heard of William Tyndale? He was burned at the stake for copying Bibles and giving it to the common man to read for themselves. We have a leader and it is the Holy Spirit. You know who burned William Tyndale? Catholic Church and John Huss whom did the same as Tyndale and many others. Ever hear of Martin Luther? He read the scriptures for himself and found out that the catholic church was teaching things that the Bible doesn't teach and is why the protestant church is hear. One who started the Protestant Reformation
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Don't feed the troll***
Mar 13, 2013, 3:34 PM
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Do you need a pastor?
Mar 13, 2013, 4:17 PM
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or church bishops/elders/deacons?
Its all the same really, Presbyterians (PCUSA) have an elected official lead their church (I believe elections are held every 2 years). Even independent churches are lead by their pastors, it's just a question of how many levels of governance there are.
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Not really. The whole point of the Protestant Reformation...
Mar 14, 2013, 12:57 PM
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... was that man did not, as is the case in the Catholic Church, need an intermediary between himself and God.
The leader of PC-USA is not considered an infallible god-on-earth, either.
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Did the acc excommunicate the fighting irish?
Mar 13, 2013, 3:09 PM
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What does the catholic 7 think of the irish playing with demons and devils?
Who does the new poop pull fer?
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Re: Asa lama lakum
Mar 13, 2013, 3:18 PM
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Word up.
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Catholics don't believe the pope
Mar 13, 2013, 3:29 PM
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Sends their prayers to heaven. There isn't any worship of the pope.
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Infallible when he speaks on matters of faith
Mar 13, 2013, 3:31 PM
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Not infallible period
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Re: Infallible when he speaks on matters of faith
Mar 13, 2013, 10:48 PM
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Show us in scripture where it stats that
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great thread!***
Mar 13, 2013, 4:56 PM
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Re: White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 5:02 PM
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I'm not Catholic but have great respect for the Pope and the Catholic religion. Most Catholic's I know will celebrate the selection of the new Pope.
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Re: White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 9:48 PM
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Someone is smoking weed probably
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Catholics don't pray to Mary
Mar 13, 2013, 10:10 PM
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Bryant, you should go to a catholic mass to learn a bit about what Catholics actually do.
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Re: Catholics don't pray to Mary
Mar 13, 2013, 10:23 PM
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http://www.gotquestions.org/prayer-saints-Mary.html
Also they believe in being saved on works. Paul said through faith in Jesus Christ by grace alone and not works lest any man should boast. Also where do they get infant baptism? No where in scripture does it say to baptize infants? Also Baptism has nothing to do with our salvation. I have studied all about catholicism and took a course in college, so i'm well aware of what the catholic church teaches. I know much of what they teach is contrary to what the Bible says, so how is that not false? Paul said if anyone comes to you and teaches another gospel than what we taught you, then let them be accursed. Galatians says to not even bid them Godspeed nor allow them in your house. They believe that a priest can take your sins to God, yet Paul said there is but ONE mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. Also that we are not to use Father as a leader as they do, cause Jesus said there is but one Father and he is your Father in heaven. Just going by what the Bible teaches. Why did the catholic church not want man to have the scriptures for themselves? Why did they kill Tyndale and Huss for getting the Bible in regular mans hands? The Bible was intended for all man, not for the catholic church to determine what you are to believe, that is what the Holy Spirit is for. As what led Luther to stand against the catholic church, he read it for himself and realized they were teaching what the Bible doesn't.
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So why is Paul the ultimate authority?
Mar 14, 2013, 1:13 PM
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While he did have more to do with the formation of the Christian church than anyone else (including Jesus) he was still just a man. WAY too much emphasis is placed on what Paul said as opposed to what Jesus said. They were two different people, with distinctly different points of view.
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Pete isn't at the gates, it's not in scripture.
Mar 13, 2013, 10:14 PM
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In fact Peter isn't even in heaven, his arrival in heaven isn't in scripture so it didn't happen
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Peter isn't in heaven? When Jesus died
Mar 13, 2013, 10:25 PM
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all go to heaven whom he saves. God read Revelations, John saw all the saints in heaven with Christ. Show me where the Bible says Peter isn't in heaven
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How so?
