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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 12:02 PM
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There are no accidental shootings of oneself... Shooting oneself is a careless shooting...
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 12:13 PM
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come on dude. Is this really necessary?
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 1:13 PM
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The reality is it’s true. I’ve been hunting and fishing since I could walk. It is almost impossible to shoot yourself. Even if you’re out in the woods and trip or fall with a pistol in your hand it would be difficult to shoot yourself.
I could possibly see someone accidentally/carelessly shooting themselves in the leg or foot or other hand or arm. But to die from one gun shot wound you would have to shoot yourself in the head or the body and anyone that knows anything about guns knows that that’s almost impossible. Try making a pistol with your fingers and then see how awkward that is to point at your head or body. Now imagine having a gun in that hand and pulling the trigger. To do that accidentally is nearly impossible.
The reality is you never handle a gun that’s loaded unless you’re getting ready to shoot at a target or another person for self-defense or for hunting. And you #### sure don’t clean it or do anything with it in a house or apartment while loaded. And you never have your finger anywhere near the trigger unless you’re getting ready to fire the gun. Not to mention the fact the safety would have to be off and the safety should never be off until you are ready to pull the trigger.
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You say this is the reality(shown below)... but
Dec 26, 2020, 2:49 PM
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Many people were not trained properly how to use a gun and how to safely operate it. Of course to properly trained southerners who have been hunting and shooting since 8-10 it is very hard to accidentally shoot yourself or someone else. Heck right not my twins age 8 are shooting the BB gun outside and my 12 year old a 22 pistol w my father up the hill. But they know all the rules u listed below. Also, I k is nothing about the case being discussed so I am not making any assumptions.
“The reality is you never handle a gun that’s loaded unless you’re getting ready to shoot at a target or another person for self-defense or for hunting. And you #### sure don’t clean it or do anything with it in a house or apartment while loaded. And you never have your finger anywhere near the trigger unless you’re getting ready to fire the gun. Not to mention the fact the safety would have to be off and the safety should never be off until you are ready to pull the trigger.”
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Re: You say this is the reality(shown below)... but
Dec 26, 2020, 3:13 PM
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No. I understand that completely. Absolutely there are people that have not been properly trained with handguns. But at the same time it’s very intuitive and everybody knows how dangerous they are. And with all the guns and movies today come on people know.
My main point was it’s almost impossible to accidentally kill yourself because if you make a pistol with your hands and point at your head of your body you realize just how awkward that is and how almost impossible it would be to hold a gun in that position and pull the trigger in some accidental careless way.
That’s why I think the only true and logical accidental shootings are these idiots that try and clean a gun while loaded. But even then why would you point a gun at yourself while cleaning it. Why even have your finger inside the trigger guard or on the trigger or the safety off while cleaning it.
That kind of stuff goes beyond careless or ignorance. It’s just flat out stupidity!
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Re: You say this is the reality(shown below)... but
Dec 26, 2020, 4:17 PM
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Always consider the gun loaded until you prove it to yourself. Always know what you are going to hit if you miss your target.
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting***
Dec 26, 2020, 3:17 PM
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I think anyone that has experience with firearms would have as one of their first thoughts something very similar because we know that it’s almost impossible to accidentally shoot one’s self. Also, let’s be completely honest, anytime someone is found alone from a gunshot the first thing we think is suicide. Again, because it’s almost impossible to accidentally shoot yourself And because suicide happens so often in our society especially around the holidays and because it normally involves a gun if it’s a man. Statistically speaking. And so many kids today are on antidepressants and other medication and because for his age group suicide is the Number one cause of death.
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting***
Dec 26, 2020, 7:01 PM
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I think of how tragic it is for the person and his family and have sympathy for them.
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 12:47 PM
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First of all, my thoughts and prayers are with the family.This is very tragic.Something people do not understand is that all firearms are extremely dangerous.They must be handled with the upmost respect.Never ever point a firearm at anything or anyone you do not intend to shoot whether it is loaded or unloaded. You always treat it as if it is loaded.My next door neighbor and his wife were kicked out of a range for continually pointing the gun at the instructor.When my wife and I tried to work with them to show them gun safety he kept pointing the unloaded gun at all of us. We ended the instruction immediately.They wanted us to take them shooting and we politely declined.He told me the other day he was still going to get a gun.I am worried that someone is going to get hurt or killed next door.I will bet 90% or more of new gun purchases are by people who have no idea about gun safety.Everyone please be careful!
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 1:22 PM
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Really? Guns are dangerous? Who’d a thunk such a thing?!
In today’s media world, SJW, BLM, Internet, social media, CNN, in today’s reality everyone knows guns are dangerous! Your friend, your neighbor, they are not ignorant. They are idiots jerks and d-bags!
