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All-In [27062]
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Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 10, 2022, 12:41 PM
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He just hasn't been a success. At best he kept us from falling into oblivion. At worst, he kept us from progressing to where we could have been at this point.
Brownell is Tommy Bowden.
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True, it is not like in Cliff Ellis'
Feb 10, 2022, 12:49 PM
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last year when teams were throwing up 100+ points on us.
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Yep. He's only a failure if your expectations were that we'd
Feb 10, 2022, 12:54 PM
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have parity with Duke/UNC at this point. And I think the folks that did were suffering a little too much from Dabo Fever. Moving our program to the next level competing for recruits against Duke, UNC, and Wake, not to mention the other regional SEC basketball powerhouses, is not going to be as easy as it was for us with football. There's no real differentiator that Clemson has to offer in terms of facilities, location, etc. like we have with football. UNC is basically clemson with its head stuck up its kiester (and no lake).
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Tell 'em u7c coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Feb 10, 2022, 1:32 PM
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Feb 10, 2022, 1:36 PM
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Tell 'em u7c coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Feb 10, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Re: Tell 'em u7c coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Feb 10, 2022, 2:40 PM
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You are the worst poster on this board.
Thus is a Clemson message board for Clemson discussion among fans....we all can't agree on everything and we have different opinions on our tigers...
However just calling ppl coots everytime someone says something you disagree without forming a opinion to add to the discussion is just immature and childish.
Grow up
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Thank you! It's that type of "hear no evil, see no evil"
Feb 10, 2022, 2:47 PM
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mentality with some diehards that would have put Ken Hatfield in the Ring of Honor.
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Re: Yep. He's only a failure if your expectations were that we'd
Feb 10, 2022, 2:52 PM
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Wake??? They are having a good year with a bunch of transfers. But to include them in your list of "next level" is just crazy! They had 6 wins last year and one tourney appearance the last decade.
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Okay that's a solid point. I guess I was thinking back to
Feb 10, 2022, 2:54 PM
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the Tim Duncan days. IGNORE WAKE.
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Re: Yep. He's only a failure if your expectations were that we'd
Feb 10, 2022, 6:08 PM
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The way OP had us trending we would be there, he wasn’t afraid of UNC or Duke and our teams played like they weren’t. BB teams don’t play with confidence, aggression or joy. To be fair they don’t play scared either they just play very middle of the road, which is what BB is, not bad, not good, just perfectly mediocre.
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Re: Yep. He's only a failure if your expectations were that we'd
Feb 23, 2022, 6:36 AM
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The way OP had us trending we would be there, he wasn’t afraid of UNC or Duke and our teams played like they weren’t. BB teams don’t play with confidence, aggression or joy. To be fair they don’t play scared either they just play very middle of the road, which is what BB is, not bad, not good, just perfectly mediocre.
Interesting you say that. I believe OP's teams were something like 2-17 vs Duke and unc. But at least those teams weren't scared! Who cares about the results of the game! It's all about whether your team played scared or not.
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Re: Yep. He's only a failure if your expectations were that we'd
Feb 23, 2022, 7:48 AM
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UNC and Duke were a lot better than they are now. UNC was top 5 every season and a National Championship caliber team when OP was at Clemson . This the worst six year run for UNC in a long time. Also, remember OP had to dig Clemson out of the Shyatt years for his first three years. Really only had about four years to work with.
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Bro I'd take Cliff over BB and it's not even close.
Feb 10, 2022, 4:24 PM
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Brad would have Dale Davis and Elden Campbell camped out at the top of the arc setting picks for a 20% three point shooter.
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Re: True, it is not like in Cliff Ellis'
Feb 10, 2022, 5:44 PM
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He did manage to beat UNC at UNC, so now we're 1-59 instead of 0-60 there.
So he's got that going for him.
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Re: True, it is not like in Cliff Ellis'
Feb 23, 2022, 8:29 AM
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Undefeated in Chapel Hill since 2019!
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Re: Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 10, 2022, 3:28 PM
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Not a ringing endorsement or the leader of a lynching mob type of response. Thank you
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Re: Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 10, 2022, 3:37 PM
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How can Wake hire Steve Forbes, a former East Tenn State Univ coach,
and in his 2nd year be one of the top 5 teams in the ACC?
Aren't our facilities equal to or better than Wake's? Is it the
attraction of a "big city" environment like Winston-Salem?
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Re: Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 10, 2022, 6:03 PM
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It's because he is good coach. Wake got lucky and Forbes hit the transfer portal quickly. That's all it takes.
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Good comparison but Tommy Bowden probably is a little better
Feb 10, 2022, 4:33 PM
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Tommy's record was 72-45 for 0.615 compared to Brad's 213-161 0.570.
This year, his 12th, he is right at 0.500 if we lose tonight he will be exactly.
Brownell as also been given so much more time and for what? This year?
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Re: Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 22, 2022, 10:01 PM
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No. B.B. is Tommy West.
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Re: Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 22, 2022, 11:02 PM
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I would place him one step above Tommy West . . but point taken.
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Re: Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 23, 2022, 1:26 AM
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He was a good hire at the time. He even showed some promise in year one. It fell off a cliff and we are trying to limp back to where we were.
I'm just not interested in hoping a guy can fight and claw his way back over a couple of decades...to get back to the point where he inherited the program. We can just get a new exciting guy. Maybe he fails, but maybe he's THE guy.
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Re: Brownell wasn't a failure.
Feb 23, 2022, 6:18 AM
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Average at best. Not sure who he is comparable to in football but whoever it is was average. Really can’t point to anything of any significance he has done besides being loyal. I expect to win one we shouldn’t and lose some we shouldn’t. Just the reality of his tenure.
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