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FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 9:57 AM
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https://southcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/dabo-vs-muschamp.113276/
Who will be more successful over the next 5 years? Comparing coaches has always been intriguing to me. I'm talking about everything from wins/losses, recruiting, building/maintaining a standard of excellence, etc. Who is a more knowledgable coach? Who would you rather have as a program leader? I am leaning a little towards Muschamp because I think he probably knows the game better and he seems like an incredibly hard worker. Any thoughts?
So, a coach that failed at Florida is supposed succeed at USuC ?
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They have a new name, SEC Carolina.***
Dec 23, 2015, 9:58 AM
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I believe some of those FGF-r's R smoking a Crack Pipe!
Dec 23, 2015, 10:02 AM
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Maybe borrowed from their SEC-Ole Miss kinfolk!
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My favorite post so far
Dec 23, 2015, 10:03 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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I can't talk.
Dec 23, 2015, 10:03 AM
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I would have chosen Dabo over SOS no matter what.
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They are the dumbest fan base in all of sports...
Dec 23, 2015, 10:07 AM
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The AD drops the ball, misses out on his first five choices, hires the last loser left that nobody else wanted, and now he's the Savior. I've heard it all.
The few gamecock friends I have with any sense are completely embarrassed by Muschamp.
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They've outdone themselves with this one
Dec 23, 2015, 10:11 AM
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Every time I think the idiocy can't get any worse, they do their best to prove me wrong.
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The case for Muschamp ....***
Dec 23, 2015, 10:14 AM
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BTW facts don't lie!***
Dec 23, 2015, 10:15 AM
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 10:21 AM
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I used to love going through their page, laughing at their delusion and pain. However I've found myself not really caring lately. I opened the link, rolled my eyes and sighed. Maybe it's because they're a 3 win team talking smack about an undefeated, #1 ranked team. Maybe it's because literally nothing they say is grounded in reality. Either way, I don't really care. Not trying to jump on your post and say don't post about them, I've posted many times about them. It's just their delusion has gotten worse and it's almost annoying.
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Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
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but his track record is that he sacrifices offense for defense. Recruits that way, calls games that way etc. Heck he wanted to make Derrick Henry a linebacker. That aint the recipe for a head coach.
Its the flip side of the same coin of Chad Morris at SMU.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 10:39 AM
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that's even debatable. He led Auburn to 13th ranked defense in the SEC this season. Dabo had the insight to hire Venables. Not only Venables but Hobby, Brooks, Reed. Dabo put that defensive staff together, and as far as I am concerned they are the best defensive staff in college football
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 11:01 AM
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lol trying to argue Muschamp doesn't know defense because of one season after he took over a bad defense.
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trying to argue Boom will be better than Dabo in 5 years is too.
Dec 23, 2015, 11:04 AM
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Cause in 5 more years Dabo will have a few more ACC championships, hopefully a NC (this year or after), and several more 10 win seasons.
Meanwhile Boom will be struggling to get to 8 wins on a good year
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Re: trying to argue Boom will be better than Dabo in 5 years is too.
Dec 23, 2015, 11:06 AM
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You don't see me trying to argue Muschamp will be more successful than Dabo over the next five years.
Dabo already has a program performing at an elite level and competes in an easier conference. I have no doubt Dabo will have more wins and conference titles than Muschamp.
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I didn't say you were. Just the thread was arguing that.
Dec 23, 2015, 11:09 AM
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I agree that one can't really argue WM doesn't know defense cause he does. But it will be harder to create a top defense without a bunch of 4-5 star guys like Auburn and Florida.
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Re: I didn't say you were. Just the thread was arguing that.
Dec 23, 2015, 11:13 AM
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Of course it will be harder for him to have an elite defense at SC.
That comment just proves you guys have fans that are as illogical as that thread on FGF. We both have irrational fans.
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Your life must be pretty miserable.***
Dec 23, 2015, 2:05 PM
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Re: trying to argue Boom will be better than Dabo in 5 years is too.
Dec 23, 2015, 11:28 AM
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Muscrap will be darn lucky to win five games next year! Because of personnel losses I predict another losing season in 2017. I honestly do not see Boom getting great recruits until he has at least one winning season at USuck. Even the ESPIN "talking heads" acknowledge Dabo's success in making Clemson an elite program! What makes USC fans think he won't continue building his program.
