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Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 11:10 AM
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The NIL and portal. If the NCAA can screw things up, they do it. Time that sorry bunch needs to be disband.
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WOW! What brought you to that conclusion?***
Dec 5, 2022, 11:14 AM
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 11:16 AM
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So the key workers being paid their value and having their own agency is ruining it? Sounds like it needed ruining then.
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 11:34 AM
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They're not workers. They're supposed to be students with a hobby.
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 11:58 AM
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Then get coaches who are paid millions of dollar out of the picture. And multi-million dollar football ops buildings, practice fields, stadiums, etc... out of the picture. Let's let TV deals go. After all it's not a business, it's a hobby.
Quit lying to yourself. It stopped being a "hobby" decades ago. The players are the backbone of a billion dollar industry. They're workers, not students with a "hobby".
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 5:20 PM
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So if you don’t pay players, you shouldn’t provide them with the best facilities and coaches? I don’t follow. So paid players deserve good facilities and coaches, but unpaid players don’t? Huh?
Don’t try to spin this to be about fairness because it isn’t fair at all. Just compare NIL deals among Clemson players. Only a handful of players in CFB make big money and they get it before they have done anything to earn it.
CFB is becoming a contest to see which schools produce the stupidest rich people. If Harvard or Princeton wanted to move up and totally dominate CFB they could do it in a year or two. Everybody else would just have take it. Fortunately their rich people aren’t crazy.
Lastly I would say that NIL enhances the devastating impact sports have on communities of color. Little kids are convinced that they are going to be pros so they don’t care about anything else. Go to a middle school career day and talk to the kids.
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 1:08 PM
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They're not workers. They're supposed to be students with a hobby.
Reminds me of the South Park episode with Cartman meeting with a school president to understand how to make millions not paying workers or allowing them to leave by calling them "student athletes".
https://youtu.be/IWoP81YO3V4
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Trey and Matt nailed it.
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They didn’t come here to play school
Dec 5, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Go walk on and see how much of a hobby it is.
Mat drills at 5 am and you’ll be lucky to be done with study hall by 8:30 PM.
Get a clue
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Dabo is 100% right about this!
Dec 5, 2022, 4:49 PM
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Less than 2% of these kids will ever play in the NFL. And the average NFL career is about five years or less. If these kids aren’t taking school seriously, they’re not only hurting themselves, but their current family and future generations. Because the way out of poverty is an education. And for the vast majority of these kids they’re the first person in their family to go to college. And that’s regardless of race.
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CU Guru [1991]
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Re: Dabo is 100% right about this!
Dec 5, 2022, 4:54 PM
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All that is absolutely true. But it doesn't make the other comments on the business of football, untrue.
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Freshman [-99]
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Please be specific.
Dec 5, 2022, 4:57 PM
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Because what these people are saying is not correct. And as you said what I wrote is 100% true. So please be specific on what you think I’m getting wrong or missing.
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 2:51 PM
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students who got free education, unlimited tutors, all the free food you could want, and stipends for all the designer clothes you wanted. I suddenly remember why I quit watching sports for a while.
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Freshman [-99]
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That’s a load of crap
Dec 5, 2022, 1:19 PM
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First, they were already getting well compensated. Second, they are not employees nor workers. Third there is no market for their services. There is no free market for college athletes. Roughly 2% of college athletes ever play professionally. Most of these guys would be slinging crack or working hourly jobs if not in college getting a free education and a hell of a lot of other benefits!
College athletes are not even remotely exploited, which is another stupid argument by people on the left.
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They’d be smoking crack
Dec 5, 2022, 2:37 PM
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You’re one racist old man
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Re: They’d be smoking crack
Dec 5, 2022, 2:52 PM
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idk, given the short documentaries ESPN puts out it seems like no kid would ever get out if it weren't for football.
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Re: They’d be smoking crack
Dec 5, 2022, 3:07 PM
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Oh yeah everyone is a rascist...most would play the game for free...yet these spoiled pothead have to paid so they not exploited...do think that there have been circumstances where the NCAA rules were draconian and should have been altered but now the baby has gone out with the bathwater...next the trial lawyers will have to sue! Why does the NCAA insure that these are student athletes not just con artists with a MJ habit!
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Freshman [-99]
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LMAO!
Dec 5, 2022, 4:46 PM
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First, I’m not old
Second, how exactly am I a racist?
Most Walkons are white. Almost all of them. They go through everything scholarship players go through. Middle-class white parents don’t send their children off to be exploited. And pay for it!
Third, what did I factually get wrong?
Ask anyone that was at Clemson in the 70s and 80s what football players used to go through. College players today don’t practice anywhere close to as hard or deal with nearly as much BS as kids in the past. Yet they have infinitely better resources and facilities including healthcare and every other resource imaginable. And they’re better compensated with stipends and other extra incentives. Yet no one in the 70s and 80s was saying college players are being exploited. This is woke BS!
