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What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program?
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What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program?


Apr 14, 2022, 1:05 PM

I keep hearing that they are not helping. They have already provided a new coliseum, practice facilities, training and weight rooms, etc.
I am curious.

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Apr 14, 2022, 1:22 PM

Nothing that even remotely pulls or detracts from the football program, even inadvertently-

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Apr 14, 2022, 1:38 PM

Buy some better players! Hard to do with the money shortage. Join IPTAY

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Apr 14, 2022, 1:54 PM

Pig® said:

I keep hearing that they are not helping. They have already provided a new coliseum, practice facilities, training and weight rooms, etc.
I am curious.




Can you confirm you are a really super duper low IQ fan that would ask these questions a third grader could answer? If so i will be glad to explain it to you. Otherwise I assume you are just trying to be a smartie.

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Apr 14, 2022, 2:22 PM

I guess I'm just a super duper low IQ fan. I really would like to know what they can do to turn the basketball program around.
Any ideas?

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Apr 14, 2022, 3:31 PM

For a question a third grader should be able to answer he’s never once been able to it do and apparently no one in our athletic department or on our basketball staff has been able to for 12 years. Why does he have such a low estimation of our athletics?

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:08 PM

viztiz said:

For a question a third grader should be able to answer he’s never once been able to it do and apparently no one in our athletic department or on our basketball staff has been able to for 12 years. Why does he have such a low estimation of our athletics?




I just answered it above. If you did not understand the answer then perhaps you are not yet on a 3rd grade level of comprehension?

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:16 PM

This literally your answer from above -

“ Can you confirm you are a really super duper low IQ fan that would ask these questions a third grader could answer? If so i will be glad to explain it to you. Otherwise I assume you are just trying to be a smartie.”

There isn’t a hint of an answer there.

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Apr 14, 2022, 6:39 PM

viztiz said:

This literally your answer from above -

“ Can you confirm you are a really super duper low IQ fan that would ask these questions a third grader could answer? If so i will be glad to explain it to you. Otherwise I assume you are just trying to be a smartie.”

There isn’t a hint of an answer there.




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Apr 14, 2022, 7:01 PM

The above is the earliest post of yours in this thread and the one I was directly responding to. It’s all organized in a nice little tree below. I think you might be the one who needs some remediation on using the internet.

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Apr 14, 2022, 7:50 PM

viztiz said:

The above is the earliest post of yours in this thread and the one I was directly responding to. It’s all organized in a nice little tree below. I think you might be the one who needs some remediation on using the internet.



In other words you don’t want an answer…just a argument. I am ok with either

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Apr 14, 2022, 7:50 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

viztiz said:

The above is the earliest post of yours in this thread and the one I was directly responding to. It’s all organized in a nice little tree below. I think you might be the one who needs some remediation on using the internet.



In other words you don’t want an answer…just a argument. I am ok with either

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Apr 14, 2022, 7:50 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

viztiz said:

The above is the earliest post of yours in this thread and the one I was directly responding to. It’s all organized in a nice little tree below. I think you might be the one who needs some remediation on using the internet.



In other words you don’t want an answer…just a argument. I am ok with either

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Apr 14, 2022, 7:50 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

viztiz said:

The above is the earliest post of yours in this thread and the one I was directly responding to. It’s all organized in a nice little tree below. I think you might be the one who needs some remediation on using the internet.



In other words you don’t want an answer…just a argument. I am ok with either

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Apr 14, 2022, 8:10 PM

Are you drinking, having a stroke, or genuinely this stupid?

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Apr 14, 2022, 8:34 PM

He is in the hot tub with Judge and the other CBB cronies. You know who they are.

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Apr 14, 2022, 5:13 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

Get a BB coach that can retain his players and coaches snd that can recruit better. I’m
Sure this is to complicated for most. ??

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Apr 14, 2022, 5:13 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

Get a BB coach that can retain his players and coaches snd that can recruit better. I’m
Sure this is to complicated for most. ??

