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Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 12:58 PM
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Are teams I miss being relevant In college football!
Football was better when these teams were Good!
Anyone care to add anymore they miss being real good ?
Ps I also miss the big Shoulder pads that like Raymond Priester used to rock in his day at Clemson!
Bring those back, as well !
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 1:12 PM
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Nebraska minus when their QB was beating women
There'll be another generation down the road who'll claim they miss the times when Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma and Clemson were relevant in football 
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Georgia
Apr 27, 2021, 1:22 PM
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Irrelevant since 1980
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 1:27 PM
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I dont
USC cheated
Tennessee is a basketcase and cheated
FSU is all about dem cray-cray crablegs but I do wish them luck after 20 year in the woods
Miami cheated
Texas just can't match its own self inflicted image of itself.
Auburn cheats a lot
Catch a theme here as to why programs disappear?
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 1:27 PM
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I would add Penn State to the list. The only ones I kind of miss being relevant are FSU and Miami. Though it has been great going against traditional powers in the playoffs like Bama, ND, Ohio St and Oklahoma I don't really care who is there as long as we are at the party.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 2:13 PM
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Va Tech a little! arrogant little fans when they were good.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 3:32 PM
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Virginia Tech does not belong in the same breath as most of the teams that have been mentioned. In fact they don't belong in this conversation. They got close once because of a generational player, and that just doesn't qualify in my book.
Some of us are pretty grounded, too, by the way.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 4:44 PM
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Disagree there
VT was just handful of minutes away from basically being in that group. Texas had Young, Auburn had Cam, and yes, Vick was that good. VT would qualify there. Heck if VT would have held on, they would have been even better in the 00s with a chance at more titles based on being a proven winner. But hey, you were fighting a cheating Miami at the time. Actually most of the schools here basically ran afoul with the NCAA after their heights. I always heard rumblings of slack academic eligibility/ethical actions from the Hokie camp that Fuente had to address but compared to that group, Beamer was squeaky clean. Vt was one of the best programs from about the 90s-2010s which we were noting of this group
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VT was Beamer
Apr 28, 2021, 7:08 AM
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VT played small scale, Southern Conference Football for nearly 30 years longer than Clemson and the other Southern Conference schools that went in the 'major college' direction when the ACC was formed. The Hokies have won a lot of games over their college football history, but many more of their wins came over small schools than Clemson or most major colleges.
The best years of Va Tech football came in the Frank Beamer era. Beamer was a good coach and did well by the Hokies. But not really all that well. Over Beamer's tenure at Va Tech, Clemson was in a period of turmoil, running with 5 coaching changes, but our Tigers still posted a lifetime winning record over Beamer. When Beamer and VT left their comfort zone, they usually lost big games; Coach Beamer had a lifetime losing bowl record under Beamer.
Clemson has pretty much always been better than Virginia Tech, owning our series lead 23-12-1.
A bit off topic, but Virginia Tech once had an excellent and unique name by which they were universally known. I cannot imagine why VPI ever chose to call themselves Virginia Tech. That bad name change ranks up there with Texas Western, a national champion in basketball in the 1960s deciding to become UTEP.
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Re: VT was Beamer
Apr 28, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Virginia politics in Higher Education is a story worthy of its own Ken Burns Civil War type documentary. Basically, both UVA (and W&M) was allowed to act like a private-like school with minimal state interference and a lot of state support for a long time. VVT was kinda a third wheel. It would partner in some cases but was always the ugly stepchild. In addition, most of the other schools were also under the thumb of either UVA or W&M. The others had to fight over "the rest" which was at the time, the Womens Normal School/State Teachers Colleges - Mary Washington (UVA), Radford (VT), James Madison, and Longwood (W&M), then you had the Urban daughter schools of ODU, VCU - Once Richmond Polytechnic Insistute.... or RPI etc. Finally toy have the HBCUs as their own offshoot as well. NSU, VSU, etc - even these were tied to another school. NSU was VT and VSU might have been under UVA for a time but I dont know. In addition, because how Virginia "funds" universities & colleges, becoming a "State University" is a big deal as it opens more funds. Eventually, UVA and W&M were brought under more normal state control but there is still a blind eye there in a lot of cases. Finally, GMU and CNU are the "new schools" in urban areas (Fairfax and VaBeach).
