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Transfer Portal
May 4, 2021, 10:46 PM
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I hope Coach Swinney rethinks his transfer portal view. Whether we like it or not, the game has changed with the new rules, and we may lose a chance to make the team better by not using the portal on principle. We have been beaten in the playoffs in the last two seasons by players from the portal. Coach Saban is a pretty good coach and he uses the portal to strengthen his team. He has had pretty good success.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 4, 2021, 11:35 PM
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You're right, it is changing. Even though this has been discussed from several angles, both pro and con.
I think Dabo will pull the trigger if the right situation arises. Have to consider why a kid is in the portal. Is it like the ones that left us? Not good enough to make 2 deep? Plus, and I agree, not going to bring a player in for 1 year when others behind have put their time in. .
Unexpected injuries where we have little to no depth, maybe. But I still think it takes a player that A, Dabo recruited and they fit our culture, and B, situation where said kid is not leaving because of disgruntled but a family situation, homesick, etc.
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Joe Burrow comes to mind when thinking of transfers
May 4, 2021, 11:55 PM
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and how they can benefit a program. There won't be many like him, but if and when they are available I hope Dabo will at least consider the portal an option.
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Justin Fields was another. But, two points to make.
May 5, 2021, 8:53 AM
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First, those are anomalies. The great majority of transfers make no huge impact. (Can anyone even tell me right off the top of the head where Jake Bentley played after leaving USuk?)
Second: In cases where transfers DO make a difference, those schools had not recruited well at the position. I don't think ANYONE could accuse Clemson of not recruiting well at the QB position.
Injuries are always the wild card. I believe Dabo is a realist. If he sees someone in the transfer portal that CAN ACTUALLY HELP CLEMSON, WHILE NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE CULTURE HE HAS WORKED SO HARD TO BUILD, he would make that move. But, the second part of the statement I just made should not be discounted. It will always be uppermost in Dabo's mind.
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Re: Justin Fields was another. But, two points to make.
May 5, 2021, 9:18 AM
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I agree 100%. My thinking is of it being used in a situation where we are short at a position due to injury or a portal transfer. In no way will Dabo think of using it in lieu of recruiting or to push existing players out of their chances to excel at Clemson.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 8:09 AM
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It is an interesting topic to discuss. So Dabo is the last coach since Bobby Bowden at FSU who has been able to elevate a non-blueblood program to elite status and maintain it over a number of years. Think about it. Every single player and football coach in the nation works crazy every single day yet not a single coach other than Dabo has been able to accomplish what he has over the last 40 years.
Even with Dabo's unprecedented success you believe he should do what everybody else is doing (the ones who have not been able to accomplish what he has accomplished) because based on your understanding and experience it is best for the program.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 9:04 AM
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I understand your argument and it has merit. However, the evolution of college football has progressed to allow free transfers. That wasn’t the case in 2008 when Dabo began as head coach. So a large segment of Dabo’s career lies outside of the current landscape. Thus, it’s irrelevant in the current scope of argument. You must adapt to the current situation instead of belittling someone for having an opinion. Again, your argument has merit, but also flaws. Let’s all circle this situation in more depth before criticizing using flawed logical arguments.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 10:30 AM
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I understand your argument and it has merit. However, the evolution of college football has progressed to allow free transfers. That wasn’t the case in 2008 when Dabo began as head coach. So a large segment of Dabo’s career lies outside of the current landscape. Thus, it’s irrelevant in the current scope of argument. You must adapt to the current situation instead of belittling someone for having an opinion. Again, your argument has merit, but also flaws. Let’s all circle this situation in more depth before criticizing using flawed logical arguments.
So you are saying the portal came into existence after a large chunk of Dabo's success. OK but for the guys with an opinion, did their success happen before or after the portal became mainstream? We
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 2:24 PM
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Careful Badkitty85. JStone 329 will belittle you next for simply expressing a credible opinion. He apparently is the holder of all knowledge and the only one with a view worth listening too.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 8:30 AM
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I love the argument that we have been beaten by transfers the last 2 years. So do you want to go on the record that you would have rather had Joe Burrow and Justin Fields, as opposed to Trevor Lawrence? You might want to drop that argument if you are going to lobby to use the portal.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 2:28 PM
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Of course not. We call that a strawman argument. That was not the point. LSU and Ohio State did not believe they had elite QBs so they went to the portal. Perhaps a DB or a LB who fit Clemson's cultures, etc. could have helped us the past two seasons. Do you deny that?