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Apr 15, 2022, 12:39 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

It's Real Simple "Fire Brownell" Now!
I will give you One simple reason: the last game against VA Tech. (any middle school coach) knows this, you're up by 2 with just under 7 seconds to go, a 3 beats you, so what does a real coach do? VA Tech has to go full court in under 7 seconds, your defense is full court press and if they make it to half court you intentionally foul which puts them on the foul line for 2 shots which worst case ties the game.
But what Really happened? Brownell gives VA Tech a wide open court for their best 3 point shooter to get off the game winning shot, even allowing the open court Brownell's instructions should have been to intentionally Foul and force them to win it at the foul line.
End of game decisions like this has been Brownells hallmark for 12 years??
Ask yourself why do think Clemson has lost so many close games? Brownell that's why

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Apr 15, 2022, 12:39 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

It's Real Simple "Fire Brownell" Now!
I will give you One simple reason: the last game against VA Tech. (any middle school coach) knows this, you're up by 2 with just under 7 seconds to go, a 3 beats you, so what does a real coach do? VA Tech has to go full court in under 7 seconds, your defense is full court press and if they make it to half court you intentionally foul which puts them on the foul line for 2 shots which worst case ties the game.
But what Really happened? Brownell gives VA Tech a wide open court for their best 3 point shooter to get off the game winning shot, even allowing the open court Brownell's instructions should have been to intentionally Foul and force them to win it at the foul line.
End of game decisions like this has been Brownells hallmark for 12 years??
Ask yourself why do think Clemson has lost so many close games? Brownell that's why

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Apr 15, 2022, 12:39 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

It's Real Simple "Fire Brownell" Now!
I will give you One simple reason: the last game against VA Tech. (any middle school coach) knows this, you're up by 2 with just under 7 seconds to go, a 3 beats you, so what does a real coach do? VA Tech has to go full court in under 7 seconds, your defense is full court press and if they make it to half court you intentionally foul which puts them on the foul line for 2 shots which worst case ties the game.
But what Really happened? Brownell gives VA Tech a wide open court for their best 3 point shooter to get off the game winning shot, even allowing the open court Brownell's instructions should have been to intentionally Foul and force them to win it at the foul line.
End of game decisions like this has been Brownells hallmark for 12 years??
Ask yourself why do think Clemson has lost so many close games? Brownell that's why

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Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program?


Apr 15, 2022, 12:39 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

It's Real Simple "Fire Brownell" Now!
I will give you One simple reason: the last game against VA Tech. (any middle school coach) knows this, you're up by 2 with just under 7 seconds to go, a 3 beats you, so what does a real coach do? VA Tech has to go full court in under 7 seconds, your defense is full court press and if they make it to half court you intentionally foul which puts them on the foul line for 2 shots which worst case ties the game.
But what Really happened? Brownell gives VA Tech a wide open court for their best 3 point shooter to get off the game winning shot, even allowing the open court Brownell's instructions should have been to intentionally Foul and force them to win it at the foul line.
End of game decisions like this has been Brownells hallmark for 12 years??
Ask yourself why do think Clemson has lost so many close games? Brownell that's why

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Apr 14, 2022, 2:15 PM

Tie student attendance to bb games with bb seating and football seating priority. The more games you attend, the better your seats become. pack your bags fellas, war's over.

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Apr 14, 2022, 6:55 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

I believe the coots have actually been doing this for years. It makes a ton of sense.

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I’ll give you an example.


Apr 14, 2022, 2:19 PM

Virginia Tech, who has a comparably poor basketball history to us, spends $10.3 million a year on men’s basketball.

We spend just $7.9 million a year on men’s basketball.

Don’t you wonder what they are spending that extra $2.4 million on each year?

Hint: it’s the not flashy but vital stuff like assistant coaches’ salaries and support staff. These are the people that do a lot of the heavy lifting within a program, from coaching, to scouting, to recruiting, etc.

You can do this same exercise with most any ACC program, and you’ll see that virtually all of them are spending at least a million or two more as year on men’s basketball. Some are spending $10-$12 million more per year.

This should be very concerning if you are a Clemson basketball fan. It wouldn’t be allowed to stand for Clemson football. Why is it okay for Clemson basketball to be at such a disadvantage every year?!?

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Apr 14, 2022, 2:27 PM

I agree with you that coaches who can coach and recruit are desperately needed. Is that what we have been missing?

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Apr 14, 2022, 3:20 PM

Pig® said:

I agree with you that coaches who can coach and recruit are desperately needed. Is that what we have been missing?




It seems your assumption is that CBB is not a good recruiter. There are a few things we need to agree upon.

Most of the great recruiters in College Basketball have help. The help has traditionally come from shoe companies or through the payment of AAU coaches/handlers. Zion is a recent example where we were confident of a commitment then on the night before the announcement the $$$ rolled in to turn the tide.

