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VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 8:30 AM
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Why not Clemson?
It bothers me when I read posts by some on Tigernet using Clemson’s history as to why we should not accept much. Why pay, history, facilities keep us from expecting more.
Let’s probe.
History
Clemson historical record - .507
VT - .547
Nothing here, especially when you factor in Clemson playing in the ACC since 1953. Until recently, the ACC was the leader.
ACC standing regular season since 2015
Clemson average is 8
VT is 6
ACC wins since 2015
Clemson is 2 games BELOW .500
VT is 13 games ABOVE .500
Coach pay
Brad B - $2.6M
Mike Young - $2.5m
Facilities
Littlejohn - 9000 seats, built in 1968 - recently updated and seats removed.
Cassell - 10,000 seats , built in 1963
NCAA
Clemson - 13 - since 2015 - 2 times
VT - 12 - since 2015 - 4 times
Coaches since 2000
Clemson 3
VT 5
Even when outperforming Clemson - VT still expects more from their coach.
Summary
VT simply outperforms Clemson. They are now in the finals of the ACC tournament. They expect more and are comfortable changing leadership when they don’t get it. They don’t pay more, have better facilities, or have a better history. They expect more from a coach than running a clean program and being a nice man.
Then, add to that - Clemson should have a huge recruiting advantage over VT as the PAW is recognized nationwide due to football. A good recruiter would make that pay dividends.
It is well past time for a change.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Great example.
Virginia Tech was like Clemson. Lost Buzz Williams just like when Clemson lost Oliver Purnell. But they hired a good replacement in Mike Young. First three years likely 2 NCAATs. Brad just had 1 in his first three years in his first season with OP's players.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 8:41 AM
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Plus their previous coach was recruited to TaM and just beat #4 Auburn.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 8:42 AM
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Thank goodness we aren't VT with their sorry football program and empty Natty trophy case.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 8:47 AM
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The reference was to basketball...
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 8:50 AM
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Why not Clemson?
It bothers me when I read posts by some on Tigernet using Clemson’s history as to why we should not accept much. Why pay, history, facilities keep us from expecting more.
Let’s probe.
History
Clemson historical record - .507
VT - .547
Nothing here, especially when you factor in Clemson playing in the ACC since 1953. Until recently, the ACC was the leader.
ACC standing regular season since 2015
Clemson average is 8
VT is 6
ACC wins since 2015
Clemson is 2 games BELOW .500
VT is 13 games ABOVE .500
Coach pay
Brad B - $2.6M
Mike Young - $2.5m
Facilities
Littlejohn - 9000 seats, built in 1968 - recently updated and seats removed.
Cassell - 10,000 seats , built in 1963
NCAA
Clemson - 13 - since 2015 - 2 times
VT - 12 - since 2015 - 4 times
Coaches since 2000
Clemson 3
VT 5
Even when outperforming Clemson - VT still expects more from their coach.
Summary
VT simply outperforms Clemson. They are now in the finals of the ACC tournament. They expect more and are comfortable changing leadership when they don’t get it. They don’t pay more, have better facilities, or have a better history. They expect more from a coach than running a clean program and being a nice man.
Then, add to that - Clemson should have a huge recruiting advantage over VT as the PAW is recognized nationwide due to football. A good recruiter would make that pay dividends.
It is well past time for a change.
Virginia is a more populated state and that area is better for basketball recruiting. You don't know what you are talking about which is typical of the football fan boys.
Mike Young had a losing season his first season at Va Tech coming off a 26 win season with the previous coach. He lost in the first round of the NCAA last year, same as Clemson.
Brownell beat Va Tech the game after Va Tech beat Louisville by 32 and won at Miami. Mike Young almost choked a 14 point second half coach to a team coached by a bad coach in your view. Keep in mind our best defensive player, David Collins, had fouled out and the players missed a lot of free throws in the game.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:22 AM
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It seems like you are posting on this forum 24-7, mostly lobbying for the basketball coach to be fired.
For a guy who presents himself as a basketball whiz, you seem to think Clemson should be outrecruiting Virginia schools, because, wait for it, football.
If you and the other bitter people on here were Va Tech fans, you wouldn't agree Clemson should be able to outrecruit VA Tech. You are just Clemson fanboying but presenting yourself as some kind of objective college basketball expert.
It is also funny that you think Clemson was a lock to get Mike Young. Mike knows as well as anybody that winning at Clemson in basketball as a member of the ACC is a big challenge and is in no way comparable to Clemson's situation in football where being one of the most southern universities gives us a big advantage.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:31 AM
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Okay Judge
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 11:07 AM
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So Judge,
What is your stance on Brownell's low win percentage (37.4%) in close scoring games over his tenure here? Is that a sign to you that he is weak when it comes to coaching through an end game? Or does it say something else? It's not a blip on the radar - it's been consistent since he started here.
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Seriously - that’s the best you have?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:06 AM
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You made me laugh with your post. All it did was make you look bad.
You state that VA is more populated and a “better recruiting state”. Lol. Did you even bother to look at their roster?
