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Re: I weep for American and the Army
Jun 3, 2021, 8:38 PM
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I saw this earlier today. Pathetic.
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Why?
Jun 3, 2021, 9:06 PM
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Why is it pathetic that our Army is promoting one of our servicewomen and trying to attract other women like her to serve our nation?
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Re: Why?
Jun 3, 2021, 9:47 PM
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Then say that instead of all of the virtue signaling. Every commercial is pathetic. I remember when they used to just be funny, or clever, but now it’s a boo kak eee of social justice.
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So what?
Jun 4, 2021, 8:23 AM
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The military is desperate for recruits and they're using a real soldier to recruit more like her. Why is she deserving of such hate and mockery from y'all?
Y'all and Ted Cruz and all the other embarrassing people are attacking this woman because, what, she had two moms?
Criticism of this woman's message is very shameful and simply un-American.
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Re: So what?
Jun 4, 2021, 9:37 AM
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What does two moms have to do with any of it? Why is the two mom marriage a separate event? Who fkn cares. Why not make an ad about what she actually does in the Army? That’s my point.
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Y'all are having a hard time explaining...
Jun 4, 2021, 9:40 AM
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What the problem with this ad is. Our military needs more recruits, and they're trying multiple marketing tactics to attract more. An ad is not a reflection of our training or the quality of our soldiers.
You like the Russian one because it seems more bad ###? Do you really think our soldiers are less bad ### than the Russian ones because of this ad?
Break down exactly what the problem is.
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Re: So what?
Jun 4, 2021, 9:57 AM
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It's an "All Call", dude. The point is, it's so fruity and inclusive it's an "all is welcome here" welcome mat designed to indicate that anybody can enlist, which is designed specifically to reach someone who might be hesitant that they might not be welcome because, well, they might feel they're not a cultural fit.
Yeah, it's stupid. That's the point. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be so glaringly stupid and obvious nobody can miss the point.
Does it fruity up the Armed Forces and make me cringe a bit? Also yes. But here's the thing: it's a results-oriented game, and I don't know what their numbers look like, or what gigs they're trying to fill, or how effective any of these ad campaigns are, all that's metrics-driven. If stuff works, hey, roll with it.
I know why they're doing it. They need more girls. Finding dumb d!cks is easy, in the US military. They don't need those. They need people who can run computers. Crunch intel. Fix stuff. Think. Details, details, details. It's so logistic-driven and technical-driven now. 95% of the military now is the intel and logistical tail, and only 5% is the shootey end.
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Re: So what?
Jun 4, 2021, 12:51 PM
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Bingo Keowee. Why isn’t “Be all you can be” enough? No one is talking negatively about the soldier. It’s our now woke military that we criticize.
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If it was enough...
Jun 4, 2021, 1:12 PM
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Our recruitment numbers wouldn't be on a steady decline. Previous campaigns obviously aren't working.
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Re: If it was enough...
Jun 4, 2021, 1:18 PM
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Ok fair enough. Go get woke Army.
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Re: If it was enough...
Jun 4, 2021, 1:21 PM
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Nobody's telling you not to cringe, though. 'Cause good God that commercial is indeed awful.
Yeesh.
I am confident a great many generals shuddered hard, watching that one go out on the airwaves. Which tells you how very badly they need the bodies.
You do what ya gotta, to staff up.
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Re: If it was enough...
Jun 4, 2021, 1:31 PM
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Funny you mention the generals. I thought about the old WW2, Korea, Vietnam guys. They can’t be thrilled about this image. I thought one goal of the military was to be a cohesive fighting unit. Who cares about who your parents are, the money you have, education, etc? Just be one and fight.
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You mean those generals...
Jun 4, 2021, 1:31 PM
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Who led troops when we had a draft?
They didn't have to worry about recruiting numbers.
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Re: You mean those generals...
Jun 4, 2021, 2:25 PM
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You completely miss the point. Somebody else please explain it to him.
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I got your point just fine
Jun 4, 2021, 2:59 PM
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You think those generals would hate this because it doesn't pitch the message they would use to lead on the field. Or that it isn't macho enough.
