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Rock Defender [65]
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Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 11:20 AM
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Consider the injuries. Consider the lackluster QB play. The youth, the dropped passes, the O line fiasco…..and Clemson was still two plays away from defeating Georgia and NCS. ACC championship.? We would’ve played Pitt again ….Picket-less and defeated them. That would’ve put us in the CFP even with one season loss to Pitt.
As bad as it was from the new Clemson perch of greatness, we were closer than most perceive.
Losing BV is big but Goodwin is a brainiac defensive guy that will give us continuity and Streeter can’t do any worse than Elliot. From a coaching standpoint I am not worried at all about 2022. I’d rather have Nick Eason than Bates and I for one am glad Caldwell retired. The O line coaching has long needed refreshing.
So for 2022 here is what I see…..
* Shipley emerges as a start. That kid has the guts and desire. RB room is impressive.
* Repeat of Kelly Bryant/Trevor Lawrence. Dabo plugs in Klubnik after DJ is unimpressive against GT early
* O line takes a step forward
* D line back on 8 cylinders
* Streeter pumps some new life into “at times” stale offense.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Pickett played in the ACC Championship game (remember the fake slide). I think he plays in the ACC Championship game regardless of the opponent.
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Rock Defender [65]
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 11:31 AM
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True. Apologies I was thinking of bowl game. Thanks
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 11:30 AM
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Tell me more about our WR’s?
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Im a Tiger, but Ga game was more like a 14 point loss.
Jan 11, 2022, 11:34 AM
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D was gassed at end and GA could have tacked on another TD. We were not gonna score again.
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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we could have scored 3 TDs with an accurate QB,we are the
Jan 11, 2022, 12:10 PM
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only team their offense didn't cross the goal line on
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Re: Im a Tiger, but Ga game was more like a 14 point loss.
Jan 11, 2022, 1:54 PM
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Yep. UGA could have easily tacked on 7 more points at the end of the game but showed a little class and just let the time run out.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 11:35 AM
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Poor QB play and injuries were the main culprit to an off year in my view
While staff turnover erases fan ‘comfort confidence’ it also rejuvenates the team energy
New guys proving themselves
They have proven themselves to Dabo in years leading up to this so it is just a matter of time for the fans to re-find that comfort confidence
Improved QB play and good health will put the us right back in the hunt
In our run leading up to this year we had unbelievable sustained health of the team
Let’s go repeat history next year!
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we were also closer to 6-6 than most perceive......
Jan 11, 2022, 11:35 AM
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-We'll see about QB
-HUGE upgrades/step-ups needed at the WR position......nowhere close to our 2015-2018 WRs.......IMO this is my biggest concern for next year. Lack of separation, lots of drops, lack of blocking, etc...this year.
-Define "step forward" for the Oline...........We seemingly hear that every year.
-Agree on defense........should be fine.
-Hopefully streeter can bring back the non-predictability, creativity, & tempo to the offense.
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Orange Blooded [4745]
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You cannot be serious. Yes, DJ struggled, but the real
Jan 11, 2022, 12:06 PM
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problem was the inability to keep our WRs free from injuries. The last half of the season we were players backup WRs and true freshman.
Our RB group was very good. The defense was very good.
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All-TigerNet [10360]
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i never questioned our RBs or defense.......
Jan 11, 2022, 1:26 PM
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our WRs, healthy or not are nowhere close to where they need to be to win/compete for a national title.............they aren't CLOSE to our WRs of 2015-2018............Maybe some step up in the off-season, but there is nobody close to any of the following:
higgins, renfrow, williams, Ross (pre injury), rodgers.......heck I'd even take trevion thompson over what I've seen from our WRs thus far on our team.
I'm more concerned with WRs than QB
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I never felt like we were going to lose any of the close
Jan 11, 2022, 1:43 PM
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... games we won.
In fact, I though that the final ,result of each of those games made them seem deceptively closer than they were in fact.
IMHO, we were much closer to beating NC State than we were to losing to Ga Tech, Syracuse, or Louisville, etc.
Guess it depends on whether your glass is half full or half empty.
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Re: I never felt like we were going to lose any of the close
Jan 11, 2022, 1:58 PM
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I don't think it's a glass half full or empty thing. It's putting aside bias and looking at it realistically. It's tough to see justification about how we "shoulda/woulda/coulda" gone 11-1/12-0 without turning around and giving a similar argument about us "shoulda/woulda/coulda" going 6-6/7-5. There were lots of PLUS and MINUS plays this year that could've changed the complexion/outcome of our games.
I personally think this season was a continued "slide" from our peak in 2018. Others disagree and we'll see how it all plays out over the next few years. I've just seen too many changes/variables in OUR TEAM and College Football to have me believe this was a "fluke" down year.
-The portal
-NIL
-our recruiting/lack there of
-offensive talent (especially at WR)........nowhere near what it needs to be or was from 2015-2018
-Offensive line
-playcalling.....nowhere near what it was 2015-2018. HOPEFULLY Streeter changes that
-QB play......I'm actually not as worried about this position as many on here are........the cumulative of the above items worry more MUCH more as far as clemson is concerned.
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110%er [6153]
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Right ... I don’t see any any way we should have been any
Jan 11, 2022, 3:25 PM
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... better than 10-3 ... maybe the NCSU game goes either way, but it’s not something I dwell on.
I look at this year as sort of a repeat of the Kelly Bryant year when we were competent, but not championship caliber.
Better QB/WR play would make a huge difference in 2022.
