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Bret...Coach BV has had numerous opportunities...
Nov 29, 2021, 12:13 PM
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to become a head coach.
There is a very good reason why is is still at Clemson and he has said so himself on many prior occasions.
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Re: Bret...Coach BV has had numerous opportunities...
Nov 29, 2021, 12:28 PM
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He has not had the opportunity to coach Oklahoma.
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His comments since he came to Clemson in 2012 seem to
Nov 29, 2021, 12:53 PM
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point him toward remaining a DC.
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Re: His comments since he came to Clemson in 2012 seem to
Nov 29, 2021, 1:07 PM
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at Clemson.
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I agree with your comment...
Nov 29, 2021, 12:44 PM
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Whether Brent leaves or not depends on what he wants. It's pretty obvious that he's "happy" doing what he does... and he might be the best in the country at it. If he wants the prestige of being called a Head Coach, then it's available to him-- and has been for a number of years. I really don't think that interests him, but only he knows for sure. I'm sure his family doesn't "want" for anything with him making $2.5MM/year, but the bucks available to a Head Coach at a prestigious Univ are quite a lure. But, then, you've got to put up with a bunch of political crap that goes along with it.
My gut says he's doing what he wants to do, and making a s__t load of money doing it... I think he stays. We'll see.
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Re: I agree with your comment...
Nov 29, 2021, 12:56 PM
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Glad the offense finally got untracked. Between injuries and staying on the field so much he was probably starting to get tired.
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Re: Thinking this IS the time & THE Job to leave for.
Nov 29, 2021, 1:56 PM
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I agree LB. How do you turn down 10-12 million a year and a 5 yr. contract at one of the top FB programs in the country? You don't. And Dabo would be the first to tell him. And Norman, Okie is not a bad place to live.
BV may have seen the handwriting on the wall at CU this yr. If it had not been for his Defense, the Tigers would have finished 4-8 and not 9-3. As long as TE and DJU, but esp. TE are the offense, CU is not about to ever sniff a natty and Venable knows it. He may be tired of carrying the team on his back and hearing Dabo call TE a genius.
BV also knows that with TE and no NFL caliber QB and NFL caliber players on offense like DW and Treavor had, CU is NEVER going to sniff a natty with TE as OC. BV can go to Oklahoma, earn 12 million plus a year vs. 2.5 million a year and have an OC and players that can get him to a natty. BV leaving will be a huge blow to Tiger FB. No telling how many commits decommit and no telling how many enter transfer portal.
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+400 is an implied probability of 20%
Nov 29, 2021, 12:13 PM
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I figure every year there is at least a 20% chance that Venables will end up with a head coaching position, so I'm not any more concerned than usual.
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Re: +400 is an implied probability of 20%
Nov 29, 2021, 12:24 PM
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So you think in a year that So Miss and S FL are looking, the odds are the same that he will leave?
Do you think we are flipping coins here? This isn’t stats 301, it’s based on emotion.
There is no bigger fan of BV than me, but this OK opp should worry any real fan of the Tigers…
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Why
Nov 29, 2021, 12:26 PM
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Why should I be worried about something I have no control over and can do nothing about?
Don't get me wrong, I'd hate to lose him, but I don't see any value in worrying over it.
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No one said worrying had value.***
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I'm explaining why I don't worry about it
Nov 29, 2021, 12:34 PM
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To each their own
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I think the odds of OU selecting Venables as HC is quite low
Nov 29, 2021, 12:32 PM
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so...I don't know how to answer your question. If offered, yes, OU would be nearly impossible to turn down. I highly doubt he's offered though, and in fact think the odds are much lower than the implied +400 betting line.
I feel once Tyler and Jake have graduated / moved on, he'll be much more likely to take the best HC job available to him. That's just my opinion though.
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Venables played at Kansas State, and everybody thought he
Nov 29, 2021, 1:00 PM
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was going to go to Kansas State when their head coach Bill Synder retired. Well, Bill Synder retired in 2018 and Venables did not pursue that job.
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Re: +400 is an implied probability of 20%
Nov 29, 2021, 12:26 PM
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I do believe that Venables will leave Clemson to be a head coach at some point in time. However, at this time I believe all the reasons that Riley left Oklahoma will impact Venables' decision.
I also agree with Plyler that the emphasis is on the offense these days. Not sure Oklahoma goes with a defensive guy at this point.
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Re: +400 is an implied probability of 20%
Nov 29, 2021, 1:12 PM
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For what it is worth, Oklahoma will need an elite defense to win the sec. offense wins games but defense still wins championships.
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I can be wrong, I don't think Venables wants to be a HC.
Nov 29, 2021, 12:18 PM
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Has it made here at Clemson and makes good money and less hassle.
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Re: I can be wrong, I don't think Venables wants to be a HC.
Nov 29, 2021, 12:35 PM
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This is exactly what I think as well. His stock has been high for a long time and he hasnt moved.