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College football wasn’t nearly the empire then that it is now.
Dec 5, 2022, 4:53 PM
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Danny Ford made under $200,000 a year here in 1989. Dabo makes over $10 million a year. That significant difference isn’t due to inflation.
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Freshman [-99]
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I understand that. I know Ford I was in school then.
Dec 5, 2022, 5:04 PM
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My two best friends growing up played for Danny Ford as would I had it not been for a car accident.
Players back then worked infinitely harder than these kids today, but had none of the benefits these kids are getting. So they practice and work less, but are actually getting paid and compensated a hundred fold.
So if kids were not exploited back then how exactly are they being exploited now?
You and I both know they are not being exploited. It’s simply a perception issue because we’re dealing with a woke media that loves victimizing anyone they can for votes. Because they don’t care about these kids just like they don’t care about women or people of color or children. All they care about is lying to people manipulating them For their own selfish power and control!
And again, middle class white people don’t pay $35,000 a year for their children to go off to college to be exploited!
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Re: They’d be smoking crack
Dec 5, 2022, 5:15 PM
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If the first thing you think of when you see the word "crack" is race, then maybe you are the one who is a racist.
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Re: That’s a load of crap
Dec 5, 2022, 3:09 PM
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There is no market for their services? The multi-million dollar deals to watch them play would disagree with that.
Most of these guys would be slinging crack
Lol you're a trash can human being.
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You’re clearly not very bright.
Dec 5, 2022, 4:55 PM
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First, the very large deals are only for a tiny tiny tiny sliver of percentage of players. And it’s the same players that will make it to the NFL. Less than 2% of all college football players ever make it to the NFL. And only a tiny percentage, under5%, get any decent money from NIL.
Clearly, you never took an economics class or understand how markets work.
This is what idiots like you on the left do. You take some tiny exception to the rule, and you think that that is how everything should be determined and dictated. Policies should never be made based on microscopic percentages of people. You make policies that helps the vast overwhelming majority of the public. you’re talking about tiny percentages of tiny percentages. You’re talking about less than 5% of a group that is already less than 2%.
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Re: You’re clearly not very bright.
Dec 5, 2022, 5:40 PM
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I don't understand economics? You're the one that claimed there's no market for the backbone of a billion dollar industry. The fact that players are getting paid NIL, many of them, suggests there is in fact a market.
TAMU and Miami Boosters: Pay several million dollars for recruits that have literally never played a snap.
You: ThErE's No MaRkEt FoR cOlLeGe FoOtBaLl PlAyErS.
Are players who are bigger names going to make more? Sure. Does that mean other's aren't? Absolutely not. You're an idiot. It's like saying there isn't a market for gig musicians because only 0.1% of them become grammy award winning artists. You have no idea what you're talking about.
This is what idiots like you on the left do. You take some tiny exception to the rule, and you think that that is how everything should be determined and dictated.
What the hell are you going on about? NIL benefits every player. Every single player is now eligible to profit off of their likeness. It hurts precisely 0 of them. As does the portal. It gives them agency and imparts responsibility to their actions. And it applies to 100% of the players. Every single one of them. The only people who "lose" in this scenario are ####### fans like you who think you're owed something from any of these players and know what's best for them.
Policies should never be made based on microscopic percentages of people. You make policies that helps the vast overwhelming majority of the public.
Now that we can agree on. Policies like accessible and affordable healthcare and education that help the majority of the people. Policies like strong social security nets to support the welfare of the general populace. Policies like strong workers rights to support fair pay, safe working conditions, and worker protections. Those policies that help the average everyday person are what we should be fighting for. You're clearly on board with those kind of policies that help people right?
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Re: That’s a load of crap
Dec 5, 2022, 4:58 PM
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So if someone believes the old system of football to now be out of date with the business realities and free market life in general, that person is a leftist....lol...? Dumb
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You would have to be because you don’t understand economics otherwise
Dec 5, 2022, 5:07 PM
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And it’s not BS. These kids today are compensated and they’re given definitely more than kids in the past who worked way harder.
There is no free market alternative for these kids. Again, less than 2% will ever see the NFL. How are they being exploited?
I love people that try and argue against me, and all you do is talk BS. I am giving very specific explanations, and all people do is attack me but not counter my real economic explanation.
So please why do you attack me be specific about how I’m wrong. From an economic standpoint how am I wrong? Exactly how are these kids being exploited? Exactly what is the market alternative?
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You can call it fair, just, about time, etc
Dec 5, 2022, 5:09 PM
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But its still going to ruin it.
NFL should have to create their own minor league and let us have the baseball model for those that want college football.