Mar 13, 2013, 10:16 PM
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Priests are called to serve like pastors are
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Yes but not to be mediators between God and Man, we have
Mar 13, 2013, 10:26 PM
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Jesus for that. Also are called to preach what the Bible says is the gospel and they don't believe it is by faith through grace in Jesus Christ alone
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its gotta be founded by an OCD
Mar 13, 2013, 10:20 PM
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German guy for it to be Christianity.
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Re: its gotta be founded by an OCD
Mar 13, 2013, 10:27 PM
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No it's gotta go by what the Bible says to be true Christianity. Why else does Jesus say depart from me in Matthew 7 to false churches?
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The prayers to Mary and saints are petitions asking
Mar 13, 2013, 10:27 PM
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For their prayers to god. Not too different from people taking prayer requests on this site.
I'm not even going to mention that verse in James.
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Yes it is, as when we do so we ask that you pray
Mar 13, 2013, 10:36 PM
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To Christ and him alone. No where does it say Mary is anything other than what I will be in heaven. Jesus said the first shall be the last and the last shall be the first. God doesn't play favorites in heaven. Mary is my sister in Christ and nothing more than that. Jesus told John to be hold his mother, telling Mary that you're not my mother anymore. Mary was Jesus earthly mother and that is all. Jesus had to die for her sins just like ours. Bottom line do they believe what Paul said the gospel is?
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A Christianity nut is no different than a
Mar 13, 2013, 10:30 PM
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An Islamic nut. So absolutely convinced they know what it takes to be saved.
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How so by going by scripture, i'm a nut?
Mar 13, 2013, 10:38 PM
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So I should just ignore what the Bible says is salvation and make up my own huh? Call me what you will, but i'll go by what the Bible says and none other. Call me wrong, but i'll take my chances with God's word
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib1GyZHPGaM
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Re: White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 10:32 PM
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I am not trying to be disrespectful . . but one needs to remember that the Catholic religion is a people contrived religion. All the "holy" Catholic rules were put in place by man and can be changed by man. That makes its stand a bit different to other christian religions . . good or bad depending on how you see it.
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Re: White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 10:40 PM
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All religions are a joke, don't worry.
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Well that is your belief, so have a nice day
Mar 13, 2013, 10:46 PM
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Like I said prove me wrong through the word and i'll listen. Believe the way you want and i'll believe the way I want.
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Re: Well that is your belief, so have a nice day
Mar 13, 2013, 11:21 PM
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Just a quick list of biblical contradictions:
http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm
Dude I'm totally fine with letting people believe what they want. I don't care what religion someone is and I would have never said a single word if you hadn't come stomping into this thread like a d-bag and declared Catholicism a false religion.
This is 100% on you.
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Re: Ha ha, the old Bible contradictions
Mar 14, 2013, 12:06 AM
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You could be right...I just google searched "bible contradictions". I don't really bother with actually reading this bible.
Also, FWIW, I'm not atheist.
After reading your second link, you're basically just reading the step by step manual of how to deal with non-Christians word-for-word, eh?
"My response:
God is omniscient (all knowing). The bible does not contain any contradictions. Most so called contradictions are cleared up when read in their context. If you know of any please cite specific examples, and I will answer them for you."
Overall, the most blatant things wrong with the Bible are the denial of evolution, Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark, and the belief that the world is only 6,000 years old. I've heard people rebuttal the most obvious falsehood of Adam & Eve with "well the Old Testament is just sort of tales...", but that should mean the entire book should be open to interpretation.
The entire basis of religion to me seems absurd...the thought that a god would create us just to worship him. It makes god sound like an insecure frat boy instead of the creator of everything.
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Does not the potter have control over it's clay?
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Who are you O man, to question the all mighty God?He came and died so that we may have eternal life, yet he isn't worthy of our worship? God gave man freedom and perfection, yet Man chose to disobey him and sin? Is that God's fault? Yet God still came as a man and died so that we may have peace with him. Would you die for men who hate you? Jesus did
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Re: Does not the potter have control over it's clay?
Mar 14, 2013, 9:34 AM
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Isn't worthy of our worship? I don't know. He probably is. But that wasn't my point. My point is why would a God that tells us to be good and humble then in turn demand we worship him?
You keep referencing a book claiming to be the word of God, but was written by man and has been edited many times.
