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Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 9:29 AM
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I'm looking forward to seeing some of you eat your words about this staff.
Who's first?
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Let me be the first to
Mar 3, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Post a cookie monster gif.
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 9:36 AM
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And here's a side dish of humble pie
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 9:36 AM
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NCAA tournament here we come!!!
Still look forward to a new staff. Brad always seems to do just enough to somehow keep his job. That is a pretty low bar to set.
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Anyone who’s been around for the last 12 years should’ve known
Mar 3, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Brad would eventually get things turned around for the better…..or worse depending on how things are going with the basketball team.
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Fairweather fans now coming out of the woodwork.............
Mar 3, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Re: Fairweather fans now coming out of the woodwork.............
Mar 3, 2022, 11:36 AM
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please,oh please.don't ever do that to us again.now i'm going to have a migrain.
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We are better than we were predicted to be!
Mar 3, 2022, 9:46 AM
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We are currently 10th and were predicted to be 11th!
Hallelujah!
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Re: We are better than we were predicted to be!
Mar 3, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Exceeding low expectations = contract extension
That is how we roll, baby!
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Re: We are better than we were predicted to be!
Mar 3, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Most babies figure out how to walk before they are 12
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Re: We are better than we were predicted to be!
Mar 4, 2022, 12:15 AM
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a baby has to take small steps before it can run.we shouldn't be greedy.
12-year-old kids are NOT babies and don't take baby steps. Some 12 y.o. kids can walk and chew gum.
Why does BB have a disappointing team (that must take baby steps) every year?
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 10:00 AM
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In a year when the ACC is as bad as it has been in 4 decades
Mar 3, 2022, 10:48 AM
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and Clemson is only .500 fully supports the position that CBB and his staff aren't capable of leading the program out of mediocrity.
At the end of the day, just three NCAAT appearances in twelve years (one of which was with another coaches players) is totally, completely, and entirely unacceptable by any and every measure or standard.
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The next game will decide the fate of my strong opinion
Mar 3, 2022, 11:01 AM
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Winning record and I'm buying Brownlee PJ's.... losing record and I'm reaching for the pitchfork.
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Brownell won one game he should have lost - to
Mar 3, 2022, 11:19 AM
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last place Georgia Tech at home. What about all the games he should have won and lost? For the sake of brevity, I will only name this season's games (there is not enough time or space to name all of them):
Two games at the Charleston tournament, at Miami, Georgia Tech, and FSU, home against BC (my personal favorite) and UNC. If Clemson had won 4 of those games, we would be in consideration for the NCAA tournament with a win against Va. Tech on Saturday and one win in the ACC tourney and a lock for the NIT if not. Instead, Clemson has a very, very slim and unlikely chance of an NIT bid.
Keep Brownell if you love mediocrity. Why not TRY for better results?
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Re: Brownell won one game he should have lost - to
Mar 3, 2022, 11:50 AM
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not TRYing because it might offend those in nc.isn't it enough that CU owns everyone on tobacco rd. in football?let's not be greedy.
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Re: So in other words...
Mar 3, 2022, 12:35 PM
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I think you're kidding but this really is a fish or cut bait season. The contract was restructured to give him the all-important 4 years for recruiting. He'll go into the 2022-23 season with only 3 more years left on his contract. The conventional logic for many years has been you can't ask a coach to go out and recruit kids if they can't promise those kids that the coach will be there for all 4 years (I don't agree with this logic, but it has been the standard in football and basketball for a long time). Brownell would not still have a job without this logic. He has immediately disappointed after every extension. Giving Brownell an extension, even one year, after this season would be a terrible first more for this new AD. So, he either calls bs on the very logic that has enabled Brownell's tenure and lets him coach with less than 4 years remaining or has to let him go. Is this young AD willing to buck the prevailing belief of most in his position? If he does and next year is equally bad or worse, he's going to shoulder a chunk of the blame. If he makes a coaching change it will be several years before anyone looks to criticize him for it (unless the coaching search is a disaster).
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Re: So in other words...
Mar 3, 2022, 1:02 PM
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I think you're kidding but this really is a fish or cut bait season. The contract was restructured to give him the all-important 4 years for recruiting. He'll go into the 2022-23 season with only 3 more years left on his contract. The conventional logic for many years has been you can't ask a coach to go out and recruit kids if they can't promise those kids that the coach will be there for all 4 years (I don't agree with this logic, but it has been the standard in football and basketball for a long time). Brownell would not still have a job without this logic. He has immediately disappointed after every extension. Giving Brownell an extension, even one year, after this season would be a terrible first more for this new AD. So, he either calls bs on the very logic that has enabled Brownell's tenure and lets him coach with less than 4 years remaining or has to let him go. Is this young AD willing to buck the prevailing belief of most in his position? If he does and next year is equally bad or worse, he's going to shoulder a chunk of the blame. If he makes a coaching change it will be several years before anyone looks to criticize him for it (unless the coaching search is a disaster).