I understand that OK was his home, but think about the expectations of that job and what will actually happen when they enter the SEC. The pressure will continue to be huge, but the opportunity to succeed will drop dramatically.
I think that job is suited to an up and comer that wants that pressure.
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Most important person in our football program. IMO
Nov 29, 2021, 12:20 PM
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And I LOVE Dabo.
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Re: Most important person in our football program. IMO
Nov 29, 2021, 12:34 PM
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Definitely. IMO, Dabo is the personality of the program and Venables is the football brain that drives the program.
That's not a slight against Dabo, many of the most successful head coaches the same can be said of.
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Yes. It does.***
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Nov 29, 2021, 12:32 PM
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I think OU would be lucky to have him. Would take
Nov 29, 2021, 12:29 PM
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his personality, character, passion, ethics and football mind over any of their other candidates. If he wants the job, I hope he gets it. If he is happy as the DC at Clemson then that will be awesome for us. Either way I’m not worrying.
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This is about the 4th source
Nov 29, 2021, 12:29 PM
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For BV to Oklahoma I have seen ever since riley confirmed he was out.
There will be 50 more.
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Re: This is about the 4th source
Nov 29, 2021, 12:33 PM
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I think he will definitely be contacted if there first couple of established HC turn them down.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 12:31 PM
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Honestly, he would be stupid not to go. You don't turn down a Oklahoma head coaches job.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 12:33 PM
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I do not believe Oklahoma is going to hire a first time head coach. Remember that BV was a little peeved that they brought Stoops brother back and moved sole defensive coordinator title from BV and made him co-defensive coordinator. Whether that matters or not who knows because BV knows this is a business so it may be water under the bridge already. I think Oklahoma is going to go after the Kiffin's of the world maybe a Campbell. Heck they may even throw a dart in the dark and see if Dabo is interested but while I believe BV will be considered I just don't think first time head coach will be their move. Keep in mind BV was in a quarrel about taking the Auburn job last year which is where he would have been this year if he hadn't of changed his mind. See BV knows the headaches related to being a head coach so his options are taking a head coaching gig and if it doesn't work out being fired in 2 or 3 years or remain at Clemson making head coach money worrying about one segment of a team. So we will see. All I do know is that BV has earned being a head coach at a top notch program and if he were to decide to leave that Dabo has had his contingency plan laid out years ago.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 12:38 PM
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Here is what I predict (not that it is worth much). Clemson raises BV salary to 3 mil a year and he gets to recruit like Dabo (does not travel much anymore). Who would not want that! and Hey if Dabo ever leaves he could take over here.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 1:01 PM
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Not sure why people keep saying Oklahoma wants to hire a proven head coach. Their last two hires had not been head coaches and both were extremely successful. Coach V said that last offseason was the closest he has come to taking a head coaches job which I found pretty surprising given I felt he would want to erase the memories of the OSU playoff game. The fact is we have no idea what factors come into play for these decisions, even with sons on your team.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 1:15 PM
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I do not believe Oklahoma is going to hire a first time head coach. Remember that BV was a little peeved that they brought Stoops brother back and moved sole defensive coordinator title from BV and made him co-defensive coordinator. Whether that matters or not who knows because BV knows this is a business so it may be water under the bridge already. I think Oklahoma is going to go after the Kiffin's of the world maybe a Campbell. Heck they may even throw a dart in the dark and see if Dabo is interested but while I believe BV will be considered I just don't think first time head coach will be their move. Keep in mind BV was in a quarrel about taking the Auburn job last year which is where he would have been this year if he hadn't of changed his mind. See BV knows the headaches related to being a head coach so his options are taking a head coaching gig and if it doesn't work out being fired in 2 or 3 years or remain at Clemson making head coach money worrying about one segment of a team. So we will see. All I do know is that BV has earned being a head coach at a top notch program and if he were to decide to leave that Dabo has had his contingency plan laid out years ago.
2-3 million is not elite college head coach money sorry. Not when saban is making 18 and riley will likely be making 12+ at usc. The bar has been moved.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 12:38 PM
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Actual question: What were the odds Lincoln Riley was going to take the USC job?
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 12:39 PM
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He still has one son at Clemson too. If it wasn’t for that I would say he is gone 100%. But I feel he stays at least one more season.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 1:00 PM
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Not what I wanted to hear, but Coach V has to do what is right for him. We can hope he is still at home in Clemson.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 1:18 PM
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Kansas State.
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 1:27 PM
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I think BV stays a couple years more until the K-State job opens up again. Then he can take the K-State retirement package and hire his sons at 200K a year (by then) to be position coaches.
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They ran him out of town .. why would he want to go back?***
Nov 29, 2021, 2:01 PM
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Same with Dabo and Bama. We good.***
Nov 29, 2021, 2:04 PM
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Re: Venables and Oklahoma.
Nov 29, 2021, 3:28 PM
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Would highly doubt Venables goes to OK because OK wants offensive fb not defensive fb
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