What is CBB selling to recruits? We know he plays but the rules so what is the offer? The chance to play for championships? The guys we have put in the NBA? The outstanding facilities with the slide, bowling alley, barber, paw bistro, etc? The chance to play before a packed house or be the top program on campus?

The thing is CBB is a good recruiter but playing with a handicap based on all the items listed above.

So what is needed? NIL to level the playing field so we are not always the bridesmaid for elite talent. We need to pay assistants and staff a competitive rate so the good ones are not picked off by other programs. We need a few flashing lights, bells and whistles for the player facilities (rebuilding LJ because it was being condemned does not count) so we can show recruits that basketball is important at Clemson.

Remember Clemson has been the doormat program of the ACC for years so investment in all these areas are need to turn the tide.

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Yes, we absolutely have been missing that.


Apr 14, 2022, 3:36 PM [ in reply to Re: I’ll give you an example. ]

This isn’t a knock on our assistants. They are good people and work very hard. But look at where we get them from. Places like Rhode Island (Coach Reynolds-Dean) and Quinnipiac (Coach Goins).

When is the last time we hired a basketball assistant from a power 5 program? It’s not because they wouldn’t want to coach at Clemson. It’s $$. We don’t pay assistants enough.

We lost Goins to Boston College last year, and Reynolds-Dean to Georgia this year. Neither of those teams have been nearly as successful as we have over the last 10 years, but those coaches took those jobs. I guarantee you they didn’t take a pay cut, and in the case of Goins, I know he got a raise from what he was making here. I bet Reynolds-Dean will get a raise too, once the details of his contract are released.

We must be able to attract the coaches we want to hire, and keep the ones we want to keep. As we know from football, staff continuity is important. We’ve had that in football because we pay our staff so well.

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:19 PM

Then we need to hire new assistants capable of doing the job, and pay them a fair salary. If that is the main problem, it sounds like an easy fix. The problem is it will take years to come to fruition.
If we brought in a new head coach, the BOT would take the hiring of new assistants into consideration. It will be hard to do while Brad is still here, because they are used to the current pay scale. They are looking at it bass-akwards.

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:23 PM

We all want to do whatever it takes to win more games, but other than window dressing I think facilities are probably off the table at this point.

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I listened to the CBB press conference...


Apr 14, 2022, 5:42 PM [ in reply to Yes, we absolutely have been missing that. ]

and CBB said he felt that Antonio Reynolds Dean left because he wanted to be closer to home, help save/resurrect the program and he was close to several of the assistants already there. He seemed to think it had little if anything to do with money when asked... "ahh I don't know, it might have been a little more money but it wasn't, I don't know, you'd have to ask, I don't know exactly why Antonio left but I'm speculating on some of those things obviously we talked about, I think there's is as much a pull to be home, right, I just think that's, and a challenge he was excited about." -CBB

Sounds like money wasn't the issue here. Maybe he got a raise, but it was interesting that CBB seemed to think that wasn't the main factor in this departure.




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It sounds like Brad doesn’t know.


Apr 14, 2022, 6:01 PM

I’m happy to admit I’m wrong if Reynolds-Dean’s salary at Georgia is less than it was here.

Most of these decisions are about several things, not just money. But surely you can agree that sometimes money can sway the decision one way or the other.

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Absolutely money can sway people…


Apr 14, 2022, 6:05 PM

and it may have played a part here as well, I just thought it was interesting that CBB didn’t seem to think it was the issue in this case.

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Apr 14, 2022, 6:12 PM [ in reply to It sounds like Brad doesn’t know. ]

Most bosses that want to keep a valued employee investigate what the offer is for the employee to leave and try to counter it if possible. I found it odd that Brad seemed to not know nor tried to counter offer to keep him. Perhaps he didn't want to air that information and so that is why he answered the way he did, but it seemed strange to me. If that were the case, saying he cannot get into specifics would have been a better response than implying he didn't know if he got a raise, in my opinion.

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Re: I listened to the CBB press conference...