My point is that their opinions would be irrelevant here since they had an army handed to them through the draft. Our military now has to use smart tactics to recruit more soldiers. So it would be easy for them to dismiss such a message, but it wouldn't apply in their day.
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Re: I got your point just fine
Jun 4, 2021, 3:17 PM
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I want one army, one unified group. I don’t care about your mommy or your dual mommy background. That’s all I’m saying. How about we run an ad that says we want white men from white parents. Is that ok? No it’s not ok. We want soldiers. Period.
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Re: I got your point just fine
Jun 4, 2021, 3:24 PM
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What if the ad went something like this - Becky grew up with Christian parents. She has stood for the rights of the unborn. She operates an Apache... I'm guessing the response would be different from some
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Sure.
Jun 4, 2021, 3:25 PM
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From a management/leadership perspective, that's a great idea. But not from a marketing perspective with today's generation.
Quoz has pretty much already said this. Do what you can to lure them in. Worry about the rest afterwards.
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Re: Sure.
Jun 4, 2021, 3:35 PM
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So today’s generation would consider marketing Becky’s family background inappropriate for today’s army? I think that’s what you just implied?
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Uh... wut?***
Jun 4, 2021, 3:37 PM
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Re: Uh... wut?***
Jun 4, 2021, 3:40 PM
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Can you read?
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What is going on with you today?
Jun 4, 2021, 3:46 PM
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I replied to your post about the message of one army and even agreed that this was the message that should be pitched once the recruit is in the fold, and you replied with some off-the-wall comment about Becky and a family background? Then ask if I can read when I don't get your completely bonkers non-sequitur?
Okay, man.
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Re: What is going on with you today?
Jun 4, 2021, 4:02 PM
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Sorry that was rude and I apologize. I thought my post made sense following the post by p6fuller. It’s all good. Never mind.
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Oh man, Germanic as hell
Jun 3, 2021, 9:05 PM
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But I forgot about T3 posting this and contributing to shaming one of our soldiers.
Congrats, Neal. You've now also shamed one of our soldiers who serves our country. Why don't you support our troops?
As I said to T3: This post is very, very embarrassing for you, and you should delete it.
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bullsh^t***
Jun 3, 2021, 9:43 PM
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You hatin' on one of our servicewomen, too?***
Jun 4, 2021, 8:20 AM
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Easy there, CIS-assumer. It's servicewomyn.***
Jun 4, 2021, 9:50 AM
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Serviceze? Servicexi? Servicethey?***
Jun 4, 2021, 9:51 AM
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awful....Im shur Chiner be skeard.***
Jun 3, 2021, 9:42 PM
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At the end of the day it all comes down to how efficient
Jun 4, 2021, 6:08 AM
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And effective you are at killing people and breaking things.
Love the American part where she marched for equality in the name of defending freedom. I've never understood it. Throughout history more freedom has been lost enforcing and forcing equality than for anything else, excluding tyrants of course. Equality is not a natural state. As such to have equality it must be forced and that means losing freedom.
Equality of opportunity does not mean equality of people. It does however make the most out of everyone to the extent of their abilities. You need look no further than sports. Imagine if Dabo gave every Clemson football player equal playing time. Nope. He does though give every player an equal opportunity to start and play more. The world is full of Remfrows out there who can perform as good or better than some 6'4" fast receivers. Equality of opportunity makes the most out of everyone's inequalities. The biggest inequalities we have, pretty much always, is inequality in ambition and drive. And that's fine.
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Re: I weep for American and the Army
Jun 4, 2021, 8:12 AM
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You get the team you recruit
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So what's wrong with this soldier?***
Jun 4, 2021, 8:21 AM
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Re: So what's wrong with this soldier?***
Jun 4, 2021, 8:51 AM
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Let's say they are all American soldiers in this video, is she the one you would choose to go into battle with?
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Yes.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:00 AM
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If, of course, that's what she's trained for. We have the greatest military in the history of the world that trains the ever living #### out of our soldiers. She chose to be there and wants to serve instead of being forced into service like some countries.