Not a SINGLE player from their roster is from VA.
Too funny. Try again.
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Wow! Virginia is so far away, no way we could recruit there!
Mar 12, 2022, 9:07 AM
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And nice apology there at the end. That’s just it how many times are y’all going to say but a player was injured, but someone fouled, but . . . This isn’t a one time occurrence. Every year next year is the year and then injuries, and those mean old referees, and those players just aren’t listening. I can think of only one thing that is the exact same each year.
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Re: Wow! Virginia is so far away, no way we could recruit there!
Mar 12, 2022, 9:13 AM
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And nice apology there at the end. That’s just it how many times are y’all going to say but a player was injured, but someone fouled, but . . . This isn’t a one time occurrence. Every year next year is the year and then injuries, and those mean old referees, and those players just aren’t listening. I can think of only one thing that is the exact same each year.
This.
That last part is Brad's presser after every loss. Also, a lot of "brutal" after last second loses...
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Young is a better recruiter and better strategist than BB. He outcoached BB in the final seconds of our game. No surprise there. BB’s record in close games is laughable.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 12:47 PM
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What a stupid thing to say.
Here's Va Tech's roster:
Nahiem Alleyne G 6-4 195 Jr Buford, GA
22 Keve Aluma F 6-9 235 Sr Berlin, MD
0 Hunter Cattoor G 6-3 200 Jr Orlando, FL
11 Jalen Haynes F 6-8 250 Fr Ft. Lauderdale, FL
10 Camden Johnson G 6-1 175 Fr Waxhaw, NC
15 Lynn Kidd C 6-10 240 Soph Gainesville, FL
13 Darius Maddox G 6-5 185 Soph Bowie, MD
5 Storm Murphy G 6-0 185 Sr Middleton, WI
25 Justyn Mutts F 6-7 230 Sr Millville, NJ
1 David N'Guessan F 6-9 205 Soph —
21 John Ojiako C 6-10 245 Jr —
3 Sean Pedulla G 6-1 190 Fr Edmond, OK
14 Ben Varga G 5-10 170 Fr Louisville, KY
Not a single player from Virgia.
and you've never been to Va Tech, right?
MUCH less desirable location than Clemson.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 13, 2022, 1:15 PM
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Winning programs that win a lot, they can recruit good players from about anywhere. Worrying about recruiting in a less populated state as SC, that will keep that team mediocre. Got to do as Dabo, go after the best recruits regardless of what state they're in, and you will get lucky and pull some of the best out of other states. You don't have to get them all, just one here and there, and you have a winner, just ask Dabo about that!!!!
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:10 AM
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What has VT done that Clemson hasn't? Was Clemson not in the ACC Tourney Championship game in 2008. Lost and runner up but still VT will get curb stomped by the Blue Demon's tonight.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Yeah, but doing these things now as opposed to 2008...
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Basketball is an easy game if you shoot well, rebound and get turnovers. No secret plans just execute.
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They have a legit Power 5 head coach....
Mar 12, 2022, 9:54 AM
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While we are trying to win in the ACC with mid major at best.....
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 9:55 AM
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Ok, take VT and any other team out of the equation. Here's CBB record this season which compares to all but 3 seasons (25%) of his tenure. If 25% success rate acceptable, keep him. If not, hire someone else.
His record this year:
1-5 - quad 1 - win was VA Tech
3-7 - quad 2
7-4 - quad 3
6-0 - quad 4 (PC, chas south, miami Ohio)
4-12 (vs quad 1 and 2 (0-2 vs ranked) )
11-16 (vs q1, q2, and q3)
4-12 against q1,q2 teams is pitiful. Btw- his teams that went to the NCAA tournament were not very successful against quad 1 teams. So even though we went to a few tournaments and one sweet 16 in 12 years, we're NOT competing with top 50 teams. Top 50 teams we're dismall.
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Well, in this tourney they hit a walkoff three vs…
Mar 12, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 11:14 AM
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Mike Young is a heckuva coach. Peterson before him was good too. But it’s the Va recruiting area that makes the difference.
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Do you even look at our rosters before saying that?
Mar 12, 2022, 11:19 AM
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They have someone from Netherlands and Nigeria. A Florida a Georgia a nc a couple of marylands. Maybe the md you can say is more their area. But we have Florida ga New Jersey a couple of Ohio. Virginia has almost nothing to do with it. Like I said maybe I’ll give you the mds
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 12:28 PM
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If VT is the comparison you want to make I'd say Clemson is close to that. Them not us because they hit a timely bucket.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 12:35 PM
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Exactly right and we missed a timely free throw. Not much difference in the 2 teams.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 12, 2022, 12:48 PM
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Except like clockwork we are sitting at home watching the last rounds of the ACCT instead of competing in them.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 13, 2022, 6:09 AM
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Well, another team with same or less resources and history has now won the ACC tourney. There is no barrier for us doing the same. Other than a fresh start at coach.
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Re: VT in final game - why are they more successful?
Mar 13, 2022, 8:54 AM
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8 Words:
VT is not interested in the status quo.
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