Great point!
If Neff keeps Brad, but does not give an extension, Brad only has three years to get the next cycle of recruits to commit. He might as well look for another job. I wouldn't be surprised if Brad takes the Evansville job that opened up. He is from there and his parents still live there.
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That's the concern...
Mar 3, 2022, 1:27 PM
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If the University doesn't change it approach to hiring basketball coaches, it's going to be just another "wash, rinse, repeat" scenario and we'll be having this exact same discussion in a few more years.
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Is the 12 years Brad had like a really bad broken down
Mar 3, 2022, 2:29 PM
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Washing machine or is it the eco cycle bc pretty sure 12 years doesn’t fit your description of wash rinse repeat
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I'm talking more about the schools hiring pattern...
Mar 3, 2022, 3:28 PM
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of establishing a salary range and then trying to find someone willing to take the job for the money Clemson is willing to pay as opposed to identifying the best person available and being willing to pay whatever it takes to get them.
This has been the pattern with every wimminz hoops coach since Jim Davis was let go, every volleyball coach since Jolene Hoover resigned, and it was also the case with Larry Shyatt, Rick Barnes, Oliver Purnell, Brad Brownell, Monte Lee, Mike Noonan, and Dabo.
Sometimes they get lucky which was the case with Dabo and Mike Noonan.
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Re: I'm talking more about the schools hiring pattern...
Mar 3, 2022, 6:39 PM
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Completely agree - but what Dabo and Mike demonstrate is that in today’s sports economy if the coach is successful the school will do what it takes to keep that coach. We can’t get there in basketball until we start spinning the wheel. Monte Lee and Brad Brownell have both already been given more latitude than coaches of similar accomplishments would at comparable programs. Chad Holbrook was the anointed one at South Carolina and made two Super Regionals and was fired after 5 seasons. Monte Lee has made no super regionals and just coached the worst season of Clemson baseball in most of our lifetimes and is limping into year 7. The Brad Brownell saga is almost comical at this point. That any one would argue that he should come back for a 13th season so he can maybe do just good enough to get yet another extension and tie us to another 3-4 of his well demonstrated mediocrity is astounding. There is no coach in his 12 season at a P5 school with as few accomplishments as BB. It’s not even close.
Final note, Noonan was a great hire. Dabo was pure dumb luck.
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 11:30 AM
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3 games doesn't override a coaches performance or outlook for the future after 12 years
of inconsistent basketball.
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 11:52 AM
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inconsistent is being charitable.
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 12:05 PM
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I've noticed through the years that our team really just quits about January. It might be lack of conditioning, or maybe just a mental letdown, but often we roar though the early season and peak right after New Years, about when the ACC schedule begins.
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 4:03 PM
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If history is our guide, next year will be a good year. Check out the track record after a down year during his tenure:
12-13: 13-18 (5-13 in conference)
13-14: NIT Semifinal (10-8 in conference)
16-17: 6-12 in conference
17-18: Sweet 16 (11-7 in conference)
19-20: 9-11 in conference
20-21: NCAA 1st Rd (10-6)
21-22: 8-12 is best possible finish in conference
22-23: ??
I like what they have arriving at point guard (some size for once). Hall is the foundation. Middlebrooks and Schieffelin are showing growth and expect they will continue to contribute more. Hit the transfer portal as needed to improve. Beadle is the unknown right now.
So I guess I’m of the thinking to hold for another season vs. tearing down what’s under construction for next year.
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 3, 2022, 12:12 PM
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I'm happy!
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sorry, i am a stress eater
Mar 3, 2022, 12:33 PM
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and do not want to ruin my vocabulary.
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Re: sorry, i am a stress eater
Mar 3, 2022, 1:37 PM
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Don’t really understand the 4 year deal. I do but I don’t in a way. Give a guy that’s average 4 years and it’s 50/50 on a buyout in hoping something changes. Seems like a loss for the admin unless you just make the buyout stupid low and then he probably wouldn’t sign anyways. Not sure if a guy that comes and plays for Brownell would care a whole lot on us keeping him. Figure we would just be his best offer.
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I’ve said Brownlee was a below average coach.
Mar 3, 2022, 1:45 PM
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Right now he’s average.
Dagnabbit!!!
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~JKB
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Mar 3, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 4, 2022, 12:16 AM
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I'm looking forward to seeing some of you eat your words about this staff.
Who's first?
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Re: Now that we are 15-15 in basketball...
Mar 4, 2022, 12:18 AM
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I'm looking forward to seeing some of you eat your words about this staff.
Who's first?
FM, I was Lol-ing so hard I broke my sarcasm meter.
But that was a great joke! Thx!!
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