Why wouldn't you choose her? Because she has two moms?
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Re: Yes.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:12 AM
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I like how you make up your own narratives and then argue them.
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Re: Yes.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:15 AM
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Yeah, it was a nice sidestep from my question.***
Jun 4, 2021, 9:23 AM
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Just answer the question.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:23 AM
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Why wouldn't you want to go to war with her?
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Re: Just answer the question.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:28 AM
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Of the three, if they were all Americans, she would not be my first choice.
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Again, I ask, why? You keep avoiding that question.***
Jun 4, 2021, 9:37 AM
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Re: Again, I ask, why? You keep avoiding that question.***
Jun 4, 2021, 9:45 AM
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Why did you avoid my initial question? You went on some diatribe about how the US has the greatest military in the world. I clearly asked what would be your choice if they were all Americans. And then you start your own narrative about two moms. The other two commercials showed discipline and military capability. Our pathetic little commercial showed SJW nonsense. You're the one that interjected two moms. Not me. That's why I said, you create your own narrative and then argue it.
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Um, I answered you.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:47 AM
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I would choose her because she's part of, again, the greatest military in the history of the world and trained by that military. How does that not answer your question?
Hell, you don't even know if the guys in the Russian commercial are actually soldiers. Could just be actors.
Again, why is it so hard for you to answer why you wouldn't choose her? Just answer the question. You look silly dodging it.
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Re: Um, I answered you.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:55 AM
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Maybe you should read back through what we both wrote to decipher between what I wrote and what you are making up in your own mind. I never said I wouldn't choose her. I said if I had to choose between the three (as they are represented and if they were Americans). Maybe you should lay off the sauce.
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Okay, so why isn't she your first choice?
Jun 4, 2021, 10:18 AM
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Just state it plain as day for me. Explain it to me like I'm a child.
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Re: Okay, so why isn't she your first choice?
Jun 4, 2021, 10:32 AM
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Obviously they may be actors, but the other two commercials exhibited a higher level of military capability and discipline. I don't know how else I can explain it. I'm just going off the commercials, because that is what was presented. I don't know any of these people personally. And by the way, good for her for joining the military and serving her country. I just didn't think it was a good recruiting tool. But I could be wrong. I'm not a young adult considering the military.
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It might not be a good recruiting tool
Jun 4, 2021, 10:41 AM
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The army has definitely fallen flat before on their marketing campaigns. But the comparisons to the Russian commercial and the disdain this woman received via Ted Cruz (and anyone reposting it is just parroting that imbecile) were out of line in the OP and when T3 fumbled all over himself the first time it was posted.
I made my choice based on the knowledge of our military. Our soldiers are far better trained than Russian ones.
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Re: It might not be a good recruiting tool
Jun 4, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Actually the Russian Army reports of "toxic masculinity" - rape, war crimes, inter-service abuse of recruits, hazing, etc - is fairly legendary. The stuff I've heard about their Spetznaz - Special Forces - guys. Phew. Basically serial killers. With guns. Everyone who has bumped into those guys is like: those dudes are Far Gone. (We have a few of those ourselves, unfortunately, but we tend to cycle them out when they start going savage - whereupon they become "contractors" - they have a whole service of them, and do not.)
Russian soldiers hate being Russian soldiers, and usually leave as soon as they can. It is a notoriously toxic service. Their Navy is reportedly even worse and has one of the worst suicide rates in the world; their submarine service in particular is known to be one of the most hellish services ever to belong to; there were apparently long stretches in the Soviet days when they actually had to fill the sub ranks with political prisoners because no one else would willingly enlist. Their subs sank, like...a lot, and were awful to be on even when they didn't. Weeks underwater. Trapped with other surly Russians conscripts. In a rusty tin can. That could sink any moment.
The old Soviet system had a two-year term, divided into six-month quarters, and those in their fourth-quarter were basically untouchable, and apparently the way they treated those in their first quarters would have made frat pledges blanch. The culture of the modern Russian Army hasn't changed much since then. (Nothing much in Russian culture changes, it's one of its most charming features.)
