Re: uh, scu has only had like one recruiting class that was...

Our recruiting started to get better under Bowden, and under Dabo we have consistently been in the top 10-15 in recruiting. We have the players, we just have a bad culture at Clemson now. It takes attitude to be physical. Not one single Clemson player went to defend Ellington when Swearinger taunted him after he made the tackle. When your teammates won't defend you when something like that happens, then the team as whole lacks the guts to be an elite team.

Clemson has lost that rough em up attitude that we used to have. We have fans that sell their tickets to shamecock fans. We have fans that think the Clemson vs SCU game is a family reunion and that they should bring along all their shamecock cousins, uncles, aunts, in-laws, and so on and so forth. We have a fan base that has allowed itself to be hoodwinked by President Barker for over ten years.

Our University President is soft, our AD is soft, our fans are soft. That in turn leads to soft coaches and soft players. Clemson will not be an elite team until the culture is changed back to what it used to be.

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Nov 27, 2012, 6:43 AM [ in reply to We have been recruiting good for about 10 years now…. ]

Clemson for over 40 years since my graduation in 1969; however, just by reading TigerNet and viewing our teams' history over those years, I know there is a different culture now. I can't say it's bad, but attitudes about the nature of our success, the ACC, our competition, our rivalry seem different. For example, during my years there most people gave the ACC the cold shoulder, because we knew it stunk even then. We won the ACC title three of my four years, and it was hardly a blip on the screen. The S.C. game was the end-all each year...even the possibility of bowls didn't take precedence over the rivalry. Frank Howard lost four-in-a-row to Rex Enright at S.C. in the early 50's and was paid a nasty visit from Clemson alumni, and (according to multiple sources while I was there) was told: "Lose the fifth...and you'll be run out on a rail!" He won the next three! The coaching staff was fair, yet brutally tough about discipline, training, individual performance. They weren't friends with team members nor did they make excuses for losses. Students, for the most part, looked forward to games and generally stayed throughout...if a freshman, most had no choice but attend and remain!

Blah, blah, blah...I know it's a different era; things change. The fortunate thing for me, however, is the number of posts I read that show the same, determined fighting spirit I remember nearly 50 years ago. What I, also, know is that change is often effected when people rise and speak out...something that we all may wish to reflect upon....

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uh, scu has only had like one recruiting class that was...