Apr 14, 2022, 6:45 PM [ in reply to I listened to the CBB press conference... ]


and CBB said he felt that Antonio Reynolds Dean left because he wanted to be closer to home, help save/resurrect the program and he was close to several of the assistants already there. He seemed to think it had little if anything to do with money when asked... "ahh I don't know, it might have been a little more money but it wasn't, I don't know, you'd have to ask, I don't know exactly why Antonio left but I'm speculating on some of those things obviously we talked about, I think there's is as much a pull to be home, right, I just think that's, and a challenge he was excited about." -CBB

Sounds like money wasn't the issue here. Maybe he got a raise, but it was interesting that CBB seemed to think that wasn't the main factor in this departure.







Quick question: who was the last Clemson football coach who left the program for a job that was not a clear promotion? We pay the football coaches top five money and they never leave for a lateral gig. Folks say it’s not about the money but it’s almost always a factor.

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Apr 14, 2022, 6:19 PM [ in reply to Yes, we absolutely have been missing that. ]

How much did Brad give up to try and keep or to hire new assistants. Dabo did that!

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Apr 15, 2022, 7:05 AM [ in reply to Yes, we absolutely have been missing that. ]

How much did Brad give up to try and keep or to hire new assistants? Dabo did that!

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Apr 14, 2022, 2:33 PM [ in reply to I’ll give you an example. ]

I have said it before... "The players play their hearts out, but a team is only as good as the coaching staff." If that's what it takes I'm for it!!!
Go Tigers!!!

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Apr 14, 2022, 3:13 PM [ in reply to I’ll give you an example. ]

I thought we were doing that underfunding thingy to make us an underdog. Increases fan support because fans love rooting for the underdoggy.

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Apr 14, 2022, 3:28 PM [ in reply to I’ll give you an example. ]

It’s f*cking amazing. You continue to use junk numbers. You have no idea what constitutes the difference or what accounting practices VT or Clemson use. Those numbers are useless. Then, you don’t actually name a single actual thing VT is doing different. Not one. Because you don’t have any idea. It’s just stupid, circular rhetoric all the time. It’s so monotonous, just like Brad.

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maybe you are wrong, Judge.... read this...


Apr 14, 2022, 5:31 PM [ in reply to I’ll give you an example. ]


Virginia Tech, who has a comparably poor basketball history to us, spends $10.3 million a year on men’s basketball.

We spend just $7.9 million a year on men’s basketball.

Don’t you wonder what they are spending that extra $2.4 million on each year?

Hint: it’s the not flashy but vital stuff like assistant coaches’ salaries and support staff. These are the people that do a lot of the heavy lifting within a program, from coaching, to scouting, to recruiting, etc.

You can do this same exercise with most any ACC program, and you’ll see that virtually all of them are spending at least a million or two more as year on men’s basketball. Some are spending $10-$12 million more per year.

This should be very concerning if you are a Clemson basketball fan. It wouldn’t be allowed to stand for Clemson football. Why is it okay for Clemson basketball to be at such a disadvantage every year?!?





Click on compare to other schools at lower right on link and then click basketball.

https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2021/college-sports-finances-database-intercollegiate-1234646029/


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Apr 14, 2022, 5:38 PM

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Virginia Tech, who has a comparably poor basketball history to us, spends $10.3 million a year on men’s basketball.

We spend just $7.9 million a year on men’s basketball.

Don’t you wonder what they are spending that extra $2.4 million on each year?

Hint: it’s the not flashy but vital stuff like assistant coaches’ salaries and support staff. These are the people that do a lot of the heavy lifting within a program, from coaching, to scouting, to recruiting, etc.

You can do this same exercise with most any ACC program, and you’ll see that virtually all of them are spending at least a million or two more as year on men’s basketball. Some are spending $10-$12 million more per year.

This should be very concerning if you are a Clemson basketball fan. It wouldn’t be allowed to stand for Clemson football. Why is it okay for Clemson basketball to be at such a disadvantage every year?!?





Click on compare to other schools at lower right on link and then click basketball.

https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2021/college-sports-finances-database-intercollegiate-1234646029/




click on 20-21 too. ahead of Va Tech on spending...

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The information I referenced was from the U.S. Department of Education.


Apr 14, 2022, 6:07 PM

I believe that data was a couple of years old.

It’s interesting that the link you shared shows that we actually decreased our basketball spending. It was $7.9 million a couple of years ago, and now it’s $6.8 million.

That’s very concerning if true.

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Apr 14, 2022, 7:25 PM


I believe that data was a couple of years old.

It’s interesting that the link you shared shows that we actually decreased our basketball spending. It was $7.9 million a couple of years ago, and now it’s $6.8 million.

