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to all the Democrats running around like coots with

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:01 AM
 

their heads cut off:

* The notion that Trump Jr. or anyone else committed treason is facially absurd. Go read your Constitution.

* Yesterday I spoke with several colleagues who practice in the federal criminal area and who have been studying the recent events. To the extent it matters to you, these are liberal Democrats. To a man, each said that they have zero evidence that there has been a criminal violation of any United States Code. (as you will recall, also, one of the liberal Lounge brain trust in here could name any law which was broken either).

* My colleagues also opined that, if any charges are ever brought, they expect the crime to be lying to federal investigators. 18 U.S.C. § 1001. However, its impossible to know at this point because we don't know what, if anything, has been reported to the FBI.

* Now, I realize you have been reading the New York Times, the Washington Post, HuffPost, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc... and you have heard non-stop for the past year that Trump is Hitler incarnate and is an ignorant, xenophobic, racist, Billionaire/Bankrupt (depending on the context of the hit-piece), white privileged a$$hole #### bent on killing poor kids and further elevating the elite....and you very likely believe all of that. But, as much as you want it to be true, that doesn't mean there were any crimes committed with respect to Russia. Yesterday, I heard the word "collusion" in here repeatedly. Thats not a crime. If tomorrow, TheZxxxxx and phiTiger collude to assassinate President Ford, that is no crime as he's been quite dead for some time now.

Just because you hate this president, doesn't make everything he does an outrage nor does it make any actions by his campaign or associates with respect to Russia a crime. And, just as clearly, your hatred of this president does not negate the fact that you nominated the worst candidate of the modern era in Hillary. The Russians did not keep Hillary from ignoring WI, MI, and PA.

All that said, please keep at it. Our criminal system works for the most part. There are no crimes here - no actual violations of any Title 18 crime. Donald Trump is certainly open to attack on many fronts but Russia isn't one of them. Please keep crying about Russia. Maybe we'll get a few more Supreme Court justices approved along with some tax cuts. That will be enough to make this a success in my book.

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Short version:

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:11 AM
 

* B-b-but it's not illegal.

* B-b-but it's not illegal.

* B-b-but even if they did something illegal, we don't know for sure yet.

* B-b-but it's not illegal.

All that said, please keep at it. B-b-but it's not illegal. And anyway it's all worth it because Supreme Court.

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the whole premise of this is ridiculous

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:12 AM
 

he met with someone that said they had dirt on Hillary.

OH NOOOOOOO!!!

lol. stupid coots, err, i mean libs. It's getting sad about now.

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Re: the whole premise of this is ridiculous

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:25 AM
 

They (Libs) and the media will pay for this come election time. Once again. American public is tired of this and want jobs and wages to increase and terrorism to be thwarted. The rest is just ancillary.

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Good post

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:15 AM
 

I will opine that nobody in the public sphere has any knowledge of what information Mueller/FBI/Congress has. Blanket statements that there is no proof therefore there is no crime is premature and maybe somewhat naive. Let it all play out and we will see if there has been any wrongdoing.

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 4:13 PM
 

Stop being rational in here.

It's unseemly.

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This email chain is bad on its face. If the bar hadn't been

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:18 AM
 

lowered so dramatically already for acceptable conduct by this administration, there would be even more attention and coverage of this.

If the standard for acceptable behavior is whether or not something is illegal, we have greater problems than ever before in our political system.

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It use to just be a blowjobb and cigar in the anur.


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:22 AM
 

Miss those days. Sex scandals are nothing compared to this nightmare administration.

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:31 AM
 



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you're suggesting a standard other than the law?


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:37 AM
 

can you provide a concrete example of how such an unarticulated standard has been applied in the past?

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Surely you can't be serious. It's as if the last 8 years

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:38 AM
 

never happened.

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Uh oh. Someone's confused again.***

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:46 AM
 



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you can't name any violation of US Law


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:58 AM
 

and you can't even provide any concrete examples of wrongdoing. its fun watching you Democrats twist in the wind over this.

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Didn't we already have this conversation?

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:03 AM
 

Yes, yes we did.

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=21801136

Funnily enough, someone did tell you what crimes may have been committed, but you conveniently chose to ignore the post.

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=21800538

And lastly, as has already been pointed out, the law isn't the only standard used to judge people and their behavior. You either pretend not to understand this or are genuinely that dense.

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Re: Didn't we already have this conversation?


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:08 AM
 

i read that post. there is no identification of a crime.

as for dense, look in the mirror zxxxx. you can't articulate any wrong doing. zero concrete examples of your "non-crime" conduct.

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"Hey Don, you know how the Russians are trying to help

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:15 AM
 

your dad win the election?"

"Yeah, they're great aren't they?"

"Well this Russian chick has some very sensitive information on Hillary from the Russian government"

"Really? When can she meet? Will June work?"



Then he conveniently leaves this meeting out of his security clearance application as did Manafort and Kushner.

