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UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 12:57 AM
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I have a friend who is a small donor and close to the program at UVA. He texted me yesterday morning (before Tony flew up) asking about him.
He had some insight which I think explains what's going on at UVA:
He said the biggest issue is the donors, who have the money, has a LOT of control over the situation. They are willing to shell out for a head coach to succeed, and the money is there, but they want to be happy with the hire,....they want it be "their guy". He's convinced the big donors stopped giving to get Bronco out.
Basically, the stand off is they will give more, if they get the "big name", otherwise, they hold their donations hostage.
In short, he said it's toxic b/c the donors know their power and they are flexing it.
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This is UVa, right?
Dec 10, 2021, 1:06 AM
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One guy has already turned them down. Elliott would be the second one. The leverage of these donors to get a big name seems very weak.
Did your friend mention which "big name" these people want? How long do they think a very successful coach would stay there? If there is such a thing as a step-ladder job, UVa definitely fits.
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Re: This is UVa, right?
Dec 10, 2021, 1:44 AM
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The coaches (and agents) are smart enough to figure out what the deal is there. They can see it's disorganized at the least, and probably closer to toxic.
Coaches are seeing it's not well supported as it currently stands. It doesn't take much to figure out in their negotiations that the AD can't offer what's probably needed to take the next step.
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Re: This is UVa, right?
Dec 10, 2021, 8:35 AM
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UVA can have some odd donor/voices but I dont quite buy that they wanted Bronco out. I was unaware they were unhappy with him at all but I do understand that Bronco might have been unhappy with them. It might be that Bronco could read the landscape there.
But as far as donors, UVA has always kinda been that way (and not just "sports". They are Texas-level interference with pursed, quiet mouths.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 1:09 AM
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That's not what's being reported. More than one person close to the situation is the board has liked both Poindexter and TE but they are demanding to keep certain coaches on staff. Poindexter said no way and dropped his name. Tony went up to meet the personnel and he is not a fan of being a HC but already being given hiring demands from the start. It sounds like TE wants the position or at least wanted it, but the hiring or keeping ppl demands might be the deal breaker.
If true??? I don't know but I had read that ready but the Kornblut was reporting the same info supposedly from one of his sources.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 1:56 AM
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I would think Poindexter would be considered "Big Name" for Virginia boosters. Doesn't seem right. I think staff hiring seem to make more sense as for investment, if TE start winning 9+ games he will have more support. Dabo didn't get support until he start winning
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That is not exactly true.....
Dec 10, 2021, 2:10 AM
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If I recall, Dabo was told when he was named interim he could fire or keep any one at his discretion. Do what ever he thought needed to be done.
Any HC worth his salt would not accept ultimatums on who will be on his staff.
Now, you may be referring to support from public or fans and that very well may be debatable or even valid point. But he did have complete support from administration and complete control of the program from day one.
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Re: That is not exactly true.....
Dec 10, 2021, 7:56 AM
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You don’t have to issue an ultimatum to tie a coaches hands. We hear this argument on behalf of Brownell all the time. While he may not have been given ultimatums but the purse strings did not begin to relax for Dabo until after 2011. He had to weigh the risk reward of firing existing staff. When he fired Napier he knew he wasn’t going to be able to replace him with an OC from a top program. He made a huge gamble on an OC with one year of college experience and it paid off.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 2:08 AM
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That's another part of the problem. As I said the donors seem to have too much voice.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 2:26 AM
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Support I meant money for staff hiring. Remember Dabo had to take a pay cut so his assistant could get more money. As for staff he could keep 2 or 3 on offensive side. If they dont pan out he can fire them next year. Also it might be worth keeping them to get B Armstrong to play one more yr. With Armstrong and good DC hire I can see them winning 9 games next yr. If he can be that successful imagine how much power he will have. If they still don't want to play ball he can bolt for another job making 6 mil or more
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 2:43 AM
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Whatever he don't like about Virginia, it is still a lot better situation then Duke. Virginia beat Duke like 45-0 at the end of last yr. Duke just don't have the players and is a lot harder to recruit there. Virginia he can win big his first yr especially if he can get Armstrong to play for one more yr. He would be the best qb in acc next yr. Remember he was passing over 500 yds in some games last yr
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 4:22 AM
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I think Duke is an older mature HC’s job. Coach Cutcliff is a perfect example of what I think Duke needs in a HC. I don’t think it’s a place for a first hire HC. Duke fans have far less ambition than Tony Elliot is use to from Clemson fans. I just can’t see him being happy at Duke. But I could be wrong about everything.