That’s very concerning if true.


It was 20-21 the Covid year. Clemson was rated 35th in the country better than Va Tech.

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The troll won’t respond to this. Current info says we spend


Apr 15, 2022, 7:20 AM

MORE than the castrated turkeys - and get WAY less performance.


And the troll’s response is that WOW - if true - “we are spending less on basketball than we used to spend on it. That’s concerning” …..

Totally ignoring his own starting info that “for example, Va Tech spends way more than us” …….

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Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program?


Apr 14, 2022, 3:45 PM

I'll try to give a serious reply. first a little background. never missed a game during 6 seasons as a student (undergrad and grad). season tix holder for over 40 years now. roughly a 2 hour drive to games. missed i think 3 acc home games over that period and #### few non conf games, so i think i have some street cred.

how do we improve the game experience?

thought student attendance/participation was pretty good this year. t-shirt giveaways were a nice touch. perhaps encourage some competitions between student frats/groups/clubs. don't think we need more/better student seats at this time. when i see numerous students in the upper deck then we'll talk.

we need to do something about the "club' seats. understand the $$ they create. the problem is they are rarely more than half full and a lot of those are in the club area eating and drinking instead of cheering and helping the atmosphere. perhaps shut down food/drink service 5-10 minutes before tip and the last couple of minutes of half time. offer some sort of incentive for folks to turn those tix in if they're not coming. potential buyers and/or current season tix holders could be put in a lottery or something to upgrade for a game... and their tix then used for resale or students.

a lot of lower bowl season tix seem to go unused. we have the technology to tell if that tix was scanned. if a season tix is not used over a certain % of games, contact that buyer and put them on "probation". tell them if they're tix aren't used enough, they can still buy tix but they will be moved to a less desirable location, creating some decent seats to encourage new tix buyers.

do a better job directing traffic. it is basically a cluster trying to get in and out.

how do we improve the product on the floor? captain obvious says "get better players". And i think we are moving that way. give basketball another position or 3 focused on nothing but recruiting (high school, juco, portal, even foreign kids). I think we could/should do a better job recruiting foreign kids. biggest problem with them is usually transcripts.. not that they're not smart, but their high school courses don't always get approved.

coach better. giving a current coach a raise isn't going to make him coach better. but maybe taking some duties off an asst, by hiring more support staff, will. IMO, raises to current assts/staff simply sets the salary scale for when you make another hire. If Brad is given a bigger salary pool, I just don't see him firing a guy and going out and hiring another guy at a higher salary. of course there are many ways to encourage guys to leave, to reassign someone (see pearman and caldwell in football) etc. Those type guys can still be very valuable assets.

support the program as much and however you can.

just one old man's opinion.

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Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program?


Apr 14, 2022, 3:56 PM

Some good observations.

"Get better players"? How about losing our best player for many years and to top that off

to the Coots

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:13 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]


I'll try to give a serious reply. first a little background. never missed a game during 6 seasons as a student (undergrad and grad). season tix holder for over 40 years now. roughly a 2 hour drive to games. missed i think 3 acc home games over that period and #### few non conf games, so i think i have some street cred.

how do we improve the game experience?

thought student attendance/participation was pretty good this year. t-shirt giveaways were a nice touch. perhaps encourage some competitions between student frats/groups/clubs. don't think we need more/better student seats at this time. when i see numerous students in the upper deck then we'll talk.

we need to do something about the "club' seats. understand the $$ they create. the problem is they are rarely more than half full and a lot of those are in the club area eating and drinking instead of cheering and helping the atmosphere. perhaps shut down food/drink service 5-10 minutes before tip and the last couple of minutes of half time. offer some sort of incentive for folks to turn those tix in if they're not coming. potential buyers and/or current season tix holders could be put in a lottery or something to upgrade for a game... and their tix then used for resale or students.

a lot of lower bowl season tix seem to go unused. we have the technology to tell if that tix was scanned. if a season tix is not used over a certain % of games, contact that buyer and put them on "probation". tell them if they're tix aren't used enough, they can still buy tix but they will be moved to a less desirable location, creating some decent seats to encourage new tix buyers.

do a better job directing traffic. it is basically a cluster trying to get in and out.