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Re: Does not the potter have control over it's clay?
Mar 14, 2013, 1:12 PM
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Don't have time to into all I have on that subject but here is a good source. Also as Paul said, Written by man inspired by God.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-corrupted.html
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Re: Does not the potter have control over it's clay?
Mar 14, 2013, 1:45 PM
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"Written by man, inspired by God". That says it all right there! This is the word of man, inspired by how we think God wants things to be. For this reason, we should not treat everything in the Bible as the exact word of God since Paul himself said that wasn't the case.
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You bash us, yet hold on to evolution?
Mar 14, 2013, 12:18 AM
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Problem is people look at things and say that is impossible, as Jesus said ALL things are possible with God. For God to speak everything into existence, that tells me there is nothing He can't do. You don't believe and that is your right. I chose to believe as I know what the Lord has brought me from and the wonders he has worked in my life.
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Do you consider yourself a judgmental person?
Mar 14, 2013, 12:21 AM
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Just wonderin'.
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People don't become Christians to judge others, however
Mar 14, 2013, 12:47 AM
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it is their responsibility to let all those who have not heard Christs name, for whatever reason, hear It so that they may be saved. Discipleship is strongly encouraged so many Christians may come off as being brash or pushy, but this behavior is SUPPOSE to be out of their caring and compassion for those that have not been saved...not to try and make someone feel unintelligible or insignificant. No Christian has the power to truly judge someone; however, they can "judge"/determine/interpret...whatever you want to call it, how >Christian< something or someone is. You would have to, in order to understand who is a false prophet in this world.
Admittedly, some Christians are not great representatives of Christianity. But that's a different story. I've always heard to just stick to the Bible.
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Re: People don't become Christians to judge others, however
Mar 14, 2013, 9:28 AM
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"No Christian has the power to truly judge someone; however, they can "judge"/determine/interpret...whatever you want to call it, how >Christian< something or someone is"
While I can understand this part, many Christians don't appear to judge people by how Christian they are...they just judge.
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That's unfortunate when that happens...
Mar 14, 2013, 12:30 PM
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In many instances, some people strive to become "Christians" as a way of achieving a certain status and then they belittle, mock and slander others which is not indicative of someone who is filled with the Holy Spirit. That's not a very effective way of being a disciple of Christ. That's a case where I would like their Christ, but not their Christians. I wouldn't let this deter you from Christianity if you should ever have any interest. It is a wonderful thing.
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Re: That's unfortunate when that happens...
Mar 14, 2013, 1:06 PM
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I was born and raised Catholic. I have strayed from religion though...at this point in my life I don't see any reason to follow it. Instead I just try to be the best person I can be morally, socially, and professionally.
That said, I try to respect religious people and their beliefs as long as they extend to me (and other religions) the same courtesy.
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Re: You bash us, yet hold on to evolution?
Mar 14, 2013, 9:26 AM
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I try not to bash anybody...s I said before, the only reason I've been giving you any crap is because you came in here and bashed the religion of others while acting like yours is the right one.
And yea, I think I'll "hold on" to evolution haha. But then again, who cares about stuff that's been scientifically proven when we can do stuff like "pray away the gay"?
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Re: You bash us, yet hold on to evolution?
Mar 14, 2013, 9:35 AM
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Also, do you believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old as the Bible says? If so, do you believe dinosaurs existed? If not, how do you explain the their fossils?
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Evolution has been proven? Please show me where it has been
Mar 14, 2013, 1:17 PM
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Proven, have you or your great great grandfather ever seen anything evolve?
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Re: Evolution has been proven? Please show me where it has been
Mar 14, 2013, 1:38 PM
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Haha what a sentence! I know you're trying to discredit evolution but you're only making yourself sound like a fool.
It's been shown in the way certain animals have grown under certain environments. The Kodiak Bear is a good example of this.
On top of that, the DNA of humans and chimps are 90% the same (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121106201124.htm), which would lead most people to believe we are related to apes.
And a quick picture of the progression of skulls:
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How can life come from non life?
Mar 14, 2013, 2:17 PM
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I have a few questions for you.