They amended to include it after the investigation had begun.


So while a decent attorney could make arguments that this wasn't technically illegal it looks bad on its face.

And it also blows up the narrative from the Trump campaign that they were unaware of Russian efforts to influence the election.





I guess the questions I'd like answers to is what would it take? What is the standard of evidence you would need to see to change your beliefs on this Russia thing and the investigation?

Is there a theoretical action or statement that if uncovered, would make you believe Trump and his team colluded with the Russians?

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Don't try to reason with the troll.


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:24 AM
 

He says there are "zero concrete examples of your 'non-crime' conduct" while at the same time agreeing that this is as bad as all the stuff Crooked Hillary and Sleazy Obama did. He's full of ####.

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Re: Don't try to reason with the troll.


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:32 AM
 

when did I call Obama Sleazy??

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Re: Didn't we already have this conversation?


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 4:16 PM
 

Criminal Conspiracy to influence a federal election. That is a crime.

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 4:40 PM
 



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Re: Didn't we already have this conversation?


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:09 AM
 

its time you put the pitchfork and torches down

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:14 AM
 



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Re: This email chain is bad on its face. If the bar hadn't been


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:00 AM
 

.

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Re: This email chain is bad on its face. If the bar hadn't been


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:01 AM
 

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my problem with this whole mess is...

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 9:44 AM
 

I dont know if anything that has been done is illegal...not my department. If it is, fine.

BUT, explain to me why this doesnt look like Clinton sleaze. Or Obama sleaze. I would love to hear it.

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Dude, show me ANYBODY who could get elected

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 11:00 AM
 

to the office of POTUS anymore without a TON of shid on their shoes. We've got the exact government we deserve at this stage in our country's history. You can't win this office anymore without being a scumbag on some level....period.

Not excusing Trump, just sort of shrugging my shoulders and acknowledging if it weren't him doing some BS it would be someone else doing alternate BS. I hope my kids never end up in a position to be President, because it means they've done some morally reprehensible stuff to get there.

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Here's one who could have beaten almost anyone except


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 12:25 PM
 

Obama:



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true, and I thought about him, but he made my point.


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 2:35 PM
 

Good man....didn't win.

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Just a whopper Nothing Burger with No There There sauce!

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:23 AM
 

Could be a new fad diet program to compete with the low carb diet.

Regarding your post - sounds like you are angry and hysterical? Check the mirror and verify your head is attached.

Historically it seems that about every 20 to 25 years, America elects a president who repeatedly lies - Nixon, Clinton and now Trump. Sometimes it is criminal, sometimes it is not. Time will tell.

BTW there are enough lawyers around that we all have family and friends who are in that profession. Legal opinions are as widely diversified as Clemson fan's opinions on who should be our starting QB in '17. Time will tell.

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Re: Just a whopper Nothing Burger with No There There sauce!


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:31 AM
 

if you think its hysterical to ask that before you accuse someone of being a criminal you have credible evidence of a crime? seems pretty commonsense to me.

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Donald Jr's INTENT was to meet with an official of a

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:39 AM
 

foreign govt. to gain dirt on a political opponent? The fact that this person wasn't part of the Russian Govt has no bearing on his intent.

Is that not against the law?

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Re: Donald Jr's INTENT was to meet with an official of a


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:51 AM
 

with inchoate offenses, the mens rea and actus rea can be very tricky.

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:55 AM
 



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Having stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, seems Jared might be


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 11:48 AM
 

making arrangements to spend a few nights with ole Subway Jared.

That acorn didn't fall far from the tree.

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Here is an article I saw this morning.

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 11:08 AM
 

I actually don't give a goshdarn. Sound likes its all up to Mueller's people anyway.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/did-donald-trump-jr-break-the-law/ar-BBEfN1D?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

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China probably influence the election more, heck they own


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:50 AM
 

hollywood and allot more

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Re: to all the Democrats running around like coots with


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 12:37 PM
 

if we were at war with russia, it would have been treason. If it had been NK, it would have been treason. it is not treason.

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Re: to all the Democrats running around like coots with

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Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 2:03 PM
 

" it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."


You have to remember. This is all the Dems have.

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Re: to all the Democrats running around like coots with


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 2:32 PM
 

"Just because you hate this president, doesn't make everything he does an outrage"

Im pretty sure starting in earnest since 1992, outrage / hate has been the standard emotion/opinion regarding the president if he wasn't the guy one voted for in the election .

Clinton, W, Obama, Trump - all outrageous administrations for roughly half the populace at any given time.

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Re: to all the Democrats running around like coots with


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:51 PM
 

^^This

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"facially absurd"


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 10:50 PM
 

I'm not sure about the relevance of what's "facially" absurd.

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Are you saying you are OK with


Posted: Jul 12, 2017, 11:04 PM
 

an American president collaborating with an authoritarian foreign government to subvert one of our elections and get elected?

I just can't believe the things Trump supporters say.

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