People are not ignorant when it comes to guns. They are stupid!
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 1:53 PM
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False. I lost a good friend who accidentally/carelessly shot him self in the leg. One shot hit an artery he bled out in less than ten minutes. The only person near to help tried to turnicate but couldn’t get the belt high enough. The gun was cocked and ready and my friend had it in his wasteband. He jumped a small dredge cut while stalking in a hunt and the gun went off. So you most definitely can inflict a fatal wound other that head or chest. It was an accident but it was also careless the way he was carrying the weapon. He wasn’t stupid or ignorant. But the one time he failed to properly secure his weapon probably because he had become to comfortable and familiar with it was the only mistake the mattered. Even people properly trained can exercise carelessness
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 2:06 PM
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I’m very sorry about what happened to your friend.
But ...
1. I knew some jerk off would come along and say oh you could shoot an artery in your leg. Yes. I know that. I thought about that while I was writing my post. My post was written in the context of people being found and it being called an accidental shooting. Like you said he bled out in 10 minutes. But we also know what happened. In that amount of time you can put a belt around your leg or a piece of rope or a wire or you can call 911. When something like that happens you know without doubt it was an accident because you can tell they took lifesaving measures. So it’s obvious in that situation. And it was in that context that I made my post.
2. Your friend was not stupid or ignorant?
And you say he was your friend?
First of all, what he did was the definition of stupid and careless!
Second, as his friend you should’ve said dude what the hell are you doing?
I apologize. When I first posted this I assumed you were with him when it happened because you seem to know intimate details about what happened, but upon rereading it you said the person nearest to him which makes me think maybe you were told the story secondhand by someone that was there but you were not. But then again because it’s not clear maybe you were there also but you weren’t the closest person or you were on a hunting trip together but in different locations. It’s actually not very clear but if I did assume that you were there and didn’t warn him I apologize for that. But whoever was hunting with him should have warned him and everything else I stated I standby.
Third, I wouldn’t be hunting with someone that Stupid or careless and I would walk away after warning him if he did not correct the situation immediately. Because he’s not just putting his life in danger but my life also! Which makes this even more stupid and careless!
I’m sorry but your friend was careless stupid selfish irresponsible and a whole lot of other things because he was not just putting his life in danger but your life! No responsible hunter, no experience toner, would ever do something that foolish and stupid!
You never carry a weapon without a proper holster or in your hands. And you #### sure don’t go around with it cocked. loaded or unloaded.
I’m sorry for your friend, but to say he wasn’t stupid is beyond ridiculous. What he did is the definition of stupid careless and irresponsible!
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 2:02 PM
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Geez lowcntry I try to send condolences ,prayers, and words of wisdom and you go on the attack.Whats up with you?Did Santa not get you what you wanted for Christmas?Your sympathy in this situation overwhelms me.
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Re: Utah RB dies in accidental shooting
Dec 26, 2020, 2:20 PM
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No one on this board knows the kid or is related to the kid so who exactly am I supposed to be sending condolences?
You don’t know me or anything about me so how do you know I didn’t say a prayer for the kids family? I simply don’t feel the need to virtue signal like so many people on here when it comes to religion.
Go on the attack? How are my comments attacking anyone? I simply made a factual observation about guns. About firearms. If you would like to correct something you think is factually incorrect by all means go ahead.
You are a perfect example of what’s wrong with the world today. You think pointing out stupidity or pointing out the obvious errors or flaws in something is out of anger or an attack. But nothing could be further from the truth. It’s simply pointing out the facts and pointing out the obvious. Nothing more nothing less.
I’m 55 years old. I was raised in a time and by a generation that believe it’s your civic duty to point out stupidity and carelessness.
FYI my initial comment was just sarcasm and being funny. The other comments were agreeing with the guy that his neighbor is a jerk! He knows his neighbor is a jerk and more than ignorant. I was just pointing it out in a much more vivid way than he was. But I wasn’t attacking him! You people on here have skin that’s way too thin!
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Re: Utah RB dies in unfortunate incident
Dec 26, 2020, 2:47 PM
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What the h ell would a 19 year old football player in Utah be messing with a gun anyway.
I mean , you are living a dream most young men would love to have and messing with guns ?
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Re: Utah RB dies in unfortunate incident
Dec 26, 2020, 3:04 PM
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When I was at Clemson back in the 80s a knew football players that had guns, snakes, dogs cats and all kinds of crazy stuff.
One guy had this sophisticated blowgun made out of aluminum like people in the Amazon use with poison darts and another guy had a crossbow. Yes. A football player in the 80s living on campus had a crossbow!
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