The Chinese Army is still pure conscription. Those are always awful.
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Well, studies show...
Jun 4, 2021, 11:59 AM
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That extremely intelligent people often feel alone and isolated, and gather together in small groups.
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Re: Well, studies show...
Jun 4, 2021, 12:55 PM
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That is...actually not true, though. It isn't just "us".
He is in fact arguing with Army recruiting, which is using basic metrics to fill allotments. Those commercials, like it or not, are products of a specific focus group.
I tried to explain that they were not in fact trying to ghey up the service just because they liked rainbows and moonbeams, and us usual, along comes T3, reading maybe one word in twenty, understanding zero nuance, going: "derp de derp de derp de derp", and treats it like it's a binary argument instead of what it actually is, a recruitment issue. The Army's looking for specific bodies for specific jobs, same as everybody right now...and they really need more chicks, not more dudes. Hence the really cringey Rainbow Brite commercial.
T3 is just choosing not to get it because he thinks an Army should be all about will and and steel and swingin' d!cks and testosterone, Hoo-ah, man. Which is why he and the MAGA set are becoming increasingly irrelevant, they're panicking and grasping at straws in a world that's changing entirely too fast for them, and getting left behind, which is what MAGA's always really been about.
They're reactionaries, and the thing reactionaries don't get is, the world is going to change, with or without their permission. Which is pretty much just a variation on the angry peasants with towels on their heads like the Iranians were, raging at the American Devil, shaking their fists at the West and trying to wind back the clock - which never works - while the world moves on without you, or you can grit your teeth, and change along with it, like it or not. (And I don't, a lot of times, myself. Makes me grumpy. And feel old. And wanna go jam my old 'Palooza tapes for about twenty hours straight because These Kids Today just do not know what freaking music is...but no. Down that way lies madness, I do not wanna be MiuraTiger. Careful, quoz. Careful.)
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You're missing another key part
Jun 4, 2021, 1:24 PM
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This whole thing started with Ted Cruz. So that's where the real "herp de derp" lies. It gets repeated on fringe right wing media. Then it gets regurgitated here.
Look no further than the OP here. He posted almost the exact thing T3 did, what, a week ago? Neal gets his marching orders from the same source. Basically, we get regurgitation from people who aren't thinking for themselves, just as you noted. But they'll repeat it now because Cruz has drifted into Trumpie crazy land.
As you highlight, the whole matter shows a lack of critical thinking skills and a failure to understand marketing. They want machoism because they have a deficiency in machoism, so Trumpism makes them feel they are filling that void. Truth be told, macho Army ads wouldn't even work on them despite their desire to feel more like men.
The old ways of Army recruiting don't work. Hell, this might not work either. But at least it's trying to target a demographic that they want.
If Ted Cruz or anyone else thinks we need to be modeling our marketing after Russia and their military, they've got a very poor understanding of a lot of things.
But the bigger problem is this: I wonder how this soldier who is sacrificing for our country feels about these pseudo-patriots trashing her commercial?
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If those comments upset you, thicken your skin.
Jun 4, 2021, 3:00 PM
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It's a tough world out there, buttercup.
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Re: If those comments upset you, thicken your skin.
Jun 4, 2021, 3:24 PM
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Nope.
Jun 4, 2021, 3:28 PM
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I don't cry foul and have posts deleted for people here. I've just done it with you to give you a taste of your own behavior. That's all.
Everyone else here, I don't do a thing except reply to them.
When you stop crying to the mods about every little tiny thing that upsets you, we'll all stop doing it to you in return. Flow already said it. That's not what this board is about. Tighten your bootstraps. Man up. Thicken your skin. Let's go. This is not a board for the fragile.
It's very simple, really. Just be a big boy and debate back. You score no points here that matter in anything. Anything.
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This is the part you don’t get
Jun 4, 2021, 3:32 PM
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Let's consider it more...