Schedule wise the SEC east is no better right now than many conferences including the ACC. If Muscrap can't win at UF what makes chicken fans think his "talents" will produce in Cola., especially as USC was only somewhat successful with two HOF coaches. Even Holtz and OBS were only able to get to a single SEC championship in over a decade! Those who claim he has learned his lessons need only to look at his tirade at Allbarn this season to get a sense of who he remains. One would have been wise to have drawn conclusions before hiring him in the first place. Only time will tell.
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What
Dec 23, 2015, 1:16 PM
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> Even Holtz and OBS were only able to get to a single
> SEC championship in over a decade!
Uhh, when was that again?
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When they got destroyed by Auburn. He didn't say they win a
Dec 23, 2015, 3:42 PM
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SEC Championship, just that they made it fo Atlanta.
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Re: trying to argue Boom will be better than Dabo in 5 years is too.
Dec 23, 2015, 7:08 PM
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Competes in an easier conference? I'm sorry - can you tell me what team has been the equivalent of FSU in the SEC East for the last several years? And there are legit arguments to be made about other SEC-E teams vs. ACC-Atlantic teams. The SEC-E has been mediocre at best for several years now.
Call me when you get to the championship game & then we might have a discussion about which team has the bigger hill to climb.
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Re: trying to argue Boom will be better than Dabo in 5 years is too.
Dec 23, 2015, 10:26 PM
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Admittedly my first choice was Herman then I wanted Riley. But, I've been very impressed with Muschamp so far.
Will he be successful? I don't know. But he's exactly what we needed.
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I'm pulling for him. Thankfully, they didn't hurt
Dec 23, 2015, 10:31 PM
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Our strength of schedule, but going forward it could cost us.
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Re: trying to argue Boom will be better than Dabo in 5 years is too.
Dec 23, 2015, 11:54 PM
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> Dabo already has a program performing at an elite
> level and competes in an easier conference.
SC is in the SEC East, there is 1 Team in the Top 25 AP Poll from your side of the League. #19 Florida.
SC's permanent opponent from the West is aTm, they are unranked.
Clemson is in the ACC Atlantic, there are 2 Teams in the Top 10 of the AP Poll from our side of the League. #1 Clemson and #9 FSU.
GT is our permanent opponent from the Coastal, they are unranked.
Where is the SEC East better than the Acc Atlantic?
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Coot logic***
Dec 24, 2015, 12:33 AM
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Bahahahaha! Clemson was at an elite level when Dabo came?
Dec 24, 2015, 12:31 AM
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And the SEC East is how difficult to win? What's the best team from the SEC East in the last 3-5 years? And the 2nd best? And how do they compare to Clemson and FSU? Serious answers only. You guys crack me up. PLEASE respond with legit answers.
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All of Muschamps peers think that is a 3 and done coach
Dec 23, 2015, 11:08 AM
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They are still talking about how stupid of a hire it was as recently as yesterday on national sports talk radio. Coots are the ONLY ones that think that was a good hire.
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Re: All of Muschamps peers think that is a 3 and done coach
Dec 23, 2015, 11:11 AM
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Maybe he won't be. But I'm not going to pretend like my speculations are facts like you guys are doing.
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Re: You mean Auburn's D full of 4-5 stars that Ellis couldn't
Dec 23, 2015, 11:13 AM
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I'm not a fan of the Ellis Johnson hire.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 1:27 PM
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The talent on the Auburn defense is upper deck , and that's not debatable . They have recruited as well as anybody here recently ...so let's all muse at the idea that Muscan't didn't get anything out of those players ...or that he is not the godsend that you Dirtpeckers believe that he'll be.
Jacksonville State ( The real Gamekocks) took them to overtime , at home ...largely in part because the Aubie defense couldn't stop their weak , Div 2 scheme .
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 1:41 PM
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Look I'm not going to argue with you if you're really ignorant enough to argue last year at Auburn means Muschamp can't coach defense.
His defenses:
2009- 3
2010- 6
2011- 8
2012- 5
2013- 8
2014- 15
Carry on if you wish. But it's such an absurd argument I'm not going to waste my time.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 1:50 PM
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Wasn't his Auburn D like 90th?
Anyway, he can definitely coach D. No question there. I just wonder if he can get out of his own way with offense.