I really believe that OL can be really good if they can put the same 5 players on the field every game. I also think Thomas Austin might provide a breath of fresh enthusiasm.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 12:00 PM
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Receiving corps should be fine by spring. Stellato should be back. We misssd that go to slot receiver guy this year I think both Collins kids showed signs of promise. EJ Williams plus the two signees Antonio Williams and Adam Randall both 4 stars…..some good talent.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 12:05 PM
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yes we have some talent, but they need to show it on the field
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 12:03 PM
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I don't think you will see a Kelly/Trevor situation with Cade. He is too undersized. Short of him gaining 20lb between now and September I just don't see it.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 12:11 PM
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Stetson Bennett last night. 5’11” 185. National champion. Granted he didn’t set the world on fire but he played his part within a team sport.
CK is 6’3” 185. He’ll add 10 lbs by September. D Watson was shorter but a little heavier his frosh year Size is important to be sure but I’d never prejudge the kid this early cuz he’s 185.
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110%er [6153]
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He’ll definitely get bigger and stronger before next season
Jan 11, 2022, 3:43 PM
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... that’s pretty much a given for any high school kid arriving in January.
I’m more concerned with his becoming familiar with the playbook and adjusting to the speed of the game and other mental aspects.
Realizing that it’s not the popular outlook, I also think that DJ will be a much better player next year.
Either QB is going to have to have effective receivers though. We saw last night what happens to a Heisman winner when his receivers suddenly aren’t working out.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 12:05 PM
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I am being totally serious by saying that TL16 or DW4 behind center with this past season team, I believe we would have been a very strong competitive team the entire season, and in the playoffs, if we hadn't loss of some key players on the offense, and the defense. I think this past season could have been a Natty season for our Tigers for the 2021 FB season. Go Tigers!!!
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Re:Transition yr & bad luck: DW4 & TL wouldn't have saved us
Jan 11, 2022, 12:21 PM
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allinallorangeallthetime52®, not that it matters (since DW4 is still working on his massage ... eh, er message ... with respect to the lawsuit, and TL is off selling Subway subs in between getting his brains beaten out of him with the Jags), but neither DW4 nor TL would have saved us in 2021.
We probably would have beaten NC State and Pitt, but not so sure about UGA in the opener.
Our WRs and O-Line were simply not good enough for us to have been a top 8 team. We'd have gotten creamed in any big bowl; heck if IA State's Breece Hall and IA State's good LB (forgot his name) hadn't opted out of Cheez-It, then we'd have probably lost that game.
See how Bryce Young looked last night (with John Metchie and Jameson Williams out)? B.Young was still good, but key potential receptions were dropped; I believe that J.M. and J.W. absence is why Bama lost.
Back to DW4 and TL with the 2021 Clemson WR corp. Many of the key first downs and TDs which happened when M.Williams / H.Renfrow / T.Higgins / A.Rodgers / J.Leggett / T.Etienne made when DW4 and TL were tossing the ball to them don't happen with the 2021 WR Corp.
The QB can't catch his own passes ... even if that QB is DW4 or TL. That's all.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 2:05 PM
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And if Ga. Herschel Walker or Matt Stafford, they would have still killed us.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 12:06 PM
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That’s definitely the glass half full and I like that take. I’d prefer to tell everyone that version but 10-3 is for this team was a huge accomplishment for Dabo and company. In reality we were probably closer to 7-6 than (13-1,12-2). We almost lost quite a few more as well as we almost beat GA and NCST. Two things need to happen.
WR play has to get better.
QB has to get better.
Already saw much improvement from OL to believe it will be a significantly better baring injuries.
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biggest thing to consider is the lack of recruiting.hope
Jan 11, 2022, 12:08 PM
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that changes quick
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110%er [6153]
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We have a great recruiting class from a talent standpoint
Jan 11, 2022, 3:48 PM
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... we are about to accumulate the numbers we need to fill in around the edges and end up in the Top 15 at least by February.
The main difference in our class and the Top 10 is lack of numbers. We will fix that shortly.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 1:16 PM
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All that, but we need to worry about recruiting and the NIL now. It's going to be interesting moving forward.
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Re: Transition year and bad luck
Jan 11, 2022, 1:36 PM
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And what two plays are you referring to that would have beaten Georgia and NCS? And since you seem to think that those two plays could have made the difference ,maybe the fumble out of the end zone against Ga. Tech would have been recovered for a touchdown followed by a 2 point conversion sending that game into overtime. After all if you can change the scenario in a loss, why can't you change it in a win. And who knows maybe Pickett plays and has a Heisman performance in the ACCCG!
And maybe Alabama doesn't lose to A&M but loses to Georgia in the SECCG. You still have Michigan beating OSU and Cincinnati going undefeated.
Add to it, injuries are part of the game. Just ask Alabama at half-time last night.
And why was our quarterback play lackluster. Even Tony Elliott admitted that he didn't want to pull DJ#5 during the Syracuse game because he didn't want to "disrupt his rhythm". REALLY .
But then again Alabama( sorry to keep bringing them up) they lost to a former walk -on who left the team for a year and was listed as the 3rd string back-up. Sure would have loved having him for much of the season. Maybe he could have made that one or two plays to beat Georgia. He certainly did last night after turning the ball over deep in their own territory.
And bad luck hits every team. It's one of those intangibles you sometimes just can't account for.
As for 2022,don't sit and wait for Dabo to read what you might see. He has too many other armchair quarterback/coaches thinking they know it all.
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