how do we improve the product on the floor? captain obvious says "get better players". And i think we are moving that way. give basketball another position or 3 focused on nothing but recruiting (high school, juco, portal, even foreign kids). I think we could/should do a better job recruiting foreign kids. biggest problem with them is usually transcripts.. not that they're not smart, but their high school courses don't always get approved.

coach better. giving a current coach a raise isn't going to make him coach better. but maybe taking some duties off an asst, by hiring more support staff, will. IMO, raises to current assts/staff simply sets the salary scale for when you make another hire. If Brad is given a bigger salary pool, I just don't see him firing a guy and going out and hiring another guy at a higher salary. of course there are many ways to encourage guys to leave, to reassign someone (see pearman and caldwell in football) etc. Those type guys can still be very valuable assets.

support the program as much and however you can.

just one old man's opinion.




I have often advocated general admission for all seats on non conference and the coot games. $10 to get in the door and sit where you want to sit

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:44 PM

I have often advocated general admission for all seats on non conference and the coot games. $10 to get in the door and sit where you want to sit.

a sure fire way to #### off your season tix holders. now if you want to do that with tix that aren't sold as season tix... maybe. they all ready do pretty deep discounts on a lot of those early season out of conf games.

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:45 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

I have often advocated general admission for all seats on non conference and the coot games. $10 to get in the door and sit where you want to sit.

a sure fire way to #### off your season tix holders. now if you want to do that with tix that aren't sold as season tix... maybe. they all ready do pretty deep discounts on a lot of those early season out of conf games.

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Hard to argue w/ any of that! Especially the “club seating”


Apr 14, 2022, 4:45 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

If this big donor money is critical, there is certainly no tangible proof that the money is buying any sort of increased level of success.

I hate the appearance all those empty seats on TV. It looks pathetic.

We need to hide those empty seats from the TV cameras somehow. And I agree ... open them up to other fans if the tix are not scanned by 15 minutes after the tip off.

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Apr 14, 2022, 5:22 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

It’s all about a coach that can recruit. Coach has to have great energy and a charismatic personality.

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Defund it?


Apr 14, 2022, 3:49 PM

Burn it to the ground?

Maybe go higher a serious coach?

Hire Dawn Staley?

Don’t laugh. That’s actually sneaky brilliant for a lot of reasons. Even after I wrote it I was laughing then it hit me. That actually could work for a lot of reasons!

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Apr 14, 2022, 4:10 PM


Burn it to the ground?

Maybe go higher a serious coach?

Hire Dawn Staley?

Don’t laugh. That’s actually sneaky brilliant for a lot of reasons. Even after I wrote it I was laughing then it hit me. That actually could work for a lot of reasons!




While I have often questioned your mental acuity the hire Staley comment is brilliant. While I think the blind squirrel rule is in play I have to give you props.

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Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program?


Apr 14, 2022, 4:52 PM

When we played St. Bonaventure in Charleston, the arena was probably 75% full of fans of the Bonnies. For the game to be played in South Carolina, and the Tigers having to react as visitors, was embarrassing.

What kind of effort was made to attract alumni/IPTAY members in the Charleston area to that game? My guess is nothing. But a simple email costs nothing...just a little effort and interest.

The administration could start with things like that...make basketball matter.

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Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program?


Apr 14, 2022, 6:41 PM

TigerRob said:

When we played St. Bonaventure in Charleston, the arena was probably 75% full of fans of the Bonnies. For the game to be played in South Carolina, and the Tigers having to react as visitors, was embarrassing.

What kind of effort was made to attract alumni/IPTAY members in the Charleston area to that game? My guess is nothing. But a simple email costs nothing...just a little effort and interest.

The administration could start with things like that...make basketball matter.




The Bonnie’s live for bball while it is maybe top six on Clemson’s campus. Recruits know this which has an impact

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Apr 14, 2022, 7:42 PM [ in reply to Re: What Should the Administration do to Help The Basketball Program? ]

TigerRob said:

When we played St. Bonaventure in Charleston, the arena was probably 75% full of fans of the Bonnies. For the game to be played in South Carolina, and the Tigers having to react as visitors, was embarrassing.

What kind of effort was made to attract alumni/IPTAY members in the Charleston area to that game? My guess is nothing. But a simple email costs nothing...just a little effort and interest.

The administration could start with things like that...make basketball matter.


Yes, in 2009 when the Tigers played in the Charleston Classic Championship where they beat Temple that made it to the NCAAT it was 70 percent full of Tiger fans.

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