I just want and feel TE deserves a HC job where he can build the program his way. I can see a BV and TE being a lot like Dabo’s model.
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Steve Spurrier respectfully disagrees.
Dec 10, 2021, 6:10 AM
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He started a pretty good HC career at Duke.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 6:51 AM
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The comment that Duke was an old mature coaching position and you can't recruit or win at Duke. I remember that is where Steve Spurrier started in 1987 and was the ACC champion in 1989. He left them to go to Florida.
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Not true
Dec 10, 2021, 3:52 AM
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Dabo didn’t take a pay cut to have money for assistants. He has used portions of his own raises/bonus to boost assistant pay but that’s not a pay cut.
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Re: Not true
Dec 10, 2021, 7:43 AM
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That is some genius level semantics to acknowledge that he used “portions of his own” compensation to pay assistants but it was not a “pay cut?” Let’s play a little fill in the blank exercise: When Dabo Swinney, after the 2011 ACC Championship, diverted part of his raise into additional compensation for assistants he effectively took a pay ___ ?
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 2:49 AM
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That may be true as well if the donors are making demands for certain personnel to be retained and new HC's are saying "No". Maybe Bronco left for the same reason, he may have wanted to replace persons and he was told no by the board. That would be a great reason to leave as the supposed leader of the program. Sounds like UVA possibly has some issues!?!?
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 2:34 AM
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I started looking into the UVA job and I'm surprised at how bad it is there. Old facilities, no money and just leadership that doesn't even care about competing. It's easy the worst power 5 hc job open at the moment and it's not even close. They make miami look like Alabama.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 2:47 AM
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How can it be worst Duke is the worst. He doesn't have to stay there long. Just win and bolt for another job if they dont want to support him Financially.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 3:27 AM
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Duke has better facilities and spends a lot more on athletics. Duke is investing. UVA is stuck in 2005.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 5:20 AM
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Huh? Let's see stats not related to basketball. If Duke has spent more on football in last 5yrs, i would be shocked but show me? I can't believe football isore than UVA??
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 3:48 AM
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Thank you Tiger CC and the poster after you. IMO Duke and Virginia would be bad Jobs to take. I can’t see Tony Elliot getting involved in a power struggle. I hope Tony talks to to Bronco Mendenhall before he walks into a power struggle. Maybe that’s why he resigned.
It’s really unfortunate that big money booster’s at some schools steamroll over the AD and people who know how to run a program. Money can’t buy everything.
I don’t think money can buy TE. If I had a young family I would not want to work in that toxic environment. It’s sad that some big money booster’s get so involved sometimes it can hurt their program. That’s why you have a school President, an AD and BOT. When booster’s interfere it makes the school leadership’s job very difficult.
Praying for you Tony and your family in making career decisions.
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 5:35 AM
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Texas boosters have been the same way in the hiring of head coaches. They seem to be getting worse.
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Usuc has for years, been known for that!***
Dec 10, 2021, 7:01 AM
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Re: UVA job....some insight
Dec 10, 2021, 6:41 AM
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Now we get an idea why UVA is mediocre in football and always will be. When politics and corruption by donors runs the show, nothing good ever happens. For references, see Usuck.
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How's that been working-out for them !?!?!?
Dec 10, 2021, 8:08 AM
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UVa hasn't been relevant since George Welsh was the coach and he retire more than 20 years ago.
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