2. Where could birds have come from?
3. Where did the "Big Bang" come from?
4.Astronomers have observed that the life of a short-term comet is on the order of 1,500 to 10,000 years. There are an abundance of short-term comets. Why aren't they all gone by now?
5. Why is still a volcanic mountain on Jupiter?
6. Why are volcanoes spewing juvenile water?
7. Why is Helium still rising in the atmosphere?
8. Why doesn't the ocean have a complete mix of substances washed into it?
9. If humans lived 1 000 000 years ago, and the growth rate was one quarter of the average since several hundred years, there would be 10000000000000.......... ( 10 with 2100 zeros ) people on the earth. If they died young, why can't we find any bones of them???
10. The sun should have 200x more angular momentum than all the planets combined. The planets have 50x more angular momentum than the sun! Why is that?
11. The sun acts as a giant vacuum sweeping up about 100 000 tons of inflow a day. ??
The earth's decaying magnetic field proves that 10 000 years ago, the earth would have been a star completely incapable of supporting any life.
http://www.scybolt.com/homework/points_against_evolution.html
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Re: How can life come from non life?
Mar 14, 2013, 5:28 PM
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Again, fantastic job just copying and pasting from a website designed to combat those who don't believe exactly what you believe.
Birds came from dinosaurs. That much we know...though there are still some direct dinosaur-era species like the crocodile, which is believed to have existed for 55 million years.
I have no idea where the Big Bang came from, or if it even happened. The Big Bang and the "6,000 year old Earth" are just different ways of trying to explain something far more complicated than we can comprehend at this point. And I'm ok with that. There are always going to be unknowns in our life which can't be summed up in a single book.
I don't know the answers to your questions because at this point they're unanswerable. However, just because your answer is "Jesus", doesn't mean you're right.
There's so much we don't know about the Earth and universe. Science ATTEMPTS to explain things. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong...but it makes a reasonable attempt using evidence in order to draw conclusions.
Just one question: If everything we know, and we see on this planet was created with forethought by an all-knowing, all-seing God, why did he create something like a parasitic wasp which lays its eggs in the head of a catepillar while the catepillar is still alive, thus providing the insect with one of the most horrific deaths imaginable?
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Re: Ken Ham explains it very well what I believe
Mar 14, 2013, 6:58 PM
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So the Earth must be 6,000 years old for no reason outside of "because God said so", and the existence of dinosaurs explained by animals who drowned in Noah's flood...though that is sort of tough to believe since Noah was supposed to save two of every animal, wasn't he? So he kind of messed up by letting several hundred (discovered so far) species drown. Must have been asleep at the wheel eh?
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Re: Where in the world did you get that from? Making stuff up
Mar 14, 2013, 9:34 PM
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That's how I interpreted this:
"Therefore, one cannot allow a fossil record of millions of years of death, bloodshed, disease and suffering before sin (which is why the fossil record makes much more sense as the graveyard of the flood of Noah’s day)."
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So Adam was the one who ate the apple? Strange, my Bible
Mar 14, 2013, 9:54 PM
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says it was Eve.
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Eve ate first and then Adam ate, God punishsed
Mar 14, 2013, 10:33 PM
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after Adam ate. Notice that God didn't punish until after Adam ate the fruit. So your Bible says Adam didn't eat the fruit? Then your bible is in error, cause Eve gave to Adam to eat
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Here is the verse
Mar 14, 2013, 10:35 PM
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So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Gen 3:6
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So why do you spend so much time debating it?
Mar 13, 2013, 11:01 PM
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Have you ever seen me debating an atheist? Funny for atheist or those who don't believe inn Jesus, they sure spend a lot of time talking about something they don't believe in
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Re: God told me what he will tell me in Scritpure
Mar 13, 2013, 10:50 PM
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Just show me where in the mythological text of my religion I am wrong and I will admit I am wrong- kind of a circular argument.
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Re: White smoke coming out
Mar 13, 2013, 11:37 PM
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Reading through this thread was kind of like passing an auto wreck consisting of a lot of blood. You hate to look, but it's too shocking not to.
Wow.
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Lighten up, Francis.
Mar 14, 2013, 12:57 AM
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Re: I doubt most Catholics even care who the new pope is.***
Mar 14, 2013, 5:58 PM
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You're a #### fool if you think that!!!!
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