Jun 4, 2021, 3:37 PM
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Of me offering you some sage advice rather than telling you what to do. Perhaps try a new route next week, and instead of getting offended and lashing out with insults, understand that this is just a message board, none of these people know you or can hurt you with their words, that it's okay to not see eye-to-eye with strangers, that nobody has harmed your reputation or your honor by disagreeing with you or even pointing out you're wrong, and that at the end of the day, you're a grown ### man who shouldn't let what some random dude online said to you ruin your day.
I dunno. Give it a try next week. As a suggestion.
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Re: Well, studies show...
Jun 4, 2021, 3:16 PM
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I'm plenty calm. You just don't...upset me. I don't freaking take message board arguments personally because they aren't personal. The idea is the thing being debated.
We ourselves are just cyphers, handles on the other end of nowhere. That's both the magic and curse of the Internet. We're all of us nobody in particular, that's kind of the point.
Those were hardly "personal" attacks, and I try really hard not to engage in those. I made the observation you hadn't read or responded to the substance of our conservation because you obviously hadn't. Nor are we the "only ones" defending this. There indeed appear to be others who have since joined in, but a message-board discussion isn't about who jumps into a thread anyhow, it's supposed to be about ideas and the substance of them.
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Re: Well, studies show...
Jun 4, 2021, 3:20 PM
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Re: Okay, so why isn't she your first choice?
Jun 4, 2021, 10:45 AM
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Dude, it's a total bait-and-switch. What was that Al Pacino line to Colin Farrell in The Recruit: "When I was recruting you we were on semi-congenial terms for precisely that purpose: I was recruiting you."
Stuff gets rather different, once you sign on the dotted line.
Snow White-with-two-moms is in for a rough day the second she reports to Basic and discovers what the real world of service is like...though apparently they have toned that down quite a bit, too, from what I've heard.
At the end of the day, they probably need her to fix stuff, run reports, crunch numbers, and run computers, not shoot Ivan between the eyes. If they need Ivan shot between the eyes or vaporized with a fuel-air bomb or Hellfire missile or zapped with a Reaper drone (so many choices, on how to whack poor dumb buff Ivan!) that's what other departments are for. Mostly, they just need her. And about 250K more like her. Diligently doing their un-sexy, un-flashy, but absolutely necessary jobs that are the vast majority of the military now.
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First off,
Jun 4, 2021, 9:40 AM
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she doesn’t have “two moms”. That doesn’t equate. Maybe two very flawed people raised her and both were women, but she does not have two moms.
The damage is unavoidable, the depression, the anxiety, they relationship stand point are al palpable. It’s just a bad look and a bad video.
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All-In [42169]
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Okay...
Jun 4, 2021, 9:41 AM
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Explain precisely how this video will harm our military and what is wrong with showcasing this soldier.
Because if you are wanting the billy bad ### commercial the Russians have, let me tell you, the military has tried that marketing before and it doesn't work.
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Re: I weep for American and the Army
Jun 4, 2021, 2:49 PM
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Wow. We just got done with a POTUS who dodged military service himself, saluted commie enemies, and ridiculed American POW's, and you're worried about this ad and it's effect a on our armed services? Do you also support statues and monuments to traitors who murdered over 300,000 United States soldiers?
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Re: I weep for American and the Army
Jun 4, 2021, 8:38 AM
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exactly. recruiting videos are a sure sign of military strength.
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Balm talking about anything
Jun 4, 2021, 9:30 AM
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related to strength, courage and manhood is laughable.
Sit this one out pard.
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Re: I weep for American and the Army
Jun 4, 2021, 8:56 AM
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Yeah...just one problem, guys.
One thing you testosterone-fixated yahoos haven't quite wrapped your heads around yet is, this world is changin', real quick. As they say, amateurs talk about tactics. Pros talk logistics, and masters talk about paradigms. Those jacked-up Alpha Male superdudes are gonna die when Snow White there zaps them with her freakin' drone.