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I'll add: stubborness
Dec 5, 2022, 11:17 AM
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That is when you lose to your rival while sitting immense talent on the sidelines. Stubbornness put a damper on our season; not the portal, the NCAA, nor NIL.
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Re: I'll add: stubborness
Dec 5, 2022, 11:35 AM
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Keep dreamin. North Carolina has one of the worst defenses in NCAA football. Even with Klubachik, SC would still have beaten y'all. There's always next year. 
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Re: I'll add: stubborness
Dec 5, 2022, 1:13 PM
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Wut? Wo the last fumble we would have won. Would have been easy to get 20 yards and kick it. And that’s with DJ. With Cade would not have been close.
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...after much consideration?...***
Dec 5, 2022, 11:22 AM
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In fairness, the NCAA didn't "screw-up" NIL...
Dec 5, 2022, 11:29 AM
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they effectively did nothing which then opened the door for politicians to screw it up. It was a result of the NCAA's inactions rather than their direct actions. Now that the horse is out of the barn, there'll be no getting it back in. The only hope is that it gets regulated/monitored more closely.
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They fought against it...
Dec 5, 2022, 11:31 AM
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and lost. Nothing they could do.
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Totally agree. I think they did this on purpose to
Dec 5, 2022, 1:14 PM
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cause chaos and say "see, we told you so."
These issues could have been handled reasonably and responsibly, but they weren't.
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 2:26 PM
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Well, let's be fair. The court system gave the players their rights to work where they want and to be paid for such. So that is not on the NCAA.
Having said that, they were totally unprepared to set up systems that would not lead to corruption and tear football apart - their failure to do that is on them.
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Freshman [-99]
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The courts did.
Dec 5, 2022, 5:12 PM
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But they also got this one very very wrong! Because there is no free market for these players services. There is no alternative to the NFL. They are some other goofy little leagues but players make less than $100,000 a year it’s not remotely the same as the NFL. And again even when you count those players you’re still talking about less than 3% of players ever making a dollar as a player outside of college.
There is no free market for these kids. Call Jack Lennix is a form of monopoly. There’s high school, college, and professional athletics. But only a tiny percentage of high school players become college players, and an even smaller percentage of college players become professionals. There is no other market. That’s why they should value the education. Because otherwise, they’re gonna be working hourly jobs.
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 2:38 PM
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No, just NIL
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 2:44 PM
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NCAA & ESPiN
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You do understand the NCAA vehemently opposed both, right?
Dec 5, 2022, 2:54 PM
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Both were forced onto the NCAA by courts.
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NCAA agreed to the transfer portal. They set it up.***
Dec 5, 2022, 5:14 PM
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Clickbait and whineasz fans on Tnet?***
Dec 5, 2022, 5:15 PM
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 5:20 PM
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I don’t think we would have needed NIL if the NCAA weren’t so inconsistent in how they police the rules. They were happy to make money on the names of amateurs, yet prevented the most harmless enrichment for them. School presidents allowed the NCAA to run seemingly unchecked. Cracking down on number of recruiting phone calls, while booster involvement was rampant.
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Sorry, but you can blame our lawyered up society for this,
Dec 5, 2022, 5:46 PM
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the NCAA got taken to court, and lost cases about NIL. Same with transfers to some extent. So, once the courts took away much of their power, the NCAA just threw up their hands and said, "To Heyall with it, let the free market reign!" And, what you are seeing now it the result.
Unless and until some of this behind the scenes tampering is proven, the NCAA is powerless. I am sure they would institute some VERY severe penalties if they had ironclad proof of it. But, the Straw Man has gotten cagier over the years, and is almost uncatchable in this situation. Too many ways to subvert it using high school coaches, family members, etc as intermediaries, which the NCAA can't really touch.
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Re: Two things ruining college football
Dec 5, 2022, 5:56 PM
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I wish the courts would go ahead and call the age requirement for the NFL illegal age discrimination (which it is) and get it over with so college sports can go back to being kids that can actually get into college playing against each other.
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After he "retired" Woody Hayes at the GVL Touchdown Club....
Dec 5, 2022, 5:56 PM
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said the two things ruining football were passing and women.
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Re: After he "retired" Woody Hayes at the GVL Touchdown Club....
Dec 5, 2022, 11:38 PM
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Nothing s going to change. The big school will still do better. Just like they have over the last 30 years. Yes some kids will move around. But TCU is not going to make the cut.
Also, you notice how ever team wins 6 games? You just have to schedule right. This is a business always has been. Lose 5 and ad revenue and ticket sales go down.
I do agree with many on this board that it's not the product it once was. Maybe we should just make a super league and a tier 2 league. Like they do in Europe for soccer. I mean futbol
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