My prediction for scar is a losing season next year, and 7-8 wins in 2017. After that it depends on how muschamp has grown as a coach. Either they can't break through 7-9 wins or they have 10-11 win seasons.
I will leave this thought though: how did UF go from terrible to 11 wins with the players muschamp recruited but then didn't coach. To me, that means they didn't buy into his idea or his ideas just didn't work.
Time till tell! 
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 1:54 PM
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Can't edit so sorry about double post
Just looked it up and yes auburn was 90th in total D (good guess Chucktown).
And UF was 6th this year (one ahead of Clemson). This is further support for my claim outlined above.
Then again dabo supposedly couldn't coach and only recruit. So who knows.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 1:58 PM
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Most likely he was fired too early.
They went from 4-8 in 2013 to 7-5(would have been 8-5 if one of their games wasn't rained out) in 2014. That's positive progression.
Seems pretty reasonable they could have gone 4-8, 7-5 to 10-3 under Muschamp. Florida won on their defense. McElwain didn't come in and revolutionize their offense.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 2:03 PM
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Good points.
Muschamp always confused me at UF. He went from 7 wins to 11 to 4 to 7. No clear evidence of progression or regression. He also got a new OC in year 4 which probably didn't help.
But you're right, their offense was still terrible this year.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 2:04 PM
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Also, what's the consensus amongst yall: if BM comes in and learns the playbook, do you think he'd start over Nunez?
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 2:14 PM
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Who knows. I'm not going to pretend like I know what will happen.
After watching the highlight video of McIlwain, I'm not sure he really is that much more developed as a passer than Nunez.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 2:40 PM
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Cool. Thanks for the info. I mean it haha. Nice to have a rational conversation.
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Re: Muschamp might know defense better than Dabo
Dec 23, 2015, 1:52 PM
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LAST TIME I CHECKED DABO DOESNT COACH DEFENSE. HE HIRED A REALLY GOOD COACH TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PART.
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 10:37 AM
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Its crazy how much they really hate Dabo and feel like he is such a fake person. They always try to search for the most random things to bring up to try to back up their points.
Where was the discipline for Joe Craig?? Really?? You mean the guy that was suspended for 3 games because of an incident in which no charges were filed and no arrests made. Then kicked off the team after the 2nd incident??
Oh and god forbid he was upset about being pulled over by the cops when he was running late for an event. Wow.
Idiots.
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 10:42 AM
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I actually lost brain cells from reading this
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 10:44 AM
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Heard the same thing from a Gamecock friend about Spurrier just before the season started THIS YEAR.
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Re: I wonder what the average age is for that board.***
Dec 23, 2015, 10:49 AM
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Wait til Muschamp pops a blood vessel in his forehead...
Dec 23, 2015, 10:50 AM
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that will be entertaining.
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 11:04 AM
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Send me tmail if anyone knows of coots wanting to put money on that. I am always looking for a good investment .
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I just don't see how anyone who had Lou Spurriet as their
Dec 23, 2015, 11:05 AM
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Hc could ever say neg things about dabo.
No-one is perfect , every one has faults. Impressions are clearly subjective but dang.. compared to Steve Holtz, dabo is ghandi.
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Re: I just don't see how anyone who had Lou Spurriet as their
Dec 23, 2015, 11:21 AM
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Its really funny the things they say about Dabo ., He was a coach on the staff at their idol bammer
for 8 years ,., They think he don't coach or know offense ,., Dabo had his own offense ,. but wanted
the spread so he brought in Chad to teach it to him .,Coots judge a coach on weather other schools
try to hire him ., ., They are so stupid ,. most coaching offers are done in private ., Not like
them ,.,with coach of the week .,
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Re: I just don't see how anyone who had Lou Spurriet as their
Dec 23, 2015, 11:29 AM
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Coach of the Week . That's rich !
They whooped themselves into a frenzy over Herrman , then Kirby Smart , then this candidate and that candidate all sign elsewhere and suddenly the feeding frenzy has turned into a dumpster dive .
Coots , god bless their hearts .
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Coots require passports to take a reality trip******
Dec 23, 2015, 11:06 AM
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Same vein as the SCAR QB is better than Watson threads.
Dec 23, 2015, 11:50 AM
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Back in August there were several threads on that site that tried to rationalize all of their potential QBs being better than Watson.
We are now their measuring stick. Probably always have been.
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 11:53 AM
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At what point will they ever see their lameness? Really. They are an embarrassment to college football.