The barbarian hordes of Gaul and Germania, man for man, were far more imposing than those of Ancient Rome. Analytics of the Gauls indicated they were fairly healthy specimens; your typical Gaul was about six feet tall, robust, had well-developed muscleature and the patterns of chipping and scraping on their bones suggested these guys fought and took damage day-to-day in a way modern Americans would have found quite alarming. (Barbarian Life, yo!) Whereas your average Roman Legionnaire was - get this! - five feet three inches tall! - owing mostly to poor diet, and if you look at their armor and weapons, they look like they were child-sized. I was actually in a museum just yesterday, and I was looking at a Greek (not Roman, but same principle) helmet from about 600 BC, and I think my kid could have worn it when he was about seven or eight years old.
But they wiped they Gauls and Germans out, en masse...because they had discipline. The Gauls and Germans came charging in like crazy men, c0cks swinging around, yelling real loud, each fighting as individuals...the Romans stuck to their formations, the front rank with shield-and-gladius, the back rank with spears going pokey-poke-poke, and these big barbarian giants just had nowhere to go, they ran into these bristling walls of steel and spears and died. A lot.
And their lands then became Rome. It wasn't until the Romans just became totally corrupt and indolent that the German barbarian Visigoth tribes finally marched south and came back and sacked Rome...a parallel I hope America does not forget. True story: when Caesar finally crossed the Rubicon, rather than fight him, the Senators were busy impressing the soldiers in Rome, using them as porters, trying to save their own valuables as they fled the city. Caesar - being a patrician himself who knew exactly how those corrupt patrician families thought - was waiting across the river for exactly that move...and scooped up both the valuables and soldiers in one fell swoop, and impressed them into his own army.
So testosterone is great and all, but it rarely prevails over brains.
That was Western Rome, by the way. Eastern Rome - Byzantium - persisted another thousand years. Until Constantinople finally fell at the hands of the Turks. Who had gunpowder and cannons.
Again. Paradigms. Big changes.
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Allow me to retort -
Jun 4, 2021, 9:01 AM
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Too Long, Enjoyed the read.
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Re: Allow me to retort -
Jun 4, 2021, 9:37 AM
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Appreciate it.
The grunting reactionaries aren't going to like this but...
...this is actually kind of turning into a woman's world, some ways. The US Army doesn't really need GI Joe, or certainly not as many of him. They need GI Jane-with-two-moms. Again, logistics, paradigms.
Yeah, the US Army and Marines are always going to be on some levels, boots on the ground, blood in the mud. To an extent. We're always going to need some rapid-response Special Forces types, point-of-the-spear types. And ours are the best...SEAL's, Marine Recon, Army Rangers...who can whoop those Chinese and Russian dudes tails just fine, I promise. But we need maybe 100K of those guys, if that. It's just not numbers-intensive anymore...it's quality, not quantity, now.
After that, it's going to be push-button warfare. Drones, especially. And the kind of people you want controlling those, you don't want to be a bunch of c0cks-out, dumb-a$$ed, trigger-happy, beer-swilling Broski-type dudes with no judgment. No, you want girls. Restrained, detailed-oriented, meticulous, cautious, letter-of-the-law, rules-of-engagement-must-be-obeyed-at-all-costs girls, who are never, ever, ever going to take the shot unless they're 100% sure, who are going to scrutinize and scrutinize and scrutinize some more, who are going to obsess over their briefs and crunch the intel and and study and study and study some more, and make absolutely, 100% certain they are not launching that Hellfire rocket into an indigenous village but an actual Taliban camp, because that is a call you just cannot get wrong, and if we're going to conduct warfare-by-drone and execute people by proxy, we'd durn well better make sure we're getting it right...and even then we're likely to make some mistakes.
Basically, what you're looking for, are those OCD-type girls who tracked down Bin Laden, because you just can't hide from them. They notice the details. They notice what people are wearing. They notice how people are interacting. They notice the finer points because women just naturally tend to be better at that kind of stuff than men are. (It's exactly why I think women tend to make better detectives than men, for instance, which more and more police departments are starting to realize.)
So our armed forces are just not recruiting the same personnel we were recruiting in 1945, or even 1990. We are looking for an entirely different personnel profile, with a heavy, heavy emphasis on logistics and technical ability. And brawn is increasingly almost incidental.
They know what they're doing, with that recruiting video.