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Why do you think a coach who has been in
May 5, 2021, 8:56 AM
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The CFP 6 years and won 2 NC doesnt know what he is doing?
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That's not what he said at all.
May 5, 2021, 9:07 AM
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He said times are changing, and the portal rules are very different now than they were during Dabo's first Natty. No need to raise your Dabo shield; we're all well aware of what he's done lol. But the simple truth is this: when you lose players through the portal after your class is finished, and don't replace them, your team gets worse. Sometimes it's not bad, like when one of your 17 running backs leaves. But in a worse situation (like if your backup QB spot is freshman baseball draftees and walk-ons), the OP simply wants Dabo to reconsider when he said he wouldn't ever take a kid from the portal, because the portal rules are very different now from when he said that.
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Re: That's not what he said at all.
May 5, 2021, 10:35 AM
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A) Dabo never said that he wouldn't take anybody from the portal. B) Pearman was put in a position to monitor the portal. I think that it is pretty obvious that Dabo is considering the portal.
One thing that doesn't seem to be considered is when most of the opportunities with the portal occur. Generally, it is immediately after the previous season and we have a nearly full roster. Yes, we have some unexpected attrition, but it is generally planned for to an extent in our recruiting numbers.
Unlike most coaches, Dabo does not pull scholarships from kids that are under performing, provided they are doing the things off the field and in the classroom that they are suppose to. If the coaches missed it on the evaluation, he considers it on him. Therefore, manipulating the roster to make space for a transfer is more of an issue. To change that policy to adapt to the portal would change who he is and have other consequences. In my opinion, those consequences would negatively outweigh the benefits of anyone we might get.
Should the coaching staff, leave a spot or two open for potential transfers? Maybe. However, my guess is that is part of what Coach Pearman was put in the position to evaluate. Us taking someone from the transfer portal is not an emergency. If it takes a year or two for us to plan how to approach the portal then we will be fine with the recruits that we bring in. Generally 75% or more of those recruits will have a ranking higher than what we would pull from the portal.
Just because we have not used the portal, don't assume that Dabo and company have not assessed it. We don't know everything that happens behind the scenes, but we would be naive to think that our coaches are just sitting there idle. They have made a conscious decision to believe that there was nobody in the portal that was available when we had a need that would improve the program, and it is much more likely that they are correct than anybody on this board.
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Re: Why do you think a coach who has been in
May 5, 2021, 9:08 AM
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I think stating the original poster said “Dabo has no idea what he’s doing” is a bit dramatic. Really this entire conversation stems from the anxiety of our thin QB room, perhaps? Maybe I’m wrong. I have yet to see anyone say Dabo is so wrong and doesn’t know what he’s doing. Mostly all of us, including you, are probably wondering the long-term effects of this new transfer rule.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 10:21 AM
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I don't understand threads like this one anymore.
Dabo has already said that he will use the transfer portal at a position of need if there is a player available that is good enough to start for Clemson.
Every other day somebody makes a post like the OP saying Dabo better "keep up with the times" even after he has already stated that he is open to incoming transfers.
Along with that, Clemson also offers fewer high school recruits than almost every other school in the country for various reasons.
Knowing that about Clemson's high school recruiting, what makes people think that Dabo is going to be chasing every single semi-talented player who is looking to leave their current school?
Just like with high school recruiting, Dabo will be extremely selective.
I will also speculate that the next time (also being the first time) Dabo takes a player from the transfer portal, it will be somewhat of a shock because it will not be widely expected or publicized until the player makes the decision.
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 2:56 PM
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Dabo has always got a plan for the plan, of course like the rest of us covid caught us all by surprise.
Dabo has a plan & several layers of backup plans and most of his plans have been very good if not great.
I for got to mention 6 straight ACC Championships a football all time great record too.
Let’s go Tigers & strive for another National Championship!
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Re: Transfer Portal
May 5, 2021, 10:39 AM
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Something I just thought of, outside of injury and needing someone quickly, I feel like gaining from the transfer portal for top tier teams is tough. I know bama just got one, but its not terribly often a player of championship pedigree jumps in the portal.
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