They despise Dabo because they are jealous. USuCk will NEVER be anything more than they have been for 100+ years; pathetic hind teat sucking losers.
No coach they ever hire will change that or ever make a difference.
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 12:09 PM
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I find all their ranting and feelings of superiority as quite foolish. Clemson started out as a very small land grant college and when we did start a football team as a small military college our tradition and beating them started immediately. Considering all of our games had to be played in the armpit of SC and we still maintained the lead in our rivalry says a lot. In comparison Clemson today is still a small university. But we have a higher caliber of students and athletes. Clemson doesn't take anything for granted but in each step aspire to become better in all aspects of college life whether it be a student studying engineering or an athlete, the Best is the standard. SC will never be more than their previous 120 year history has shown
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^^^^^^^^^***
Dec 23, 2015, 12:11 PM
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 1:17 PM
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I know this sounds nice, but if this were truly the case why is your basketball program struggling? Why has baseball never been able to win it all?
You guys hit the jackpot with Dabo being a great hire. He would have success at any school he coached.
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110%er [6876]
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Well, one has PROVEN it and the other has NOT! You....
Dec 23, 2015, 1:07 PM
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can "think" all you want to, but facts are facts.
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All-TigerNet [12505]
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I'd take Venables over Muscramp any day
Dec 23, 2015, 1:12 PM
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HTH
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Orange Blooded [2191]
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I just want to put this here, uscbeckham is the biggest puss
Dec 23, 2015, 1:34 PM
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y on that board. I know he reads this board, and you are a panzy ###.
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110%er [8203]
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That was as fun of a read as I've ever had on Tnet
Dec 23, 2015, 1:53 PM
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You can almost taste the despair and jealousy under a thin gravy of low expectations. And it tastes so sweet, so sweet indeed like saccharin in stale coffee.
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CU Guru [1832]
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FGF: Hours of hilarity
Dec 23, 2015, 1:56 PM
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Those guys are classic. Delusional through and through.
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Orange Blooded [4378]
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 2:03 PM
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I can't believe no one commented on this manafold gem:
It's not just Dabo VS Muschamp. No way ACC Clemson competes with SEC Carolina over the next five years.
4 Yesterday at 7:55 PM
Ha-ha. Just wow. I guess he forgot that sec USuCk is a bottom dwelling embarrassment to the sec that has never done anything but bring the value of that conference down. I mean, no way little ole acc clemson could ever compete with big ole sec shamecocks, right? Ha-ha.
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Head Coach [790]
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manafold has been breathing too many fumes***
Dec 23, 2015, 2:07 PM
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CU Guru [1143]
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did u see the one here?
Dec 23, 2015, 2:36 PM
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Comparing BB to Spurrier? We have our own Morgan's here too.
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CU Guru [1143]
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morons.
Dec 23, 2015, 2:37 PM
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Stupid iPhone
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CU Guru [1832]
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So he's trying to copy Dabo?
Dec 23, 2015, 3:22 PM
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But he's putting in people with no where near the caliber of our staff. Makes since.
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CU Guru [1832]
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Wrong thread***
Dec 23, 2015, 3:26 PM
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 9:18 PM
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I predict that the Musty Damp will greatly improve the USuC team -- some years they will win 6 games.
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Standout [321]
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 9:18 PM
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I predict that the Musty Damp will greatly improve the USuC team -- some years they will win 6 games.
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All-TigerNet [10901]
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You can say that again!***
Dec 24, 2015, 3:03 AM
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 10:00 PM
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I thought they said Musckrat was a bum and a bad hire just two weeks ago.....
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CU Medallion [51888]
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They did***
Dec 23, 2015, 10:31 PM
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GO TIGERS!!
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110%er [7555]
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Re: FGF idiot thread of the day
Dec 23, 2015, 11:18 PM
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all coots can do is wish in on hand and s**t in the other.....LOL.....Go Tigers!!!!!
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110%er [6042]
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Dayum...Its Scary as heck
Dec 24, 2015, 12:39 AM
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That We live in the same State with these Classless Bas*ards
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All-TigerNet [11188]
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I have to admit that I've rubber necked
Dec 24, 2015, 12:49 AM
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Over on fgf and it gets worse. Oh course, I thoroughly sanitized when I left. They are calling mustchump their saviour, and expect to run us over.
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