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All-In [42169]
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It has to be said pretty bluntly.
Jun 4, 2021, 9:01 AM
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There's a lot of idiocy to having a problem with this video, the marketing tactics behind it, and the criticism of the woman in it.
Idiocy.
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Celtic Holocaust episode of the Hardcore History podcast
Jun 4, 2021, 12:44 PM
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Dan Carlin lays it out there with the typical Hardcore History panache. Roman brains allowed smaller Roman armies and Julius Caesar to practically obliterate Celtic culture and enslave much of Europe.
By far my favorite episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT92zx790c4
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Re: I weep for American and the Army
Jun 4, 2021, 2:15 PM
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First off, Evie Magazine is Q-stuff.
https://medium.com/bigger-picture/behind-the-scenes-of-an-unbiased-womens-magazine-dangerous-conspiracy-theories-disinformation-e7aa7c6b3af5
Second off, the idea that "conservative" women are somehow mentally healthier than liberal ones is flat bullsh!t. I have seen firsthand that sexual abuse in Southern families - particularly religious ones - is both widespread and rampant...and not talked about. There is a rather large variety of stuff that simply doesn't get talked about with conservatives, in fact.
So save it. Controlling women and objectifying them is not the same as having them be "happy", much as you'd love it if that were true.
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Re: I weep for American and the Army
Jun 4, 2021, 2:19 PM
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Again, China/Russia are overcompensating
Jun 4, 2021, 4:57 PM
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definition of overcompensating for those that need it (which apparently many of you do):
overcompensating: characterized by taking excessive measures in attempting to correct or make amends for an error, weakness, or problem.
In fact, you could probably argue the American one is overcompensating too, because of the perceived current image of our military culture (which some of you clearly endorse).
The fact a few of you can't see past the propaganda to the reality of what these videos are signaling is worrisome for so many different reasons.
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Re: Again, China/Russia are overcompensating
Jun 4, 2021, 5:30 PM
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And the fact that they think they are just awesome...wow.
Lordy. But no, Americans in no way respond to totalitarian propaganda.
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Re: Again, China/Russia are overcompensating
Jun 4, 2021, 5:55 PM
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Not yet. They're going to try to spam us with light surface combatants and get their missile ratio up.
The numbers are still in our favor, though at the rate they're building, that won't be true forever.
The big thing to worry about is China moving on Taiwan. They really want to. We really want to make that impossible. Xi's trying to make that the cornerpiece of his legacy; we need to continue to make blocking moves so he effectively cannot. Basically, think Cold War Redux: there comes a point beyond which the Chinese cannot escalate further and must stand down because they cannot sustain their continued buildup, so if they can't attain theater superiority, ultimately, they have to abandon the game.
We know their end game, we just have to make sure they never achieve it.
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Agree we aren't the ones overcompensating.
Jun 4, 2021, 6:26 PM
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The world understands how powerful we are, but China and Russia have more to prove. Especially Russia. They are a poor country whose entire existence (Post WW2) has been built around projecting strength and hiding weakness (mainly through propaganda).
This is all pretty moot as the chances of a conventional war being fought anytime between any of these countries are pretty low (which is why you see Russia fighting to destabilize the US through election interference and misinformation). China, the US, and the West are too tied together economically to see any direct action taken between countries. The use of proxies could potentially see direct actions (namely, Taiwan) but for now I don't see anyone wanting to rock the economic boat by doing anything stupid. That could change in the future, but it won't be before China expands to dominate the world economy and their military still needs to modernize.
One quick point about nukes is that from what I've read/heard both the US and Russia have enough nuclear weapons to blow the world up 11 times, so I don't think having "more" nukes matters anymore. This is also why a conventional war is less likely to occur.
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Re: Agree we aren't the ones overcompensating.
Jun 4, 2021, 6:41 PM
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Yep, and I think without globalization of economics
Jun 4, 2021, 7:22 PM
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and nuclear weapons (along with NATO/UN) we would surely have had a 3rd world war (and if we ever do end up having a WW3, we are pretty much screwed). So, hopefully, those false alarms continue to ring false.
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