It is still VPI Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. A lot like Georgia Tech (Georgia Institute of Technology). it was, like Clemson the Virginia A&M before going Poly. When it merged with Radford, it dropped the A&M moniker, but technically kept the Poly.
The only current "Poly" I can think of is Cal Poly, but of course you already have Cal Tech too.
If it wasn't for Dabo, we would not have owned the series against Beamer. While VT struggles against all sports vs Virginia, they have lead the football series for a long while. That was even before the Beamer run.
Maybe you should consider them the opposite of South Carolina. They are an unloved non-flagship that missed out on early ACC days, kept with their traditional rivals (VMI), went independent/Metro, BE then ACC.
Finally Texas Western was a sub-college under UT. When they reorganized into the UT system, all the sub schools got the UTXX moniker if they weren't strong enough to stand otherwise. Imagine is ICAR spun off their own basketball team and won a BB national championship. LOL.
Finally, knowing the Virginia politics, I would not be surprised if UVA (which did waffle on the ACC for the first year) wanted to keep VaTech out of joining the conference.
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UVa had no choice in the matter
Apr 28, 2021, 10:43 AM
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and to be truthful, UVa did have a sympathetic president at the time VT was admitted to the ACC. but the tipping point was Governor Mark Warner at the time basically leaned on the administration of UVA to sponsor VT into the league. Their fanbase was understandably dead set against it, but if you remember at the time, The Big East football conference was tettering on annihilation as Miami, BC, and Syracuse were heading south. VT would have been left in a monetary wasteland and that would have cost the state of Virginia big bucks over the years. UVa still has sway in Virginia, but they didn't have that much sway.
And let's face it. We sit basically in the dead middle of the conference geographically north to south, we had long standing relationships both educational and in sports with most every ACC school (we had played UNC, FSU, and of course UVA more than some original ACC schools), had a vet school in conjunction with Maryland, a school intertwined with Wake Forest, etc., etc.
And all kidding aside, for old time (and just plain old) VT fans like myself, VT was not where they were supposed to be until we got accepted in the ACC. I always hated going to Syracuse (still do), BC, and all those other northeast outposts the Big East took the Hokies to. Our rivalries and heritage were to the south, not north. Maryland and WVU were as far north as the Hokies needed to go (although I did enjoy the Hokies going to Columbus and beating the Buckeyes a few years ago).
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Re: UVa had no choice in the matter
Apr 28, 2021, 10:56 AM
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I should have clarified that UVA wanted VT out of the ACC in 1953 and for the next few decades, etc. Yeah, basically, the Gov office basically told the UVA board that they were "serving at his pleasure" and that it was an "or else" mandate. Aka, he would fire them and UVA would join the CAA (joking).
FYI - Old VT family myself (our reunion is basically a VT alumni party).
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Re: VT was Beamer
Apr 28, 2021, 10:51 AM
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It was technically VPI&SU, which led to the nickname of our opponents of Vippy Sue, and frankly, that sucks.
VAHTECH which is what the announcers say now isn't much better, admittedly.
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Re: VT was Beamer
Apr 28, 2021, 10:59 AM
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lol, I still call it hokie high or the buzzards (FYI my favorite thing is to see a buzzard resting on the VT metal stature outside of 81. always fun...
And yeah, VaTech or Vanilla Tech, like Vanilla Coke VaCoke, VaBeach, Va...
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 2:16 PM
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Huh! I don't miss Tennessee being good. Fulmer used to come into this state and take our best players. That's a big part of why Clemson wasn't that successful during the West and Bowden era. Same with FSU. Football is better now with CU winning the ACC and going to the CFP every year.
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Re: ?????? THIS IS THE TICKET ??????
Apr 27, 2021, 2:56 PM
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Keep rolling like an orange tiger pawed super train.
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The big part of why Clemson wasn't successful...
Apr 27, 2021, 4:27 PM
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during the West and Bowden eras was because one wasn't a particularly good coach who was in WAY over his head, and the other one was too stubborn/prideful to change his "I'm in charge and we're going to do things my way because I know every-damn-thing" mentality.
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Re: The big part of why Clemson wasn't successful...
Apr 27, 2021, 9:42 PM
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Wait, which was which....? Lol, both really sucked and I was glad when both were replaced.
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Bowden was a much better hire than West...
Apr 28, 2021, 8:28 AM
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but both definitely had their shortcomings.
By all accounts, West was a great guy but not a particularly good coach. Bowden was a better coach (albeit terribly inconsistent) but pretty much an a$$hat who was too stubborn/prideful to admit when he was wrong and change when is was abundantly clear that what he was trying to do wasn't working.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 2:49 PM
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No because we weren't very good when most of those programs were thriving. CLEMSON being awesome is a serious contributing factor to the demise of those programs. College football is dictated by economics as well. You know this of course. There's a scarcity of good players, coaches and administrations. We have the best at the moment. Won't last forever. And I don't miss anything about the late 90s and early 2000s.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 3:07 PM
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I think it would be good for college football for USC, Texas, Michigan and Penn St. to be successful. Spread the success outside the deep South. FSU, Tenn and AU can stay down since they compete for recruits in the same footprint as NC and SC universities.
Here's hoping VaTech crashes and burns this season.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 3:27 PM
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FSU & MIAMI, both came from nowhere and behaved like spectacular ######### when they were successful. I hope they never make it back.
The rest of ‘em? Just no in general. I’d like to see Nebraska return to glory.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 3:35 PM
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Well, good luck to you class cutters, too!
Who's taking the tests for you folks now?
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 27, 2021, 3:29 PM
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I miss South Carolina being irrelevant. When they stink, college football is better.
Oh wait, they are still irrelevant. My bad.
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Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas...
Apr 27, 2021, 4:29 PM
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can all line up and collectively kiss my big old hairy white @$$.
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Add Nebraska to that list. I miss the days when they would
Apr 27, 2021, 7:06 PM
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be +49 points on the parlay card, and would EASILY cover most times.
Meechigan not being consistently as good as the old days also hurts the Big 10. Everyone wants to talk about Clemson's easy road in the ACC. Big 10 is 0310 State and everyone else, just like the Big 12 is Oklahoma and everyone else.
There may be relative parity at the top of college football among about three or four teams, but there for sure is no parity in just about any of the conferences.
The main reason the SEC can toot their horn is that they are usually Bama and at least one other really good team each year, and that one other really good team changes from one school to another over the course of a few years.
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I have mixed emotions...on the one hand, sure I have decades
Apr 27, 2021, 8:44 PM
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of memories of all the great teams mentioned above. Tons of classic matchups and nostalgia. On the other hand, dear old Clempsum sucked back then for a lot of those years. Everybody can't be king, there's only so much room at the top. So, to be perfectly honest... no, I don't give a crap if any of those teams are great again. They've had their time in the sun. The last 5 years have been our time, by gawd... and those teams can blow dead donkey balls. And I mean that in a good christian way.
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 28, 2021, 4:14 AM
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I definitely miss Florida State being good.??????
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Re: Florida St, Tennessee, Auburn, So Cal, Miami, and Texas
Apr 28, 2021, 6:10 AM
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No I just enjoy watching Clemson put beat downs on other teams, that’s all
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Marlborocountycoot = Tigers2021
Apr 28, 2021, 7:10 AM
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